stovebolts
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So just to be clear my brother whom I respect. If I walked in on a man raping my daughter and I started beating him in a state of rage, I would no longer be a child of God or at the least, be beaten with many stripes?
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Then why are so many in here rejoicing?Just to be clear Free,
God does not rejoice in the destruction of the wicked.
Restraint is only for those Christians who have disciplined themselves. It is the flesh of man that cannot restrain the rage.StoveBolts said:When I look at this father, I see a man who is repulsed and is responding in rage. Such a thing should enrage a father.
The focus is not that a man was killed. The focus is on a man acting in rage from an atrocious and disturbing sexual act being performed on his 4 year old daughter. The cause of death was not premeditated, and so I do not fault the Father for responding with such a way. No parent should have to restrain themselves as they actively see their child being hurt. It is the primary role of a parent to protect their children.
How is his death justified? Are we under Mosaic Law? Are you God and able to pronounce such judgements, never mind being willing to carry out such judgement? God alone is judge and we are not to repay evil for evil or be overcome by evil.StoveBolts said:Is it sad that the man died. In a way yes, but what is sadder is the horrible act that he committed on this innocent child, and more than likely the children before him. From that perspective, I have zero pity on this man. Do not mistake my lack of pity for the pedophile as one jumping up and down rejoicing that a man was killed.
What is sad Duane, is the amount of pedophiles that are sent to prison and then get released back into society to re offend. No child should have that scar, and when a child is scared because the pedophile has been released only to re offend again and again, then shame on our laws.
I do pity the pedophile, but I do not pity his actions. I despise his actions. They are atrocious. That a father acted as a father would act when confronted with that scene, then I do not pity the pedophile for being beaten to death. Considering the circumstances, his death is justified.
I am not going to address hypothetical situations and how I may react. I simply don't know.StoveBolts said:Answer us this Duane, how would you react if you found some man being sexually active with your 4 year old daughter? I'm really curious how you think you would have handled that situation.
If you can show me where I made such a claim, I'll address it.StoveBolts said:Moreso, why do you believe that you could restrain yourself from hitting that guy any more than the father? But what I won't accept Duane, is that you wouldn't get angry.
So the Cross means nothing?He should have killed him. In Biblical times he would have got stoned to death or he would have had to pay the father.
Again, this speaks volumes.Seriously??? Do you have kids??
I'm standing firm on my belief that what the man did in reaction was no fault of his own. In essence, I believe the child rapist killed himself with his own actions. If he had not done what he was doing he would still be alive. The father had no intentions of killing this man that day, but the child rapist acted out his intentions. He killed himself. He is at fault for his own death.
I am thankful that there is one less child rapist in this world.
If we carried out justice this swiftly in every instance I believe there would be FAR less pedophiles out there to harm our children.
Agreed, but I had to delete two words, to put the "finishing touches" on your post.Seriously??? Do you have kids??
I'm standing firm on my belief that what the man did in reaction was no fault of his own. In essence, I believe the child rapist killed himself with his own actions. If he had not done what he was doing he would still be alive. The father had no intentions of killing this man that day, but the child rapist acted out his intentions. He killed himself. He is at fault for his own death.
I am thankful that there is one less child rapist in this world.
If we carried out justice this swiftly in every instance _______________ there would be FAR less pedophiles out there to harm our children.
The same can be said of your posts.Again, this speaks volumes.
the creep can not hurt another childThen why are so many in here rejoicing?
tolerance is not disiplineRestraint is only for those Christians who have disciplined themselves. It is the flesh of man that cannot restrain the rage.
The father did not judge the man to eternity.How is his death justified? Are we under Mosaic Law? Are you God and able to pronounce such judgements, never mind being willing to carry out such judgement? God alone is judge and we are not to repay evil for evil or be overcome by evil.
you are more then willing to judge fellow ChristiansI am not going to address hypothetical situations and how I may react. I simply don't know.
If you can show me where I made such a claim, I'll address it.
Shame on me for trying to uphold Christian values and the Gospel, for promoting Scripture over flesh. Yes, shame on me.The same can be said of your posts.
Shame on you.
There are those who are celebrating that he is dead.we are not celebrating that he did kill him or that he is dead.
The protection of children against such abuse is a Christian value, the protection of the abuser is NOT a Christian value.Shame on me for trying to uphold Christian values and the Gospel, for promoting Scripture over flesh. Yes, shame on me.
And his death is cause for rejoicing how?the creep can not hurt another child
I am not sure what you mean.reba said:tolerance is not disipline
That's not the point.reba said:The father did not judge the man to eternity.
Christians are so quick to judge and yet cannot stand being judged, not that that is uniquely Christian, it just seems so much more prevalent. As Christians we are called to judge certain things such as beliefs and doctrines. We are commanded to exhort and correct.reba said:you are more then willing to judge fellow Christians
There are those who are celebrating that he is dead.
You presume too much and have zero basis for claiming that I have "blatant, cold-hearted disregard for children." Do not misrepresent posters' positions. That is a violation of the TOS. Quit assuming and read what I have actually written.Your blatant, cold-hearted disregard for children under the name of "Christian values" is sickening and offensive. TRY to wrap your mind around the fact that there IS a child out there somewhere who was eventually to be abused like this, and now, thanks to this father's act, this child will be untouched.
And what nonsense would that be? My references to Scripture? Would you prefer I actually post chapter and verse?Pizzaguy said:One more thing, Please stop posting your nonsense, ok?
You presume too much and have zero basis for claiming that I have "blatant, cold-hearted disregard for children." Do not misrepresent posters' positions. That is a violation of the TOS. Quit assuming and read what I have actually written.