[_ Old Earth _] The African & South America Connection

[Lewis]

I have always been amazed at how eastern South America, fits western Africa, and how they were separated. They separated during the flood when God made changes in the earth for a couple of reasons, one was to make dry land appear again, during the flood. He pushed up land and lowered land in certain places to create water runoff. Psalms 104:8-9. And the other reason was that He gave a commandment to subdue the earth, but everybody wanted to stay in one place, so He separated them at the tower of Babel. I have a book called The God Of Creation, by Theodore H. Epp, and it has some pictures in there that show how God pushed up mountains in a softened state, these pictures show the changes that He made in the earth, it is kind of hard to explain. But my thing is that at one time all the land was joined. The flood period is when all the changes took place. I know much more about this, but I want to hear, what some of you have to say about, the changes to the earth in the daluvian, period, did I spell that word right, but anyway what somebody add to this ?

 

[jwu]

It's a "Goddidit" scenario, so God also accounts for the energy that causes this, as well as where that energy went afterwards instead of cooking the earth.

 

[reznwerks]

I have always been amazed at how eastern South America, fits western Africa, and how they were separated. They separated during the flood when God made changes in the earth for a couple of reasons, one was to make dry land appear again, during the flood. He pushed up land and lowered land in certain places to create water runoff. Psalms 104:8-9. And the other reason was that He gave a commandment to subdue the earth, but everybody wanted to stay in one place, so He separated them at the tower of Babel. I have a book called The God Of Creation, by Theodore H. Epp, and it has some pictures in there that show how God pushed up mountains in a softened state, these pictures show the changes that He made in the earth, it is kind of hard to explain. But my thing is that at one time all the land was joined. The flood period is when all the changes took place. I know much more about this, but I want to hear, what some of you have to say about, the changes to the earth in the daluvian, period, did I spell that word right, but anyway what somebody add to this ?

You are correct in stating that South America and Africa were probably joined at one time. However stating that GOD did it during the flood is a bit of a stretch. If correct there is no way the animals could have gotten back to their home in South America . Just kidding. Actually there is absolutey no evidence for a worldwide flood no way no how. It just doesn't exist. As for those pictures in that book could you tell me if they were color or black and whites? Just kidding again. Because if they were in black and white that would mean the flood happened sometime in the last hundred years not just yesterday. Anyway just a quick question. All that knowledger you have about the flood , did you learn that in public school or home school?

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

I have always been amazed at how eastern South America, fits western Africa, and how they were separated. They separated during the flood when God made changes in the earth for a couple of reasons, one was to make dry land appear again, during the flood. He pushed up land and lowered land in certain places to create water runoff. Psalms 104:8-9. And the other reason was that He gave a commandment to subdue the earth, but everybody wanted to stay in one place, so He separated them at the tower of Babel. I have a book called The God Of Creation, by Theodore H. Epp, and it has some pictures in there that show how God pushed up mountains in a softened state, these pictures show the changes that He made in the earth, it is kind of hard to explain. But my thing is that at one time all the land was joined. The flood period is when all the changes took place. I know much more about this, but I want to hear, what some of you have to say about, the changes to the earth in the daluvian, period, did I spell that word right, but anyway what somebody add to this ?

You are correct in stating that South America and Africa were probably joined at one time. However stating that GOD did it during the flood is a bit of a stretch. If correct there is no way the animals could have gotten back to their home in South America . Just kidding. Actually there is absolutey no evidence for a worldwide flood no way no how. It just doesn't exist. As for those pictures in that book could you tell me if they were color or black and whites? Just kidding again. Because if they were in black and white that would mean the flood happened sometime in the last hundred years not just yesterday. Anyway just a quick question. All that knowledger you have about the flood , did you learn that in public school or home school?

Back off Rez !!!! I got my boy Lewis´ back on this one. Science is flying by the seat of her pants right now, you know it and I know it. Science is 99.9 % half-baked theories and bogus disciplines ( ie : The Big Bang ? Quantum mechanics ? Evolution by natural selection ? String Theory ? Psychology ? Sociology ? Pharmacology? the list goes on and on ) and only 0.1 % of science is actual scientific law. I think my man Lewis is right on the money when he questions Scientific (natural) v. Intelligent terraforming. You know there is absolutely no scientific way of explaining away the energy contained within ocean currents for example or the energy that went into creating the Rockies without having the Earth shatter into a billion pieces in the process...

That´s a fact Jack !

 

[moniker]

I'm sorry but I'm confused. Are you claiming that the earth is tectonically stable, or simply that God is the one who made it so that the different plates move, subsequently forming the different continents and mountains and valleys and blah blah blah over the next eon or two?

Oh and AC, there is nothing in science that is an unchanging law, merely a theory that has been proved so totally as to be called one. The day that something falls up is the day that gravity gets a second go.

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

I'm sorry but I'm confused. Are you claiming that the earth is tectonically stable, or simply that God is the one who made it so that the different plates move,..

Listen Monik , you know there is absolutely no scientific way of explaining away the massive energy contained in ocean currents or the gozillion kilotons of TNT of energy that went into creating the Rockies without having the Earth shatter into a billion pieces in the process...The closed system
(quantum) energy theory is bogus... To me, the Bible is as reliable a source of scientific info than any issue of Nature.
That´s a fact Jack !

 

[peace4all]

I'm sorry but I'm confused. Are you claiming that the earth is tectonically stable, or simply that God is the one who made it so that the different plates move,..

Listen Monik , you know there is absolutely no scientific way of explaining away the massive energy contained in ocean currents or the gozillion kilotons of TNT of energy that went into creating the Rockies without having the Earth shatter into a billion pieces in the process...The closed system
(quantum) energy theory is bogus... To me, the Bible is as reliable a source of scientific info than any issue of Nature.
That´s a fact Jack !

Using somethign that cannot be proven through science, and is mroe foten disproven through science, to say that science is wrong.. Hah!

srry it sort of makes me laugh!

 

[reznwerks]

[quote="Lewis W":95d50]I have always been amazed at how eastern South America, fits western Africa, and how they were separated. They separated during the flood when God made changes in the earth for a couple of reasons, one was to make dry land appear again, during the flood. He pushed up land and lowered land in certain places to create water runoff. Psalms 104:8-9. And the other reason was that He gave a commandment to subdue the earth, but everybody wanted to stay in one place, so He separated them at the tower of Babel. I have a book called The God Of Creation, by Theodore H. Epp, and it has some pictures in there that show how God pushed up mountains in a softened state, these pictures show the changes that He made in the earth, it is kind of hard to explain. But my thing is that at one time all the land was joined. The flood period is when all the changes took place. I know much more about this, but I want to hear, what some of you have to say about, the changes to the earth in the daluvian, period, did I spell that word right, but anyway what somebody add to this ?

You are correct in stating that South America and Africa were probably joined at one time. However stating that GOD did it during the flood is a bit of a stretch. If correct there is no way the animals could have gotten back to their home in South America . Just kidding. Actually there is absolutey no evidence for a worldwide flood no way no how. It just doesn't exist. As for those pictures in that book could you tell me if they were color or black and whites? Just kidding again. Because if they were in black and white that would mean the flood happened sometime in the last hundred years not just yesterday. Anyway just a quick question. All that knowledger you have about the flood , did you learn that in public school or home school?

Back off Rez !!!! I got my boy Lewis´ back on this one. Science is flying by the seat of her pants right now, you know it and I know it. Science is 99.9 % half-baked theories and bogus disciplines ( ie : The Big Bang ? Quantum mechanics ? Evolution by natural selection ? String Theory ? Psychology ? Sociology ? Pharmacology? the list goes on and on ) and only 0.1 % of science is actual scientific law. I think my man Lewis is right on the money when he questions Scientific (natural) v. Intelligent terraforming. You know there is absolutely no scientific way of explaining away the energy contained within ocean currents for example or the energy that went into creating the Rockies without having the Earth shatter into a billion pieces in the process...

That´s a fact Jack ![/quote:95d50]
L O L !!! You seem to have a lot of questions. Ever try talking to a REAL scientist? I mean one who is schooled in the disipline being discussed. I must of missed all those headlines in which science is so confused. It's amazing how science can "predict" the future by looking at the past. Remember when you complain that science doesn't have all the evidence theology has none.Not having an answer or solution does not mean God did it.

 

[ArtGuy]

Science is 99.9 % half-baked theories and bogus disciplines ( ie : The Big Bang ? Quantum mechanics ? Evolution by natural selection ? String Theory ? Psychology ? Sociology ? Pharmacology? the list goes on and on )

Wait, wait, wait. I can understand objecting with some of those disciplines on biblical grounds (whether or not I agree), but... quantum mechanics? String theory? What could you possibly have against those? And given how much of QM has actually been shown in a lab to be accurate, writing it off as new-age mumbo-jumbo seems to belie your scientific ignorance. Do you also have issues with relativity? EM? Newtonian physics? ("Nuh-uh, God doesn't have an equal and opposite reaction, because there's only one of him!!!11")

 

[reznwerks]

energy

I'm sorry but I'm confused. Are you claiming that the earth is tectonically stable, or simply that God is the one who made it so that the different plates move,..

Listen Monik , you know there is absolutely no scientific way of explaining away the massive energy contained in ocean currents or the gozillion kilotons of TNT of energy that went into creating the Rockies without having the Earth shatter into a billion pieces in the process...The closed system
(quantum) energy theory is bogus... To me, the Bible is as reliable a source of scientific info than any issue of Nature.
That´s a fact Jack !

Why would you want to explain away the massive amounts of energy in ocean currents? Are you suggesting that the oceans are responsible for moving continents? If so the problem lies in the fact the currents don't flow in the same direction all over the ocean and in many places flow north and south. This isn't a big mystery. Geologists have already known for sometime that these land masses were once connected by testing the soil. You answered your own dilemma about the Rockies without realizing it. You are correct that in order to form the Rockies in a short time period would require enormous amounts of energy that might jeopordize the earth. The reality is that the Rockies were formed over millions of years in a very slow process. The evidence is there for all to see.

 

[moniker]

you know there is absolutely no scientific way of explaining or the gozillion kilotons of TNT of energy that went into creating the Rockies without having the Earth shatter into a billion pieces in the process...

Actually, yes, there is. Plate tectonics. Any idea the 'gozillion kilotons' of energy it takes to bring vast quantities of earthen matter to behave in a liquid state? You know, an earthquake? A massive one of those every century or so (New Madrid should be having one any decade now and it's going to screw up much of the midwest) when the crust piles up on itself will lighten the impact on the surrounding area. So the earth will not explode, but over time it will produce large mountain ranges, or chains of volcanoes, or sea trenches; depending on the direction of the plates and where they are.

If you believe this to not be the case and the earth to be tectonically stable I'd love to hear your explanation for earthquakes, the reason for the shape of the Alps, and such.

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

Science can´t even explain how gravity works for Pete´s sake !!!!! Let alone
geothermal energy. There is absolutely no " evidence " that suggests Earth was not intelligently terraformed at one time. The massive amounts of energy required to do this naturally would have blown us all to bits some time ago.

As I said, Science is 99.9% bogus theories, 0.1% scientific law. People are starting to realize that science has created more harm than good over the last 400 years (Galileo onwards).

The Bible , on the other hand, is 100% truth.

That´s a fact jack!!!!

 

[jwu]

Science can´t even explain how gravity works for Pete´s sake !!!!!

Can you?
Science at least has a pretty good idea about it, curvature of spacetime. If you have a better explaination, let us hear it.

Let alone
geothermal energy.

Actually that's well explained by radioactive decay of isotopes. Not a mystery at all.

There is absolutely no " evidence " that suggests Earth was not intelligently terraformed at one time.

And there is no evidence of the contrary either...and since proving such a negative is impossible the burden of proof is on your side.

The massive amounts of energy required to do this naturally would have blown us all to bits some time ago.

I'd like to see your math...quite the contrary, the massive amounth of energy involved in the rapid plate movements which were suggested in this thread would have molten the entire earth's surface. The plate tectonics happening over the course of millions of years however does not posit such a problem.

As I said, Science is 99.9% bogus theories, 0.1% scientific law.

You clearly don't have the slightest clue about how science works.
Theory is as good as it gets. Laws are all nice, but they merely describe regularities. It can be said that "on a clear day at noon the sky is blue" is a scientific law, it's a regularity which occurs reliably beyond reasonable doubt.
Theories however explain these regularities, that the sky is blue because of a specific fraction of light. That's what science is after. The term "scientific theory" does not resemble the meaning of the layman's term "theory" at all.

People are starting to realize that science has created more harm than good over the last 400 years (Galileo onwards).

I guess you want back to the medieval times, where people needlessly die of tuberculosis and malnutrition and get burned at the stake if they disagree with your exegesis.

The Bible , on the other hand, is 100% truth.

For that it has to be interpreted correctly though. And if there was only one way to interprete it, we wouldn't have all those different denominations, would we?

 

[moniker]

Science can´t even explain how gravity works for Pete´s sake !!!!! Let alone
geothermal energy. There is absolutely no " evidence " that suggests Earth was not intelligently terraformed at one time. The massive amounts of energy required to do this naturally would have blown us all to bits some time ago.

As I said, Science is 99.9% bogus theories, 0.1% scientific law. People are starting to realize that science has created more harm than good over the last 400 years (Galileo onwards).

So I take it you don't have an explanation for earthquakes or other tectonic activities then. Just misunderstandings or unbacked claims. Why would the energy required to produce the Rockies or the Alps or the Circle of Fire have blown the Earth to bits? How much energy was that? Over what period of time did it occur? If spanned out further would the earth have not been destroyed, as it obviously isn't?

Oh, and gravity is caused by the attraction of masses towards each other. Do you have a different explanation for this? An 'intelligent falling' theory perhaps? What is your explanation for it and any evidence to support it? I do so hope it is better than your idea of the earth being a tectonically stable.

The Bible , on the other hand, is 100% truth.

That´s a fact jack!!!!

Which Bible do you read? Gideon's? King Jame's? New International? American Standard? One of the ancient greecian manuscripts? Do you have enough hubris to claim that you can understand God's intentions and meanings so that all other interpretations of text are wrong when compared with your own?

 

[peace4all]

There is absolutely no " evidence " that suggests Earth was not intelligently terraformed at one time.

There is also , absolutely NO evidence that proves there isnt an elephant in my closet. Because. Science may show there is no elephant, But, I have faith, and a book that i found called "theres an Elephant in your closet" makes me know its true.

And thats a fact jack!

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

People are starting to realize that science has created more harm than good over the last 400 years (Galileo onwards).

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

People are starting to realize that science has created more harm than good over the last 400 years (Galileo onwards).

I guess you want back to the medieval times, where people needlessly die of tuberculosis and malnutrition and get burned at the stake if they disagree with your exegesis.

For a Christian man , life is not about an unending preocupation with death or cracking the inmortality code or whatever science fiction dreams there might be... rather what kind of life you lead in the Lord.

This morbid obsession with death is typically paganistic.

 

[reznwerks]

reason

Science can´t even explain how gravity works for Pete´s sake !!!!! Let alone
geothermal energy. There is absolutely no " evidence " that suggests Earth was not intelligently terraformed at one time. The massive amounts of energy required to do this naturally would have blown us all to bits some time ago.
So in your world if something cannot be proved false then it must be true. Is this sound reasoning? If so then Santa must exist because I can't prove he doesn't exist. Somewhere in the universe a being such as Santa might exist and until you or I have been to every square inch of the universe we have to accept that possibility.Actually you have fallen into the trap of trying to prove a negative.

As I said, Science is 99.9% bogus theories, 0.1% scientific law. People are starting to realize that science has created more harm than good over the last 400 years (Galileo onwards).
WHO told you this? Science is composed of facts and testable provable results. The only people questioning science are theists and hardcore ones at that.

The Bible , on the other hand, is 100% truth.
If the bible is 100% truth it should be no problem to offer some evidence. When was the last time you saw any biblical science claim in any notable science publication? Truth is hard to hide.

That´s a fact jack!!!!

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

Re: reason

Science can´t even explain how gravity works for Pete´s sake !!!!! Let alone
geothermal energy. There is absolutely no " evidence " that suggests Earth was not intelligently terraformed at one time. The massive amounts of energy required to do this naturally would have blown us all to bits some time ago.
So in your world if something cannot be proved false then it must be true. Is this sound reasoning?

Proved according to whom ? Empiricism ? As I said before : Science is 99 % theory , 1 % science law. As a Christian man, I cannot and will NOT accept scientific crackpots and soothsayers claiming to speak from that 1%. Simply untenable.

 

[jwu]

I guess you want back to the medieval times, where people needlessly die of tuberculosis and malnutrition and get burned at the stake if they disagree with your exegesis.

For a Christian man , life is not about an unending preocupation with death or cracking the inmortality code or whatever science fiction dreams there might be... rather what kind of life you lead in the Lord.

This morbid obsession with death is typically paganistic.

So you condone burning people at the stake, as that is something Christians don't worry about? Would you deny doctors to treat you when you had an accident?
All those "fire and brimstone" preachers seem not to have gotten that memo either.

Proved according to whom ? Empiricism ? As I said before : Science is 99 % theory , 1 % science law. As a Christian man, I cannot and will NOT accept scientific crackpots and soothsayers claiming to speak from that 1%. Simply untenable.

Could you define the terms "scientific theory" and "scientific law"? They don't really mean what you think they do...