The 40 or more Gifts given to believers?

[gr8grace]

I agree butch5. We are all believer priests, So we need to test what is being said.

I would phrase my warning a bit different though," Just be careful, You may grow some with how some have put the scripture back into context."

 

[Deborah13]

Hi Deborah13,

Just be careful as many people take passages of Scripture out of context to make their point.

Oh yes, I will be careful. Thanks

 

[Deborah13]

http://www.wenstrom.org/modules.php...yCategory&WRITTEN_selCat=1&WRITTEN_selTopic=0

Rory Clark also has a church site.

 

[gr8grace]

Yeah, Each have their own site as well. most are Churches but a few are study sites.

 

[Butch5]

I agree butch5. We are all believer priests, So we need to test what is being said.

I would phrase my warning a bit different though," Just be careful, You may grow some with how some have put the scripture back into context."

Hi gr8grace,

I haven't investigated your link so I can't speak to it. However, it's been my experience that few put Scripture "in" context. Many, many, Christians proof text. It seems to me that this is similar as statements have been made and individual verses of Scripture have been sited as evidence. The Scriptures are written as letters and histories, if we a single sentence from its context it doesn't really mean anything. Its meaning is determined by its context.

 

[JCitoL]

Gal 4:1-2~~1 Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything, 2 but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by the father.

We have 40 or more grace gifts that we receive at the moment we are born again.

But as Paul says in Galatians, if we stay a child and never leave the milk, we are no different then the Slave. We will not know these Gifts that are at our finger tips.

They are problem solving devices, eternal security,indwelling,faith rest,Access to divine power,Justification and the List goes on.

Growing in the Grace and the Knowledge of our Lord takes us to the realization of these Grace gifts and grows us into the heirs that we truly are as believers.

I am curious if any on this Forum have studied these 40 or more Gifts in detail.

I do realize that some are fundamental to the Christian Faith and are attacked by religion and the world. But have you had teachers that have taught these specifically?

there's no big point the gifts of the Holy Spirit to be taught as by a textbook, but it would be worth more if the believers try to improve in the right faith and especially in the show of love towards the other humans, because exactly then the gifts of the Holy Spirit may be made manifest in them

Blessings

 

[farouk]

Thank you for the link. I did read most of this one page. I think if makes the simplicity of the Gospel of Grace much too complicated. However, as a person who was once taught of the mixture of grace and law for salvation I will agree that when we witness to an unbeliever we need to explain things much better than some do. We also need to remember that when one is taught a mixture of law and grace for salvation that they believe (in most cases) that the "works" in Eph. 2:9 is referring to righteous deeds. In other words, they believe that they are saved by grace, through faith, not by righteous doings that are of themselves, so they cannot boast in their good deeds, but that it does not include obeying the Law. Thus making it possible to lose salvation.

Hi Deborah13:

I think a clear reading of Ephesians 2 doesn't include the idea of losing salvation for supposedly not completing 'enough' works of the law. 'Not of works' means NIL, period. By faith alone.

Verse 10's reference to being 'his workmanship' refers to things done in faith by grace as the Spirit enables; the idea is not meritorious through supposed human merit.

(I reckon you think this, too.)

Blessings.

 

[Deborah13]

Hi Deborah13:

I think a clear reading of Ephesians 2 doesn't include the idea of losing salvation for supposedly not completing 'enough' works of the law. 'Not of works' means NIL, period. By faith alone.

Verse 10's reference to being 'his workmanship' refers to things done in faith by grace as the Spirit enables; the idea is not meritorious through supposed human merit.

(I reckon you think this, too.)

Blessings.

I do completely agree with what you just said.

 

[farouk]

I do completely agree with what you just said.

Deborah13: Yes, well I think the Scriptures do speak for themselves.

Blessings.