The 7th-Day Sabbath?

[Joe Domingo]

The Lord was raised on the first day of the week, the Chruch met on
the first day of the week in that He was raised on that day.

The problem that I have with this statement is not that Jesus was raised on the first day of the week. Jesus indeed resurrected at the very beginning of the Hebrew first day, which begins at Sunset Saturday evening.

The problem I have with the Statement is that Jesus did not rise on Sunday which is a Julian day. So if one really wanted to commemorate the Resurrection, one would assemble on Saturday evening.

 

[George Muller]

Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Lu 24:1 ¶ Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Joh 20:1 ¶ The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:19 ¶ Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Ac 20:7 ¶ And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

You know, I dont mind that some want to worship on saturday, but its when they try to deceive others into thinking that the Chruch is in error, that I must defend the truth. These scriptures are a clear as they can be, they cannot be challenged.

Again I think the Holy Spirit knows how to express what day the Lord was raised? and this makes my point that this debate always comes back to these very scriptures.
When the Holy Spirit had these words written, was He confused about what the term "FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK" means? No, not at all! He was showing us the fulfillment of the law through the death and resurrection of Our Lord.

 

[farouk]

smaller: the church, properly speaking, began at Pentescost, when the Holy Spirit came down after the Lord Jesus has risen again and ascended to the Father. if the King James occasionally uses the word 'church' to describe other assemblies and gatherings, a doctrine shouldnt be built on it.

 

[Elijah674]

So what is being said is that you all are to have a Saturday night.. 'in house meeting for fear of the Jews' ??? Very good understanding!

I had thought that you ones were just mixed up? (but am finding another motive)

--Elijah

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Happy Sabbath to all those who remembers to keep the 7th. Day Sabbath/Saturday Friday at sunset until Saturday at sunset upon the th ending of the sixth day which is the beginning of the weekly cycle. Exodus 20:8, Luke. 4:16, Acts 17:2.

 

[Joe Domingo]

Again I think the Holy Spirit knows how to express what day the Lord was
raised? and this makes my point that this debate always comes back to these
very scriptures.
When the Holy Spirit had these words written, was He
confused about what the term "FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK" means? No, not at all! He
was showing us the fulfillment of the law through the death and resurrection of
Our Lord.

It appears that you have continued to ignore the technicality of my argument.

There were two calendars at the time.

The Italians or Romans used the Julian calendar and named the days of the week after gods. Saturday from the Latin dies Saturnī which is to say Saturn's day, began at 12 midnight.

But the Jews and and Galileans used the Hebrew calendar and their day begins at Sunset. So the first day of the week for guys like Peter, James and John began at sunset. This means Jesus rose Saturday evening. Again I say, not on Sunday. So why all the misplaced emphasize on Sunday as the day Jesus rose, when in fact he did not rise on Sunday!

In 2008, Easter service, even Jimmy Swaggart came to his senses on this issue. And told it to his whole 20,000 plus membership.

Nice little reference link to work with in research: http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2012/08/just-plutonic/

 

[farouk]

Happy Sabbath to all those who remembers to keep the 7th. Day Sabbath/Saturday Friday at sunset until Saturday at sunset upon the th ending of the sixth day which is the beginning of the weekly cycle. Exodus 20:8, Luke. 4:16, Acts 17:2.

Acts was a dispensationally transitional period. The New Testament believer is no longer under law, but grace.

 

[Joe Domingo]

Acts was a dispensationally transitional period. The New Testament believer is
no longer under law, but grace.

Soo ... it's cool for us to break God's Law?

Answer wisely ... the Sabbath is only 1 law. There's a whole lot more.

By the way, what size TV do you have - I'm looking for an upgrade, if I could just walk in and take it that would save me a lot of money.

 

[George Muller]

It appears that you have continued to ignore the technicality of my argument.

It appears you would rather believe a "techicality" and a "augument" than the clear and evident witness of Gods Word?
Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

 

[George Muller]

Acts was a dispensationally transitional period. The New Testament believer is
no longer under law, but grace.

Soo ... it's cool for us to break God's Law?

Answer wisely ... the Sabbath is only 1 law. There's a whole lot more.

By the way, what size TV do you have - I'm looking for an upgrade, if I could just walk in and take it that would save me a lot of money.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. (THE TRUE SABBATH)
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH)

 

[Joe Domingo]

It appears you would rather believe a "techicality" and a "augument" than the
clear and evident witness of Gods Word?

Hum ...

you don't see my evidence and I don't see yours. For we are both using the same scripture to illustrate. Only I go a step further and point out the differences of what the "first day" is to different people. One is applicable to Romans and the other is applicable to Jews.

 

[George Muller]

It appears you would rather believe a "techicality" and a "augument" than the
clear and evident witness of Gods Word?

Hum ...

you don't see my evidence and I don't see yours. For we are both using the same scripture to illustrate. Only I go a step further and point out the differences of what the "first day" is to different people. One is applicable to Romans and the other is applicable to Jews.

No your right, I cannot see how the Holy Spirit gave so many scriptures in very clear words and failed to understand the how the calender works?
Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mr 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mr 16:9 ¶ Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

 

[farouk]

Acts was a dispensationally transitional period. The New Testament believer is
no longer under law, but grace.

Soo ... it's cool for us to break God's Law?

Answer wisely ... the Sabbath is only 1 law. There's a whole lot more.

By the way, what size TV do you have - I'm looking for an upgrade, if I could just walk in and take it that would save me a lot of money.

In the New Testament the rule is: 'Not of works' (Ephesians 2.9)

 

[smaller]

smaller: the church, properly speaking, began at Pentescost, when the Holy Spirit came down after the Lord Jesus has risen again and ascended to the Father. if the King James occasionally uses the word 'church' to describe other assemblies and gatherings, a doctrine shouldnt be built on it.

Some may see it that way. Just saying there is written evidence to the contrary in the scriptures cited, among many others likewise stated.

s

 

[farouk]

smaller: the church, properly speaking, began at Pentescost, when the Holy Spirit came down after the Lord Jesus has risen again and ascended to the Father. if the King James occasionally uses the word 'church' to describe other assemblies and gatherings, a doctrine shouldnt be built on it.

Some may see it that way. Just saying there is written evidence to the contrary in the scriptures cited, among many others likewise stated.

s

At the end of Malachi there is a division between the Old and New Testaments. One of the most visible evidences of the New Testament is in the Lord's Supper which the Lord Jesus instituted shortly before His sin atoning death at the Cross (Matthew 26, Mark 14, Luke 22, 1 Corinthians 11). A New Testament church, endued with power from on high after Pentecost, and an Old Testament synagogue, are distinct.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Happy Sabbath to all those who remembers to keep the 7th. Day Sabbath/Saturday Friday at sunset until Saturday at sunset upon the th ending of the sixth day which is the beginning of the weekly cycle. Exodus 20:8, Luke. 4:16, Acts 17:2.

And I didn't remember because I don't bother to remember.
Am I going to hell?

 

[George Muller]

Happy Sabbath to all those who remembers to keep the 7th. Day Sabbath/Saturday Friday at sunset until Saturday at sunset upon the th ending of the sixth day which is the beginning of the weekly cycle. Exodus 20:8, Luke. 4:16, Acts 17:2.

And I didn't remember because I don't bother to remember.
Am I going to hell?

Not for that, but for abusing that poor kitten!

 

[Mizzy]

Happy Sabbath to all those who remembers to keep the 7th. Day Sabbath/Saturday Friday at sunset until Saturday at sunset upon the th ending of the sixth day which is the beginning of the weekly cycle. Exodus 20:8, Luke. 4:16, Acts 17:2.

And I didn't remember because I don't bother to remember.
Am I going to hell?

Not for that, but for abusing that poor kitten!

I second that! Heathen!

 

[JCitoL]

Re: What is your belief about the 7th. Day Sabbath?

Technically speaking in the 'spiritual sense' (I know, a paradox) The Sabbath has already been made and entered into by God. And it is also interestingly true that His Spirit remains at work and in force. There may be several ways to approach the understandings of Sabbath. For example, God, having therein entered already knows the end game and is happily engaged in suffering with us through to the end because He Is Resting in the conclusion already. So, picture God in two general arena's. Still suffering with His creation in 'patience' mode, which is btw a characteristic of His Eternal Spirit, long suffering. And Him also resting in the finality of the exercises, knowing the outcome will be spiritually (technically) Perfect, exactly as designed and planned. In the Spiritual Sabbath that is yet to come, the suffering part is finalized and will no longer exist. This is in fact part of the promises of the Gospel. The ending of death and suffering. Having to view the matters of Sabbath as some day of the week and an exercise in men's trumped up rituals in a gathering (as if that somehow changes the present facts of our realities) for me will remain a rather entirely lame approach to the subject matter. And equally lame is the demand to respect opinions of 'believers' who seek to eternally kill or eternally damage other believers over the subject matter. Such really just need an upgrade in their own heads and hearts IMHO. s

the biblical concept "sabbath" indicates two main things:

- the millennial somnolence of God which anyway cannot continue more than about 5-6 millennia reckoned from the seventh day on

and

- the duty of the spiritual servants/workers/followers to keep and restore the: peace, purity, sanctity, good, virtue, benediction, and welfare of all humans while God (still) is in a state of somnolence

Blessings

 

[Elijah674]

Of the thousands which will End their life by the simple NO LORD I,I,I,I will not keep your 7th. Day Sabbath? NO one will be saved. Rev. 12:17
It is just that simple... 'If you love Me, keep my commandments'.

--Elijah