The 7th-Day Sabbath?

[jasoncran]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

one is free not to be kosher and not to do shabat.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

A New Look at
the
SABBATH
Is God's Sabbath Abolished
with the Old Covenant?
Or
an Eternal Command of God,
Still in Force Today?

Should Christians observe Sunday as the day of worship? Why do
Jews observe Saturday? What day did Jesus and the apostles and
early New Testament Church observe? How did Sunday observance
begin in the Church? And when? Does it really make any difference
which day we observe today, so long as we worship Christ?

Does it really make any difference which day we observe as the weekly day of worship?
Is it necessary to observe any day at all? Why do most professing Christians worship on Sunday,
and most Jews on Sabbath, from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, most Moslems on Friday, and
some groups -- like the Jehovah’s Witnesses -- observe no particular day at all?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Where did Sunday worship and Sabbath worship begin, anyway? And does it make any
difference in God’s sight what day we keep, if any?
Strangely, almost all of the professing Christian world worship on Sunday and seem to
take it for granted. Most people never question what they do, or why -- their families always
worshipped on Sunday, and so they accept it without question. If anyone should ever question
them about it, they shrug and often exclaim, "What difference does it make, anyway?"
Some, in their attempt to justify observing Sunday, claim that the laws of God were all
done away -- nailed to the cross -- in particular, the weekly Sabbath day! To them, this is a
matter of fact, not worthy of dispute, and so the matter is settled for them.
But did Jesus Christ come to do away with His Father’s laws and commandments? Was
the Sabbath law one among many which were “nailed to the cross�

What is the TRUTH? Two thousand years ago, Jesus Christ said, "Yet a time is coming
and has now come when the TRUE WORSHIPERS will worship the Father in spirit and
TRUTH, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers
MUST worship in spirit and in TRUTH" (John 4:23-24).

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

About your friend, Jethro B., he never even hints to his church affialiation, except how he thinks the Lords 7 day Sabbath is kept. The teaching blots out the Commands of God completely! As God asks even before Adam was created to have his creation with having the next day for Their 7th Day Sabbath.

Which is totally a NEW THING! And completely CHANGES GOD & CHRIST into a liar. (Mal. 4:6 + Heb. 13:8-9)

--Elijah

This is NEW in the sense that it is the New Covenant, and we see in the scriptures that the Church would meet on the 1st day of the week from the beginning.
And God is not a liar to fulfill the Word of God by the "Word" of God. For the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.- The Lord was raised on the first day of the week.
Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
The church first met together on the first day of the week.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

So this is why we meet on the 1st day of the week, to remember He was raised and has set us free from the law of Moses.

Heb 4:1 ¶ Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief

Those of us who worship on Sunday are not in error, nor is the fulfillment of the commandment found in mans ability to keep the written code.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath? Isaiah 56:1-8.

It's Yahweh's Sabbath. What else is there to say? And the same goes for Yahweh's feasts, Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles and the Last Great Day. That's just the way it is.

 

[jasoncran]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

im not a practicing messianic Jew, but I still don't like calling the Lord Yahweh. I would rather say the Heshem or YHWH. just my opinion.

 

[Elijah674]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

I come from a huge group that 'claim' to be obedient to the laws of God. Christ even stated the verse of Matt. 23

[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Most just dump the whole of the verse! Yet that was not the message was it! And it was Christ who told what the New Covenant was all about. In Heb. 10:15-16 +! The laws are to be centered where? (same 10 commandments as James 2:8-12)

Heb. 10
[15] Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
[16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith [[the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them]];

And surely there folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit and that never know that He is given on condition of BEING OBEYED. Acts 5:32

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 ¶ Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[Elijah674]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 ¶ Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

What is that suppose to mean?? Are you telling me that to love the Lord is SIN???

Deut. 11
[18] Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
[19] And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[20] And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
[21] That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.
[22] For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;

And David in Psalms 19...
[4] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
[5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
[6] His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

[7] The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

[8] The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
[9] The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

[10] More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
[11] Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
[12] Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

[13] Keep back thy servant [[also]] from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

And you tell me that this IS SIN?? You best compare this with 1 John 5:16-17 for the PRESUMPTOUS SIN! First John 5... reads like this,
[16] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 ¶ Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

What is that suppose to mean?? Are you telling me that to love the Lord is SIN???

Deut. 11
[18] Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
[19] And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[20] And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
[21] That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.
[22] For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;

And David in Psalms 19...
[4] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
[5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
[6] His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

[7] The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

[8] The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
[9] The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

[10] More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
[11] Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
[12] Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

[13] Keep back thy servant [[also]] from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

And you tell me that this IS SIN?? You best compare this with 1 John 5:16-17 for the PRESUMPTOUS SIN! First John 5... reads like this,
[16] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

--Elijah

All I did was quote NEW Testament and you did was quote OLD.

13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

 

[Elijah674]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 ¶ Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

What is that suppose to mean?? Are you telling me that to love the Lord is SIN???

Deut. 11
[18] Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
[19] And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[20] And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
[21] That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.
[22] For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;

And David in Psalms 19...
[4] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
[5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
[6] His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

[7] The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

[8] The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
[9] The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

[10] More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
[11] Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
[12] Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

[13] Keep back thy servant [[also]] from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

And you tell me that this IS SIN?? You best compare this with 1 John 5:16-17 for the PRESUMPTOUS SIN! First John 5... reads like this,
[16] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

--Elijah

All I did was quote NEW Testament and you did was quote OLD.

13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Who were the ones that God gave up on? The ones who had this vail covering or the ones who did not? Deut. 31

And of the two class, it was said that just the 4 th. commandment was the object to be tested to see if they would be faithful, (ibid 49) written by the pen of Moses.

In verse 24-25 we find that which God WROTE was kept inside of the ARK!
OK: You tell me which class were faithfully loving the Lord in obedience? (and one can read on for answers)

--Elijah

 

[Joe Domingo]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

I appreciate all of the opinions presented here to not observe Shabbat. But they all fail when placed against the Word. In Malachi 3:6 it is written, "I am the Lord I change not". While I am taking these words out of the context they are written in, I believe this is a definitive statement, God does not change his Word or his Law if you will.

Jesus rose at the going down of the Sun at the end of the Sabbath, even Jimmy Swaggart knows that - see Eater service sermon 2008. That position cannot be defended. The fact of the matter is that those from Rome have changed the day of worship from Shabbat to Sunday, this historical fact is totally well documented.

If we are going to be loosy goosy with the 4th Commandment, then you married folks watch yourselves because it can be loosy goosy with the 7th! I choose the 7th commandment to always express this point because no one likes to be cheated on, so it hits home. If folk want to get metaphorical, metaphysical, allegorical, spiritual, transient, new covenentish, yea lol I'm making up words but I'm quite certain you get the point, hey if you want to be that way about the 4th commandment. I say folks can do the same with the 7th. Now any good Christian worth their salt knows - aside from the Mormons, no one dares to play around with the 7th commandment - no pun intended

Out of all the scriptures used in this conversation to defend NOT observing the Sabbath - please take notice, none of them are a command. So IMHO, I think folk are just making things up for their convenience. I have been having this dialogue with the brethren for 30 years and I have heard all of the top excuses why they don't keep the Sabbath

By the way, keeping the Sabbath is rather simple according to Christ. You simply do God's will on that day. All day long you are about the father's business. Whatever that may be. You could be on a mountain top singing cum ba ya, so long as the Lord is involved. What do you think Jesus was trying to teach the Pharisees? How to break it? He was trying to teach them that their traditions were stinky in his nostrils! He was teaching them that they misinterpreted the Law. How are you going to see your brother in trouble on the Sabbath and not help him? Of course you would help him be it livestock or anything else.

Observing the Sabbath starts in your heart.
You are saying to God, your Word is right and man's traditions are wrong.

You are acknowledging that God's Law is right, just and good. The biggest sin willful or not about the 4th Commandment, is that followers of Christ DO NOT acknowledge the 7th day Sabbath in their Hearts. This is very sad for the Church of Jesus Christ.

The Church has been deceived by the deceiver.

Ponder this math ...

There a are 7 days in a week and roughly 24 hours in a day (23 hrs 56 min). So I will round off. 7 x 24 = 168 hours in a week. Keep that number in mind.
Abraham tithed to Melchizedek out of faith not Mosaic command.
Now observe ...

168 x 10% = 16.8 hours

From Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is a 24 hour period.
You are awake from Sunset to bedtime Friday about 5 hours. You are awake Saturday until sunset of the same about 12 hours. A total of about 17 hours.

People have different sleep and wake patterns but the 16.8 hours basically captures the amount of "awake" time you would spend between Friday evening to Saturday evening with an 8 hour rest period in between.

So why don't you tithe in faith, like Father Abraham, your time to God on the Shabbat

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Yes the Old Testament will always uphold the law of Moses. The New Testament will always uphold the work and Person of the Lord Jesus Christ.


Heb 8:1 ¶ Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 ¶ But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[Deborah13]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Where did Sunday worship and Sabbath worship begin, anyway? And does it make any
difference in God’s sight what day we keep, if any?

[MENTION=94557]WalterandDebbie[/MENTION], May I ask why you have started this thread? It appears to me that you have not participate in the thread other than to ask some of the same questions over again. Do you have any thoughts on this matter that you care to share with us?

 

[tim-from-pa]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

There a are 7 days in a week and roughly 24 hours in a day (23 hrs 56 min). So I will round off. 7 x 24 = 168 hours in a week. Keep that number in mind.....

While I follow your math, let's keep sidereal days out of the equation as a day in scripture is based on a solar, not a sidereal day, and has nothing to do with it. A mean solar day is 24 hours. It just muddies up the water otherwise. :nod

 

[Elijah674]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

So who is wrong, an Immortal God who never changes, or His Son who is the same through Eternity! Or can we believe the one of Gen. 3:4? Who is a Liar from his created beginning. Take your pick.

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Who is right but a immortal God, who spoke His Word and fulfilled His Word on the Cross.

Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 ¶ And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

 

[Elijah674]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Who is right but a immortal God, who spoke His Word and fulfilled His Word on the Cross.

Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 ¶ And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Do you not know where these handwriting of ORDINANCES came from??? (from God until...) Read Deuteronomy 31:9-10 & then verses 24-26 friend. Note that Moses penned THIS law, & that it was carried about in the SIDE (beside) the contents of the Ark of God. These are the laws that were finished when Gal. 3:19 came. Galatians 3:19 says...

[19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Who is right but a immortal God, who spoke His Word and fulfilled His Word on the Cross.

Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 ¶ And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Do you not know where these handwriting of ORDINANCES came from??? (from God until...) Read Deuteronomy 31:9-10 & then verses 24-26 friend. Note that Moses penned THIS law, & that it was carried about in the SIDE (beside) the contents of the Ark of God. These are the laws that were finished when Gal. 3:19 came. Galatians 3:19 says...

[19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

--Elijah

Ga 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 ¶ Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

I am not sure of the point you are attempting to make? The clear reading of these scriptures in their context, are without challenge. We who have come to Christ are justified with Abraham, by promise apart from the law of Moses and the only purpose of the law, was to bring man to Christ.
There is only ONE SEED and that is Christ Jesus.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"~Colossians 2:16

Seems to me the Bible leaves this up to the individual's conscience.

More from this chapter:
<sup class="versenum">"18 </sup>Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, <sup class="versenum">19 </sup>And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
<sup class="versenum">20 </sup>Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
<sup class="versenum">21 </sup>(Touch not; taste not; handle not;
<sup class="versenum">22 </sup>Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
<sup class="versenum">23 </sup>Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh."


Anywho, would rather not get into intense debate. So if anyone replies in this manner, I will certainly read and consider, although I may not agree. But don't expect me to respond, because I most likely won't.