The 7th-Day Sabbath?

[Deborah13]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

God has said that He never changes! Mal. 3:6

But he does change how he does things:

19 See, I am doing a new thing!
Now it springs up; do you not perceive it?
I am making a way in the wilderness
and streams in the wasteland.
20 The wild animals honor me,
the jackals and the owls,
because I provide water in the wilderness
and streams in the wasteland,
to give drink to my people, my chosen...
(Isaiah 56:19-20 NIV)

We have to ask ourselves, "do we not perceive it?"

Oh wow, I don't remember reading that...excellent.

 

[Elijah674]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

That is interesting, even for the livestock needing a rest? ;)

--Elijah

It's a picture of us...the beast of burden endlessly plowing the fields of our sin and self-righteousness trying to raise a crop useful to the Master where only thorns and thristles grow. It's a horrible burden to carry.

Christ is the appointed time of Rest (since the creation of the world) for all who are heavy laden and burdened to find rest for their souls. He is the 7th Day to which the shadow pointed. We enter into that Day of rest when we believe.

Amen, amen, and amen.

Hey! just more talk.;)
--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Not sure of the point, but it is very interesting to see that this very word that represents the "sabbath" is translated as "rest"

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart

One might also understand that this rest comes through faith in His Word?

(is that question mark for you? ;) )
How about Isaiah 66:21-25? and Isaiah 66:22-23 even calling it the 'NEW HEAVENS'.

--Elijah

Not sure if I understand your point? My point was that the work of Gods Word in a believers life is what what brings us into the rest of God, which is the fulfillment of the commandment in the law.

 

[Elijah674]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

I suspected you might be Jehovah witness?
But surely we are 6 day workers in heaven, and the 7th day Sabbath we ALL come together for our Worship of God. (build & plant)

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

I suspected you might be Jehovah witness?
But surely we are 6 day workers in heaven, and the 7th day Sabbath we ALL come together for our Worship of God. (build & plant)

--Elijah

Yes, may we all enter His rest.
By the way I doubt many J W would choose A user name like G. Muller

 

[Elijah674]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

About your friend, Jethro B., he never even hints to his church affialiation, except how he thinks the Lords 7 day Sabbath is kept. The teaching blots out the Commands of God completely! As God asks even before Adam was created to have his creation with having the next day for Their 7th Day Sabbath.

Which is totally a NEW THING! And completely CHANGES GOD & CHRIST into a liar. (Mal. 4:6 + Heb. 13:8-9)

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

About your friend, Jethro B., he never even hints to his church affialiation, except how he thinks the Lords 7 day Sabbath is kept. The teaching blots out the Commands of God completely! As God asks even before Adam was created to have his creation with having the next day for Their 7th Day Sabbath.

Which is totally a NEW THING! And completely CHANGES GOD & CHRIST into a liar. (Mal. 4:6 + Heb. 13:8-9)

--Elijah

This is NEW in the sense that it is the New Covenant, and we see in the scriptures that the Church would meet on the 1st day of the week from the beginning.
And God is not a liar to fulfill the Word of God by the "Word" of God. For the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.- The Lord was raised on the first day of the week.
Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
The church first met together on the first day of the week.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

So this is why we meet on the 1st day of the week, to remember He was raised and has set us free from the law of Moses.

 

[Elijah674]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

About your friend, Jethro B., he never even hints to his church affialiation, except how he thinks the Lords 7 day Sabbath is kept. The teaching blots out the Commands of God completely! As God asks even before Adam was created to have his creation with having the next day for Their 7th Day Sabbath.

Which is totally a NEW THING! And completely CHANGES GOD & CHRIST into a liar. (Mal. 4:6 + Heb. 13:8-9)

--Elijah

This is NEW in the sense that it is the New Covenant, and we see in the scriptures that the Church would meet on the 1st day of the week from the beginning.
And God is not a liar to fulfill the Word of God by the "Word" of God. For the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.- The Lord was raised on the first day of the week.
Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
The church first met together on the first day of the week.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

So this is why we meet on the 1st day of the week, to remember He was raised and has set us free from the law of Moses.

I am well aware of your beliefs. Just do not accept them, but neither you or he have answered the question? Are you or he Jehovah witnesses? Surely this is a sincere question. See 1 Peter 3:15

Hey, 'i' am not ashamed to say that I am NO LONGER a 7 Day Adventist. -- And get this correct!;)--

As Christ stated in Matt. 23
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: [[for they say, and do not]].

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

About your friend, Jethro B., he never even hints to his church affialiation, except how he thinks the Lords 7 day Sabbath is kept. The teaching blots out the Commands of God completely! As God asks even before Adam was created to have his creation with having the next day for Their 7th Day Sabbath.

Which is totally a NEW THING! And completely CHANGES GOD & CHRIST into a liar. (Mal. 4:6 + Heb. 13:8-9)

--Elijah

This is NEW in the sense that it is the New Covenant, and we see in the scriptures that the Church would meet on the 1st day of the week from the beginning.
And God is not a liar to fulfill the Word of God by the "Word" of God. For the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.- The Lord was raised on the first day of the week.
Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
The church first met together on the first day of the week.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

So this is why we meet on the 1st day of the week, to remember He was raised and has set us free from the law of Moses.

I am well aware of your beliefs. Just do not accept them, but neither you or he have answered the question? Are you or he Jehovah witnesses? Surely this is a sincere question. See 1 Peter 3:15

Hey, 'i' am not ashamed to say that I am NO LONGER a 7 Day Adventist. -- And get this correct!;)--

As Christ stated in Matt. 23
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: [[for they say, and do not]].

--Elijah

The understanding of the keeping of the 1st day of the week is a common tradition of the reformed Church, of which I would account my fellowship. I do consider it a insult to charged with being a J. witness.

You may not agree with my doctrines (which are well accepted in the reformed church) but I think we can keep a certain level of politeness, even as we disagree?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

About your friend, Jethro B., he never even hints to his church affialiation, except how he thinks the Lords 7 day Sabbath is kept.

I have no church affiliation. My last affiliation was with the Church of God, Anderson, IN. Before that it was with the Evangelical Free Church. Before that it was a non-denominational teaching ministry.

I read the Bible, and when I find a church that most closely conforms to what I've been reading, and fills other needs and desires of mine, I'll make it my home.

Oh, and by the way. The non-denom was, IMO, based on what I have learned in the Bible, and experienced, easily the closest thing to God's plan and purpose for 'church'.

The teaching blots out the Commands of God completely! As God asks even before Adam was created to have his creation with having the next day for Their 7th Day Sabbath.

Which is totally a NEW THING! And completely CHANGES GOD & CHRIST into a liar. (Mal. 4:6 + Heb. 13:8-9)

--Elijah

Okay, here's the problem with this thinking.

If honoring God's requirement for rest on the eighth day instead of the 7th is a new thing, and not just a new way of fulfilling the underlying requirement for rest itself (for all that really means), then Christ being the sacrifice for sin required by the law is a new thing, too, and also makes God a liar.

This very example is the reason why I think in terms of 'requirements'of law, as opposed to the legalistic 'letter of the law' when determining the role of law in this New Covenant. The goal is to 'fulfill' (satisfy and uphold) the underlying requirement being served in a law, not 'keep' the legalistic demand of the letter of the law.

Obviously, how we assess the 'fulfillment' of any one law depends on the underlying requirement being served. There's no room, for example, to somehow 'fulfill' the law of murder in the less than legalistic way found in the law of Moses. But, as we've been talking about, the law of the oxen has a much more important requirement in it that the letter of the law doesn't even touch. In fact, Paul says it wasn't even given for the benefit of the oxen, but "for us".

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

About your friend, Jethro B., he never even hints to his church affialiation, except how he thinks the Lords 7 day Sabbath is kept.

I have no church affiliation. My last affiliation was with the Church of God, Anderson, IN. Before that it was with the Evangelical Free Church. Before that it was a non-denominational teaching ministry.

I read the Bible, and when I find a church that most closely conforms to what I've been reading, and fills other needs and desires of mine, I'll make it my home.

Oh, and by the way. The non-denom was, IMO, based on what I have learned in the Bible, and experienced, easily the closest thing to God's plan and purpose for 'church'.

The teaching blots out the Commands of God completely! As God asks even before Adam was created to have his creation with having the next day for Their 7th Day Sabbath.

Which is totally a NEW THING! And completely CHANGES GOD & CHRIST into a liar. (Mal. 4:6 + Heb. 13:8-9)

--Elijah

Okay, here's the problem with this thinking.

If honoring God's requirement for rest on the eighth day instead of the 7th is a new thing, and not just a new way of fulfilling the underlying requirement for rest itself (for all that really means), then Christ being the sacrifice for sin required by the law is a new thing, too, and also makes God a liar.

This very example is the reason why I think in terms of 'requirements'of law, as opposed to the legalistic 'letter of the law' when determining the role of law in this New Covenant. The goal is to 'fulfill' (satisfy and uphold) the underlying requirement being served in a law, not 'keep' the legalistic demand of the letter of the law.

Obviously, how we assess the fulfillment of any one law depends on the underlying requirement being served. There's no room, for example, to somehow 'fulfill' the law of murder in a less than legalistic way found in the law of Moses. But, as we've been talking about, the law of the oxen has a much more important requirement in it that the letter of the law doesn't even touch. In fact, Paul says it wasn't even given for the benefit of the oxen, but "for us".

wow good point Jetro!

 

[Deborah13]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

If honoring God's requirement for rest on the eighth day instead of the 7th is a new thing, and not just a new way of fulfilling the underlying requirement for rest itself (for all that really means), then Christ being the sacrifice for sin required by the law is a new thing, too, and also makes God a liar.

This very example is the reason why I think in terms of 'requirements'of law, as opposed to the legalistic 'letter of the law' when determining the role of law in this New Covenant. The goal is to 'fulfill' (satisfy and uphold) the underlying requirement being served in a law, not 'keep' the legalistic demand of the letter of the law.

Very good point. Good argument for the new way, under the New Covenant.


For me to know that it is Jesus working His righteous works through us, which keeps me out of that legalist mind set. We just cooperate with His workings. No 'righteousness by our own works'.

 

[Deborah13]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

It's a picture of us...the beast of burden endlessly plowing the fields of our sin and self-righteousness trying to raise a crop useful to the Master where only thorns and thristles grow. It's a horrible burden to carry.

Thanks for this teaching. I really hadn't thought about it from the OT as to the type and shadow. Excellent, I think.

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

If honoring God's requirement for rest on the eighth day instead of the 7th is a new thing, and not just a new way of fulfilling the underlying requirement for rest itself (for all that really means), then Christ being the sacrifice for sin required by the law is a new thing, too, and also makes God a liar.

This very example is the reason why I think in terms of 'requirements'of law, as opposed to the legalistic 'letter of the law' when determining the role of law in this New Covenant. The goal is to 'fulfill' (satisfy and uphold) the underlying requirement being served in a law, not 'keep' the legalistic demand of the letter of the law.

Very good point. Good argument for the new way, under the New Covenant.


For me to know that it is Jesus working His righteous works through us, which keeps me out of that legalist mind set. We just cooperate with His workings. No 'righteousness by our own works'.

Not sure why it showed up as my point? But Jethro is the one who made it, I only agreed with him.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Thank you God for the privilege of letting us see the hidden wisdom of your ways unveiled. Things that Kings, and Prophets longed to see, but didn't.

Is God cool, or what?

 

[Deborah13]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Not sure why it showed up as my point? But Jethro is the one who made it, I only agreed with him.

My mess up I didn't quote the whole thing and show the sequence. Yes, Jethro is receiving some very good teaching for the Holy Spirit, I think. I'm very glad he is sharing them with us.

 

[Deborah13]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Is God cool, or what?

God is very Cool! Thanks for sharing with us, Jethro.

 

[Elijah674]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Christ (God) said 'If ye love me keep my Commandments'. I find the reason for why Lucifer fell from here? Can you?
Christ also said...

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and [great] commandment.

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang [all the law and the prophets].
(and if any miss this, Moses was one of the Prophets... 'who are subject to the prophets' that gave the Eternal Covenant to him. None are liars. 1 Cor. 13:32)

But loving the Lord is His final testing. (which will it be, loving OBEDIENCE of Acts 5:32, or just so so?)

We will see huh?

--Elijah

 

[Deborah13]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

But loving the Lord is His final testing. (which will it be, loving OBEDIENCE of Acts 5:32, or just so so?)

We will see huh?

Elijah, you are confusing me. Have you seen a post in this thread that speaks against the two commandments you continue to post?

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Christ (God) said 'If ye love me keep my Commandments'. I find the reason for why Lucifer fell from here? Can you?
Christ also said...

[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and [great] commandment.

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang [all the law and the prophets].
(and if any miss this, Moses was one of the Prophets... 'who are subject to the prophets' that gave the Eternal Covenant to him. None are liars. 1 Cor. 13:32)

But loving the Lord is His final testing. (which will it be, loving OBEDIENCE of Acts 5:32, or just so so?)

We will see huh?

--Elijah

I think we all agree that the law is fulfilled in Christ and then through us by His Spirit?
Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

I see no conflict with Christ having fulfilled all the carnal aspects of the law in His own body, and His Spirit at work in us to fulfill these things through us.