The 7th-Day Sabbath?

[smaller]

Sorry man but you are going way of course here.

uh, NO. We are told clearly in the New Testatment that the Sabbath Day 'we' have is merely A SHADOW.

That means it ain't the real thing.

s

 

[John 8:32]

You may call it a space shuttle if you want, but the scripture you partially quoted says plainly that the seventh day is the Sabbath.

God has His Days, we have ours. It is only your assumption that makes them the same, as if God is confined and subject to having His Days determined by this little planet and it's sun when there is a universe to behold?

How petty is that sight?

s

Yep, God has His days...

Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Please do not include me when you say

we have ours.

I don't have anything to do with xmas and Ishtar.

 

[smaller]

You may call it a space shuttle if you want, but the scripture you partially quoted says plainly that the seventh day is the Sabbath.

God has His Days, we have ours. It is only your assumption that makes them the same, as if God is confined and subject to having His Days determined by this little planet and it's sun when there is a universe to behold?

How petty is that sight?

s

Yep, God has His days...

Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Please do not include me when you say

we have ours.

I don't have anything to do with xmas and Ishtar.

Newsflash: SHADOWS ARE NOT REAL.

1 Chronicles 29:15
For we are strangers before thee, and sojourners, as were all our fathers: our days on the earth are as a shadow, and there is none abiding.

Psalm 144:4
Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth away.

Ecclesiastes 6:12
For who knoweth what is good for man in this life, all the days of his vain life which he spendeth as a shadow? for who can tell a man what shall be after him under the sun?

Col. 2:
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Heb. 8:
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things,

Are the shadows the real thing? Uh, no. They are shadows of spiritual matters yet to come.

Heb. 8:
"when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers-"

9:
"Then verily the first covenant - - -was a figure for the time then present-"

10:
"For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

go figure.

s

 

[chessman]

here is another testimony about the somnolence of God, and in particular it comes to the falling of God into a deeper sate of somnolence: Matthew 24:20-21 "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter(i.e. in a moment of spiritual crisis), neither on the sabbath day(i.e. neither when God is in a deeper state of His somnolence to you):

This is a classic case of what's called "begging the question" or “assuming the initial point" within logical proofs/fallacy. I asked you for evidence that the Bible teaches God is in a state of "half-sleep" or "somnolence" and you quote Matt 24:20. Then you simply define “the Sabbath†as somnolence.
That’s not evidence that the Sabbath = God’s somnolence WRT salvation. That’s just you saying the Sabbath equals God’s somnolence. Matt 24 is Jesus, very actively and alive, sending out His disciples on their task at hand.
Very similarly you say here:
"

all martyrs were caught, cast into prison, tortured and killed exactly when God the Father was in a deeper state of His somnolence to them, otherwise they would not suffer

Yet the Scriptures actually say that martyrs were caught, cast into prison, tortured and killed. You are just simply adding “when God the Father was in a deeper state of His somnolenceâ€.

Then you say it’s taught “in many places of the biblical books†and example Song of Solomon at 4:16. SoS is of course a very, very poetic Hebrew literature about Solomon Admiring (and sexually enjoying is bride’s beauty). It would seem difficult, at best, to build a doctrine of God’s somnolence from this type of genre in the first place. But looking at this passage and giving it a try, since you referenced it as evidence for "half-sleep" of God:

SoS 4: 1Behold, you are beautiful, my love, behold, you are beautiful! Your eyes are doves behind your veil. Your hair is like a flock of goats leaping down the slopes of Gilead. (Song of Solomon 4:1 ESV)
​

I personally find it very difficult to pick out any foreshadowing of God and His qualities from this type of language/genre. But just right off the bat, even if you thought this chapter was poetically describing God (versus Solomon’s bride) which I do not, I don’t see how “leaping down the slopes†poetically describes a God that is in a “half asleepâ€.

But moving on to the rest of this poem that you cite:

Your shoots [Brides]are… a garden fountain, a well of living water, and flowing streams from Lebanon.

Awake, O north wind, and come, O south wind! Blow upon my garden[Solomon], let its spices flow. Let my beloved come to his garden, and eat its choicest fruits. (Song of Solomon 4:15-16 ESV)
​

Well, I’m afraid I cannot (or should not) give too much details of my exegesis of this passage in mixed company. But i, for the life of me, cannot see your evidence that this passage teaches God is in a state of “half-sleepâ€. I don’t think her “garden fountain†was God nor do I think Solomon’s “garden†is a metaphor for God or how He was being awakened. Seems like you did a word search of the Bible for “Awake†and came upon this passage.

Regardless. You say:

the somnolence of God is shown in many places of the biblical books

So would you mind pointing out your top two or three passages out that’s not a poem about Solomon and His Bride in bed, uh, not sleepingJ

 

[JCitoL]

here is another testimony about the somnolence of God, and in particular it comes to the falling of God into a deeper sate of somnolence: Matthew 24:20-21 "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter(i.e. in a moment of spiritual crisis), neither on the sabbath day(i.e. neither when God is in a deeper state of His somnolence to you):

This is a classic case of what's called "begging the question" or “assuming the initial point" within logical proofs/fallacy. I asked you for evidence that the Bible teaches God is in a state of "half-sleep" or "somnolence" and you quote Matt 24:20. Then you simply define “the Sabbath” as somnolence.
That’s not evidence that the Sabbath = God’s somnolence WRT salvation. That’s just you saying the Sabbath equals God’s somnolence. Matt 24 is Jesus, very actively and alive, sending out His disciples on their task at hand.
Very similarly you say here:
"

all martyrs were caught, cast into prison, tortured and killed exactly when God the Father was in a deeper state of His somnolence to them, otherwise they would not suffer

Yet the Scriptures actually say that martyrs were caught, cast into prison, tortured and killed. You are just simply adding “when God the Father was in a deeper state of His somnolence”.

Then you say it’s taught “in many places of the biblical books” and example Song of Solomon at 4:16. SoS is of course a very, very poetic Hebrew literature about Solomon Admiring (and sexually enjoying is bride’s beauty). It would seem difficult, at best, to build a doctrine of God’s somnolence from this type of genre in the first place. But looking at this passage and giving it a try, since you referenced it as evidence for "half-sleep" of God:

SoS 4: 1Behold, you are beautiful, my love, behold, you are beautiful! Your eyes are doves behind your veil. Your hair is like a flock of goats leaping down the slopes of Gilead. (Song of Solomon 4:1 ESV)
​

I personally find it very difficult to pick out any foreshadowing of God and His qualities from this type of language/genre. But just right off the bat, even if you thought this chapter was poetically describing God (versus Solomon’s bride) which I do not, I don’t see how “leaping down the slopes” poetically describes a God that is in a “half asleep”.

But moving on to the rest of this poem that you cite:

Your shoots [Brides]are… a garden fountain, a well of living water, and flowing streams from Lebanon.

Awake, O north wind, and come, O south wind! Blow upon my garden[Solomon], let its spices flow. Let my beloved come to his garden, and eat its choicest fruits. (Song of Solomon 4:15-16 ESV)
​

Well, I’m afraid I cannot (or should not) give too much details of my exegesis of this passage in mixed company. But i, for the life of me, cannot see your evidence that this passage teaches God is in a state of “half-sleep”. I don’t think her “garden fountain” was God nor do I think Solomon’s “garden” is a metaphor for God or how He was being awakened. Seems like you did a word search of the Bible for “Awake” and came upon this passage.

Regardless. You say:

the somnolence of God is shown in many places of the biblical books

So would you mind pointing out your top two or three passages out that’s not a poem about Solomon and His Bride in bed, uh, not sleepingJ

it is not about the personal life of Solomon and his beloved woman in the book Song of Solomon, but it is about: the Holy Spirit, the new creature, the abundant/everlasting life (which are represented as a woman), and the true God (Who is represented as a beloved man), but the explanation is in very symbolical/allegorical/metaphorical form

regarding the somnolence of God, here is another testimony which shows His somnolence (read the notes/explanations in the brackets of the following biblical passage):

Matthew 21:33-44 "Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard(i.e. a humankind), and hedged it round about(i.e. and put the sanctity in every human), and digged a winepress in it(i.e. and make there be benediction/grace/welfare for all humans), and built a tower(i.e. and made/gave the faith), and let it out to husbandmen(i.e. and let there be spiritual servants/workers prescribing(defining) that they must be only conscientious/good), and went into a far country(i.e. and fell into a state of millennial somnolence/drowse): And when the time of the fruit drew near(i.e. and when it is come a time for salvation), he sent his servants(i.e. his ambassadors) to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."

it is not possible God to went to another place leaving any other after He is omnipresent and sees and hears everything which happens everywhere in the universe existing and being able to operate everywhere thus - for Him there is only one domain which is the whole boundless universe

the Scripture(Bible) does not accentuate the somnolence of God, that is why there is a little explanation about this, because the very (work on the) salvation is more important than anything else

Blessings

 

[chessman]

regarding the somnolence of God, here is another testimony which shows His somnolence (read the notes/explanations in the brackets of the following biblical passage):

When you note/explain verse 33 of this Parable:

and went into a far country(i.e. and fell into a state of millennial somnolence/drowse

the question then becomes, where is the evidence that this indicates God went into a state of millennial somnolence? I do agree with you the parable means to illustrate God as the Owner of the house (father of the Son, which is obviously Jesus).
It seems to me, knowing that this parable is being spoken to the Pharisees that it clearly depicts:

1) the Pharisees as being the wicked tenants (husbandment). (You say spiritual servants) I’m unsure why you would Spiritualize this parable. He’s talking to the Pharisees directly. In fact, that’s quite obvious from verse 45 “When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he was speaking about them.
2) God(The Father) as being Master of the House (which you seem to agree)
3) Servants are the former Prophets, including John the Baptist, that the Pharisees beat/stoned/killed. (You say “his servants(i.e. his ambassadors) so maybe we agree.)
4) The son (Jesus)
5) the other tenants are the Gentiles
​

So if your note/explanation is correct then there’s a contradiction with the rest of this parable when it describes the Father (God) sending servants and sending His Son? That doesn’t sound like He’s asleep to me.

In addition, as a Christian with the Trinity in view, we currently have the Holy Spirit (God) active within each of us. That’s why it does not seem like this Scripture, or any other Scripture is going to provide any evidence that God is “asleep†or in “somnolenceâ€. But I’m speaking as a Christian that takes God’s Word and truth. I was just wondering where you found it in the actual Scripture.

You could place, insert, note or explain most any passage especially the poetic and/or parrable passages with your own personal choice of explanations.

Choosing "went into a far country" to equate to "somolence" doesn't seem to fit this parable due to the fact that the father is still actively sending servants and His Son.

BTW, I choose to understand "leased it to the tenants (Parisees) and went into a far country" to deptict the literal situation of Jesus' audience. The Pharisses were supposed to be the carethakers of His vineyard (his chruch/people). but they were killing and murdering it. They would also murder His Son. So this is Jesus, quite lieterally claiming to be God's Son (which He is) and then predicting His death (which He did die), ressurected, assended and gave us the Holy Spirit. So again, that's all kinds of evidence that God is not, in fact, "asleep".

Blessing,
(which is a Christian's prayer to an awake God that you in fact will be blessed by His grace).

 

[George Muller]

Yep, God has His days...

Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Please do not include me when you say

we have ours.

I don't have anything to do with xmas and Ishtar.

Newsflash: SHADOWS ARE NOT REAL.

1 Chronicles 29:15
For we are strangers before thee, and sojourners, as were all our fathers: our days on the earth are as a shadow, and there is none abiding.

Psalm 144:4
Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth away.

Ecclesiastes 6:12
For who knoweth what is good for man in this life, all the days of his vain life which he spendeth as a shadow? for who can tell a man what shall be after him under the sun?

Col. 2:
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Heb. 8:
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things,

Are the shadows the real thing? Uh, no. They are shadows of spiritual matters yet to come.

Heb. 8:
"when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers-"

9:
"Then verily the first covenant - - -was a figure for the time then present-"

10:
"For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

go figure.

s

I tell you smaller, we may not agree on all the promises of God, or how we attain them through faith? But boy I like your defense of the promises you see that we have already attained. Good post and gets right to the heart of the issue.

 

[Elijah674]

Walter & Debbie, I think that was you two that started this thread? Any way I was wondering if you caught this one by me? It answers the question of how we are to keep the 7Th day of worship. (take notice that it is for today!;))
He does not leave out what He has given us who LOVE him to do!! Do we LOVE CHRIST accurately, nothing held back? This is the last question!

We can read Isa. 58...

[10] And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:
[11] And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.

[12] And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

And this will be our LOVING duties in our heavenly home. Still we will be doing the work of building our country home. (read Isa. 65:18-26) And on His 7th Day Sabbath we will travel to Jerusalem to Worship our Lord! (IN NEW Jerusalem. Isa. 66:22-23! ...and there is the sunset to MARK our Days!)
OK: Back to Isa. 58 with INSTRUCTIONS!

[12] And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

We see in Daniel 7:25 why this is so. Dan. says...

[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

So we see what the Lord requires. The Remnant to do this duty from an honest heart filled with love! And this is the work that is to be seen...

[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Christ was was said to be a breaker of His Eternal law when He and His disciples went through a corn field and had gotten enough food for that 7th Sabbath Day. And Isa. 58? (Has Isaiah saying, that is ok! as a True Prophet of God.. 1 Cor. 14:32) See **Lev. 19:10 !

And next...

‘from doing thine own pleasure’. OK. Here we find all things that are not Godly things to do are to be [put] aside! Inclusive? ball games and the like, news papers reading. Anything that can be done on the other six days are to be put aside.

And the ox in the ditch? Surely is in need of help!

Along with the sick & afflicted.

And surely all who love the Master will be known then! (and the rest will become ashes under your feet Mal. 4:1-3)

--Elijah

 

[JCitoL]

regarding the somnolence of God, here is another testimony which shows His somnolence (read the notes/explanations in the brackets of the following biblical passage):

When you note/explain verse 33 of this Parable:

and went into a far country(i.e. and fell into a state of millennial somnolence/drowse

the question then becomes, where is the evidence that this indicates God went into a state of millennial somnolence? I do agree with you the parable means to illustrate God as the Owner of the house (father of the Son, which is obviously Jesus).
It seems to me, knowing that this parable is being spoken to the Pharisees that it clearly depicts:

1) the Pharisees as being the wicked tenants (husbandment). (You say spiritual servants) I’m unsure why you would Spiritualize this parable. He’s talking to the Pharisees directly. In fact, that’s quite obvious from verse 45 “When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he was speaking about them.
2) God(The Father) as being Master of the House (which you seem to agree)
3) Servants are the former Prophets, including John the Baptist, that the Pharisees beat/stoned/killed. (You say “his servants(i.e. his ambassadors) so maybe we agree.)
4) The son (Jesus)
5) the other tenants are the Gentiles
​

So if your note/explanation is correct then there’s a contradiction with the rest of this parable when it describes the Father (God) sending servants and sending His Son? That doesn’t sound like He’s asleep to me.

In addition, as a Christian with the Trinity in view, we currently have the Holy Spirit (God) active within each of us. That’s why it does not seem like this Scripture, or any other Scripture is going to provide any evidence that God is “asleep” or in “somnolence”. But I’m speaking as a Christian that takes God’s Word and truth. I was just wondering where you found it in the actual Scripture.

You could place, insert, note or explain most any passage especially the poetic and/or parrable passages with your own personal choice of explanations.

Choosing "went into a far country" to equate to "somolence" doesn't seem to fit this parable due to the fact that the father is still actively sending servants and His Son.

BTW, I choose to understand "leased it to the tenants (Parisees) and went into a far country" to deptict the literal situation of Jesus' audience. The Pharisses were supposed to be the carethakers of His vineyard (his chruch/people). but they were killing and murdering it. They would also murder His Son. So this is Jesus, quite lieterally claiming to be God's Son (which He is) and then predicting His death (which He did die), ressurected, assended and gave us the Holy Spirit. So again, that's all kinds of evidence that God is not, in fact, "asleep".

Blessing,
(which is a Christian's prayer to an awake God that you in fact will be blessed by His grace).

the Bible is such that there is usually by one sentence for every thing especially when it comes to the less important things, that is why the Word of the true God and Jesus cannot be learned (only) by reading the Scripture, but there is a need of right faith in Him

2 Corinthians 3:4-6 "And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

and as we testified already in our previous post/reply, there is no way God to went/go to another place leaving any other after He is omnipresent seeing and hearing everything which happens at any moment anywhere and administrating all human/ensouled beings

with regard to the prayer for His wakening/evocation, there is no need of learned prayer, because it is not something difficult the believers to pray with their words being careful not to speak wrongful words in the prayer, although even the lord's prayer is enough, what's so difficult would there be if the believer just says for example: "Father, You Who really are the true God of all boundless universe, wake up to finish your work on the overall salvation - please don't fall asleep for me, i do not want to have any god/lord except Those Who really are the true God Father and the true Lord Jesus Christ....."?!

Blessings

 

[George Muller]

Christ was was said to be a breaker of His Eternal law when He and His disciples went through a corn field and had gotten enough food for that 7th Sabbath Day. And Isa. 58? (Has Isaiah saying, that is ok! as a True Prophet of God.. 1 Cor. 14:32) See **Lev. 19:10 !

Mt 12:1 ¶ At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

It is clear that the Lord was speaking to these pharisees and claiming to be both above the temple and the sabbath, for these these were only a shadow of Him.

Col 2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 ¶ But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 10:1 ¶ For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

So again the written code of keeping the sabbath was only representing what is true In Christ?

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

 

[Elijah674]

Christ was was said to be a breaker of His Eternal law when He and His disciples went through a corn field and had gotten enough food for that 7th Sabbath Day. And Isa. 58? (Has Isaiah saying, that is ok! as a True Prophet of God.. 1 Cor. 14:32) See **Lev. 19:10 !

Mt 12:1 ¶ At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

It is clear that the Lord was speaking to these pharisees and claiming to be both above the temple and the sabbath, for these these were only a shadow of Him.

Col 2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 ¶ But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 10:1 ¶ For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

So again the written code of keeping the sabbath was only representing what is true In Christ?

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Shame on you George!:naughty
Had you never read the last couple verses of WARNING?

Rev.22 is a near copy of Ecc. 3:14
Eccl. 3:14
[14] I know that, whatsoever God (sayeth) doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

And...

Rev. 22
[18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away [[his part out of the book of life,]] and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Christ was was said to be a breaker of His Eternal law when He and His disciples went through a corn field and had gotten enough food for that 7th Sabbath Day. And Isa. 58? (Has Isaiah saying, that is ok! as a True Prophet of God.. 1 Cor. 14:32) See **Lev. 19:10 !

Mt 12:1 ¶ At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

It is clear that the Lord was speaking to these pharisees and claiming to be both above the temple and the sabbath, for these these were only a shadow of Him.

Col 2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 ¶ But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 10:1 ¶ For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

So again the written code of keeping the sabbath was only representing what is true In Christ?

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Shame on you George!:naughty
Had you never read the last couple verses of WARNING?

Rev.22 is a near copy of Ecc. 3:14
Eccl. 3:14
[14] I know that, whatsoever God (sayeth) doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

And...

Rev. 22
[18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away [[his part out of the book of life,]] and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

--Elijah

Well of course if the scriptures defeat your false doctrines, just attack the person who presents the truth of the scriptures, with some phony charge.

 

[Elijah674]

Phony charge??
Yes Lord I hear your Rev. 12:17 phony charge??

Rev. 12
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the (No. 1) commandments of God, and have the (No. 2) testimony of Jesus Christ.

--Elijah

PS: and this is NO ATTACK!

 

[George Muller]

Rev. 12
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the (No. 1) commandments of God, and have the (No. 2) testimony of Jesus Christ.

Same John; 1Jo 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 ¶ And this is his commandment, #1 That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and #2 love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us

Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

 

[Elijah674]

Rev. 12
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the (No. 1) commandments of God, and have the (No. 2) testimony of Jesus Christ.

Same John; 1Jo 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 ¶ And this is his commandment, #1 That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and #2 love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us

Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

OK, I will leave you with my post above your post. Titus 3:9-10 is a good verse for which ever one it is?

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Rev. 12
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the (No. 1) commandments of God, and have the (No. 2) testimony of Jesus Christ.

Same John; 1Jo 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 ¶ And this is his commandment, #1 That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and #2 love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us

Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

OK, I will leave you with my post above your post. Titus 3:9-10 is a good verse for which ever one it is?

--Elijah

Tit 2:11 ¶ For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world

Yes it is the grace of God that leads to Godliness, the strength of sin is the law

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.