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[Matthew G]

Romans, Galatians and Hebrews would indicate that the law has been changed. The Lord Jesus is a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek; in the Old Testament the Levites were the priests; the ceremonial Sabbath is clearly not in force, neither are various dietary requirements, as per Peter's vision in Acts 10 & 11; the born again believer is under grace, etc.

Blessings.

Please get out of my head, farouk.

Peter's vision is exactly what I was thinking of. We can't call something unclean that God Himself has cleansed.

 

[farouk]

Please get out of my head, farouk.

Peter's vision is exactly what I was thinking of. We can't call something unclean that God Himself has cleansed.

I really love Galatians and Hebrews! they don't take long to read but they seem to provide a whole lot of guidance about issues of law and grace.

Blessings.

(PS: the discussions here and elsewhere about tattoos are I suppose at least obliquely related, though not necessarily so, I suppose.)

 

[Gary]

Matthew 5
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.


When Jesus stated that He came to fulfill, He was referencing prophecy. He came to fulfill prophecy, not do away with the law.

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[farouk]

Matthew 5
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

When Jesus stated that He came to fulfill, He was referencing prophecy. He came to fulfill prophecy, not do away with the law.

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...but there are many reasons why the question of the law has been changed, when reading the New Testament.

 

[Gary]

...but there are many reasons why the question of the law has been changed, when reading the New Testament.

The only thing that changed were the physical aspects. Jesus took the physical and made it spiritual.

 

[Kathi]

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says several times, “You have heard that it was said . . .” and follows it up with “But I tell you. . . .” Using the formula, Jesus creates a contrast between the Law of Moses (as interpreted by the Pharisees and scribes) and His own command. In doing this, Jesus is obviously claiming an authority greater than that of the scribes. But it also seems like He is negating the Law.

Rest assured, Jesus did not contradict the Law in any point. In the same sermon, Jesus makes sure no one misunderstood: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matthew 5:17).

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-and-the-Law.html#ixzz2rfIAzcHT

 

[farouk]

The only thing that changed were the physical aspects. Jesus took the physical and made it spiritual.

I don't regard this as an accurate statement, above, with respect;

Hebrews 7.11,12:

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Also: in Galatians 4.24,25 the old covenant is now linked with Sinai, Hagar and bondage.

 

[Gary]

I don't regard this as an accurate statement, above, with respect;

Hebrews 7.11,12:

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

That passage does not conflict with what I said.

 

[farouk]

Also, religious people who trust in law-keeping are linked in Galatians 5.12 with pagan self-mutilators. This may seem a strong statement by Paul, but for someone coming from his very strict, religious background it is notable.

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

... I see music as something very close to my beliefs. I use it to more or less motivate myself. .

questdriven: It's the lyrics that count far more than the style, right?

Although we definitely have our preferred styles...

Blessings.

 

[Rick W]

Paul also said the Law is upheld so we know what sin is. He didn't say we can sin because Christ died on the cross.

We can't escape accountability by putting a different face on sin. Cover it up, define it some other way or ignore it altogether it still remains.

 

[farouk]

The law is our schoolmaster (Galatians 3.24), to bring us to Christ. In the ancient world, the word there for schoolmaster - pedagogue - referred to the person that went to a fairly affluent household to collect the student and take him (usually was a him) to school: it's interesting that the pedagogue of conveying the young person to the place of learning. (An empire-building pedagogue who tried to magnifiy himself at the expense of the institution of learning to which he was to convey the student, would soon have been fired!) Kind of instructive as to the relationship between the law and the Christian. Some very conservative religious circles claim that the law is the rule of the believer's life. My two cents', in the light of New Testament evidence, is that it's the Gospel (encapsulating Christ as the end of the law for righteousness) that should play this role in the believer's life.

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

....if you are a drug addict do you get clean and then go out and do drugs all the while saying im clean?!

Romans 8 says that those who are under 'no condemnation' are those who 'walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit'. This is not meritorious, however; it is 'the obedience of faith'.

Blessings.

 

[jasoncran]

Romans 8 says that those who are under 'no condemnation' are those who 'walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit'. This is not meritorious, however; it is 'the obedience of faith'.

Blessings.

I understand that, my statement was in context of anothers appearance to teach sin all you want we are under grace. that said. how does one actually what sin until the bible or preacher or the spirit tells you?

 

[farouk]

I understand that, my statement was in context of anothers appearance to teach sin all you want we are under grace. that said. how does one actually what sin until the bible or preacher or the spirit tells you?

There does need to be a sensitivity to the conviction of the Spirit through the Word, yes.

Blessings.

 

[reba]

Does the word justification come to mind Jason?

 

[farouk]

Does the word justification come to mind Jason?

Justification is a judicial reckoning, made good by faith.

It's distinct from personal sanctification (even though in principle all believers are positionally set apart).

There are all sorts of links and distinctions, of course, when it comes to such doctrinal discussions.

Blessings.

 

[jasoncran]

Does the word justification come to mind Jason?

I believe in justification but we cant use that to justify sin. that said im also not an eternal security type. I wont derail into Calvinism and the limited free will arguments.if one has repented then one should bear fruit. sure we slip and fall away and rebel but if we don't return were we ever saved ? or did we walk away? I believe both can be the case

 

[farouk]

I believe in justification but we cant use that to justify sin. that said im also not an eternal security type. I wont derail into Calvinism and the limited free will arguments.if one has repented then one should bear fruit. sure we slip and fall away and rebel but if we don't return were we ever saved ? or did we walk away? I believe both can be the case

The question is, is there life in the first place if the person habitually pursues sin in unbelief?

 

[turnorburn]

Tatts = No.. Movies = No.. Television = No.. Music = Sometimes..

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