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Teach them the beauty of guns

Should Children be allowed to learn to shoot guns under adult supervision?

  • yes

    Votes: 14 66.7%

  • no

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • Total voters
    21
Edward said:
There you go brother. That sounds wise right there. Pick your battles carefully (if you can). Sometimes your hand can get forced.
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im trained in some of that. my guard training kicked in. mps are often alone with groups bigger then that. If I was in a cell and I saw the inmates getting up and had some evil looks. I would flee while hitting the alarm and come back with the right arms and numbers.
 
jasonc said:
View attachment 4782 from my gym's webpage. a good ideal when its not needed or needed. I was taught this years ago.
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nice. :)

...and from the notebooks of Lazarus Long: "Never frighten a little man...he'll kill you.

Being little doesn't necessarily mean an easy target nowadays. Look at bruce lee, he was skinny little guy.
 
Edward said:
nice. :)

...and from the notebooks of Lazarus Long: "Never frighten a little man...he'll kill you.

Being little doesn't necessarily mean an easy target nowadays. Look at bruce lee, he was skinny little guy.
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helios was over 90 in that pic.
 
jasonc said:
all martial arts from japan, china and korea and the phillipines weren't intended to be for self-defense they were for war! later on as gun powder enter the scene they then become what we know them today. ju=soft. jistu=fighting. what does the mean? a method of using the attackers own attack and body against him. it also has strikes. this isn't a sissy art. its mean to harm and kill if need be. most of the throws will cause some head damage if the attacker doesn't know how to take a fall. jujitsu it self has weapons in some systems. mine does . I haven't been trained on them. but its there. knife, bo, jo, sword and also if taught bow and arrow! most of the those are relics, but I can surely use them for all killing and taking a life.

how exactly does a defensive system have archery?
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Jason, some of those details seem a bit off. Not that I'm a martial arts historian, either, lol. You can't make a sweeping generalization that all those martial arts evolved (that word again) from war. Chinese MA began as breathing exercises for young Buddhist monks in the Shaolin Temple as a health initiative, as the grueling meditation sessions proved excessive for those of lesser physical stature. These mixed with indigenous Chinese fighting techniques to form the foundation for Kung Fu. The monks found the training invaluable for self-protection on journeys outside the temple, and as defense against rivalrous Imperial factions.

Karate originated in Okinawa (not yet part of Japan) as their interpretation of Chinese kung fu mixed with their indigenous fighting methods. The Japanese confiscated their weapons, so the Okinawans had to develop an unarmed system of self-defense deadly enough to be used against fully-armed Samurai. It was later exported to Japan early in the 20th century, where it was conferred "do" ("Way") status and stood beside more indigenous arts such as judo and kendo.

As far as those indigenous Japanese fighting systems, many did indeed evolve from war arts of the Samurai. They were originally called "jitsu" (meaning technique or method, not fighting). As the shogunate system unified the country bringing widespread peace, the fighting "jitsu" arts were transformed into the spiritual "do" arts. Thus jujitsu (soft method) became judo (soft way); kenjutsu (sword technique) became kendo (sword way); karate (empty hand) became karatedo (way of the empty hand).

Interestingly enough, modern karatedo (which I practice) shows little of its self-defense roots as you might see in an older, Okinawan karate system. Modern japanese karate is clearly a combat art, with an emphasis on kumite (matching) and ikken-hissatsu, or one-shot kills.

Hope I got most of that right (again, I'm not a historian).
 
KevinK said:
Jason, some of those details seem a bit off. Not that I'm a martial arts historian, either, lol. You can't make a sweeping generalization that all those martial arts evolved (that word again) from war. Chinese MA began as breathing exercises for young Buddhist monks in the Shaolin Temple as a health initiative, as the grueling meditation sessions proved excessive for those of lesser physical stature. These mixed with indigenous Chinese fighting techniques to form the foundation for Kung Fu. The monks found the training invaluable for self-protection on journeys outside the temple, and as defense against rivalrous Imperial factions.

Karate originated in Okinawa (not yet part of Japan) as their interpretation of Chinese kung fu mixed with their indigenous fighting methods. The Japanese confiscated their weapons, so the Okinawans had to develop an unarmed system of self-defense deadly enough to be used against fully-armed Samurai. It was later exported to Japan early in the 20th century, where it was conferred "do" ("Way") status and stood beside more indigenous arts such as judo and kendo.

As far as those indigenous Japanese fighting systems, many did indeed evolve from war arts of the Samurai. They were originally called "jitsu" (meaning technique or method, not fighting). As the shogunate system unified the country bringing widespread peace, the fighting "jitsu" arts were transformed into the spiritual "do" arts. Thus jujitsu (soft method) became judo (soft way); kenjutsu (sword technique) became kendo (sword way); karate (empty hand) became karatedo (way of the empty hand).

Interestingly enough, modern karatedo (which I practice) shows little of its self-defense roots as you might see in an older, Okinawan karate system. Modern japanese karate is clearly a combat art, with an emphasis on kumite (matching) and ikken-hissatsu, or one-shot kills.

Hope I got most of that right (again, I'm not a historian).
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read gichin funakoshi the founder of moderan Shotokan. he was a samurai first and did that first and has lineage, Chinese aren't taught much and I did those and remember that china like japan had monestary, Japan's samurai rose from Buddhist monks. tai chi, pa kua chan and choi li fut and others all have swords and offensive weapondry. they may not have started by warriors but the evolved into that.


I have do akido, its a way way different and softer then aikijitsu. which the later has attacks and is more aggressive.the former has atemis but those are really soft distractions and already where in use form its older form of the juijitsu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanō_Jigorō
pretty much what I said. judo was and is a part of jujitsu while most dojo teach its as a sport. bjj is basically a modified form of judo. it has the same throws but is better on the ground then judo. at least that is what I was told. I may ask medina since has both judo ranking in him and also bjj ranking.
 
karate-do comes from three villages, shurin, naha-te, and one other.

and it depends on what historian you read. kung-fu is a show art , wu-shu is the fighting art originally and now its switched. either way any art I have done its been as a warrior in battle.with one exception tai-chi, and some form of aikido.
 
Jason, it sounds like you've mixed in a lot of common martial arts myths that persist even in today's information highway. Of course I've read Funakoshi's biography. Karate, without the do, or just plain "te" (hand) came from those Okinawan villages (I'm half Okinawan, and my grandfather was a bushi warrior with a sword and the whole bit. Very similar to Funakoshi's backround.). The original kanji reading for kara was China. When it was spread to the Japanese mainland, the kanji was changed to "empty" (still read kara), implying the emptiness of Zen. Do was added so the art would be more accepted next to its more indigenous brethren (judo, aikido, kyudo, jodo, kendo, etc. which all came from Japanese bujutsu, later called bushido), although most people drop the "do" part. To say any "do" art came from Okinawa is a bit of a stretch.

The Samurai class did not arise from Buddhist monks in any way. The indigenous religion of the samurai was shinto (Way of the gods). As buddhism spread to Japan, the warrior class embraced one particular sect known as zen, as it prepared the warrior mentally for facing death (we have J.C. for that now). As the shogun government unified Japan and eliminated the need for warfare, the samurai used zen-breathed martial arts for spiritual development rather than actual fighting. As opposed to common belief, the official religion of the samurai was shinto, not buddhism.

Brazilian Jiu-jiutsu is based on Judo, predominantly ground-fighting, as you said.

I'm not sure what you're saying about k.f./wu-shu. The original fighting art in China was called kung fu (cant: gung-fu). The communist dictatorship suppressed all martial study out of fear of overthrow, but allowed a loophole in calling it wu-shu (lit. "martial arts") and designating a show form only. The term kung fu actually just means "achieved skill", and could technically mean any art in which a person has a high degree of skill in. (as it happens, I'm half Chinese also and studied traditional KF for 3-1/2 years). It that's what you were trying to say, then I agree with you.

As far as the Glock-fu, mine is fine, though I'm more of a Sig man (just can't get used to that grip angle).:lol
 
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I hold one of these.

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allenwynne said:
There is no beauty in guns.
And you can tell by the poll, mostly only gun lobby people are following this thread.
And soccer will not be in heaven.
It will be banned!
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Not in today's plastic fantastic guns, but some blue steel and walnut sure looks good. :yes
 
allenwynne said:
A nice and shiny nuclear bomb looks good too.
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I dunno, I never seen one up close. You have me confused now brother, before you sounded like you were against them, and now you sound like you have one on your mantle? Which is it? :lol
 
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