[_ Old Earth _] The African & South America Connection

[The Ascetic Crusader]

I guess you want back to the medieval times, where people needlessly die of tuberculosis and malnutrition and get burned at the stake if they disagree with your exegesis.

For a Christian man , life is not about an unending preocupation with death or cracking the inmortality code or whatever science fiction dreams there might be... rather what kind of life you lead in the Lord.

This morbid obsession with death is typically paganistic.

So you condone burning people at the stake, as that is something Christians don't worry about? Would you deny doctors to treat you when you had an accident?All those "fire and brimstone" preachers seem not to have gotten that memo either.

...and so we continue with the "pagan man´s" morbid obsession with death.

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

I guess you want back to the medieval times, where people needlessly die of tuberculosis and malnutrition and get burned at the stake if they disagree with your exegesis.

For a Christian man , life is not about an unending preocupation with death or cracking the inmortality code or whatever science fiction dreams there might be... rather what kind of life you lead in the Lord.

This morbid obsession with death is typically paganistic.

So you condone burning people at the stake, as that is something Christians don't worry about? Would you deny doctors to treat you when you had an accident?
All those "fire and brimstone" preachers seem not to have gotten that memo either.

Proved according to whom ? Empiricism ? As I said before : Science is 99 % theory , 1 % science law. As a Christian man, I cannot and will NOT accept scientific crackpots and soothsayers claiming to speak from that 1%. Simply untenable.

Could you define the terms "scientific theory" and "scientific law"? They don't really mean what you think they do...

According to some, theory is as good as it gets in Science. Laws describe regularities. Scientifically it could be said that "on a clear day at noon the sky is blue" is a scientific law, it's a regularity which occurs reliably beyond reasonable doubt.

Theories however try to explain these regularities , that the sky is blue because of a specific fraction of light or whatever the theoretical flavor of the month may be at the time. That's what science is after all, an empirical "flavor of the month" religion.

 

[reznwerks]

Re: reason

[quote="The Ascetic Crusader":7cc12]Science can´t even explain how gravity works for Pete´s sake !!!!! Let alone
geothermal energy. There is absolutely no " evidence " that suggests Earth was not intelligently terraformed at one time. The massive amounts of energy required to do this naturally would have blown us all to bits some time ago.
So in your world if something cannot be proved false then it must be true. Is this sound reasoning?

Proved according to whom ? Empiricism ? As I said before : Science is 99 % theory , 1 % science law. As a Christian man, I cannot and will NOT accept scientific crackpots and soothsayers claiming to speak from that 1%. Simply untenable.

[/quote:7cc12]
Proved to whom? I would assume proved to anyone who it was presented too.Truth is self evident. If you can't demonstrate this then you have no truth. As to the rest of your response do you understand what science is? The only people making the claims you are are those you referenced in you response. (crackpots and soothsayers) It's science that makes the automobile run, heals the sick, washes your clothes, makes the cell phone work, the planes fly, the paint stick etc etc etc. None are so blind as those who will not see.

 

[jwu]

...and so we continue with the "pagan man´s" morbid obsession with death.

Hpw about adressing the actual points?

Theories however try to explain these regularities , that the sky is blue because of a specific fraction of light or whatever the theoretical flavor of the month may be at the time. That's what science is after all, an empirical "flavor of the month" religion.

Science is self correcting, so occasionally theories are discarded and new ones are made which are better at explaining the phenomena in question. What's wrong with that? In my books it's clearly better than sticking to something that has long since been falsified, just to avoid change for its own sake.

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

Re: reason

It's science that makes the automobile run, heals the sick, washes your clothes, makes the cell phone work, the planes fly, the paint stick etc etc etc. None are so blind as those who will not see.[/color]

Science heals the sick.... hmmmm
Science washes my clothes......hmmmm
Science makes the cell phone work....hmmmm
Science flies planes....hmmmm
Science makes paint stick.....hmmmm

Let´s put this another way...

Before the advent of modern Science (circa 1600 ad)

Were the sick ever healed ?
Were clothes never washed ?
Were long distance letters never written ?
Was long distance transportation ever used ?
Was nothing ever painted ?

Rez, people make due (do) . The gist of the matter is : without The Lord not much is done that is worth doing...

 

[ArtGuy]

...and so we continue with the "pagan man´s" morbid obsession with death.

Are you saying that we shouldn't concern ourselves in the slightest with murder, torture, and physical suffering, on the grounds that these are strictly earthly phenomena? Please don't lob out some snotty answer about my heathen obsession with pagan blah blah blah, I'm asking you a serious question.

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

Please don't lob out some snotty answer about my heathen obsession with pagan blah blah blah, I'm asking you a serious question.

Are you a Christian man Artguy ?

 

[moniker]

...and so we continue with the "pagan man´s" morbid obsession with death.

Obsession with death?! How about obsession with life! A life well lived and to its fullest in order to help serve your fellow man. Would you consider it an improvement if all those people whose lives were saved by vaccinations had died rather than thrive and provide for a better world?

 

[moniker]

Re: reason

Before the advent of modern Science (circa 1600 ad)

Were the sick ever healed? By bloodletters? Well...they did stop being sick after a little while. Otherwise it was your immune system vs nature, and nature had a few legs up
Were clothes never washed? Rarely, and almost never with potable water. Soap was a luxury.
Were long distance letters never written? By the few nobility who were capable of reading and writing.
Was long distance transportation ever used? Define long distance. Noone had ever circumnavigated the globe for instance. Actually they didn't even accept that we were a globe.
Was nothing ever painted? What does that have to do with science?

Rez, people make due. The gist of the matter is : without The Lord not much is done that is worth doing...

Yes, people do make do as we are quite the hearty group. However, why are you shunning your God given intellect, logic, and mind so as to live in squalor without cause nor justification.

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

Would you consider it an improvement if all those people whose lives were saved by vaccinations had died rather than thrive and provide for a better world?

and yet again...the unyielding unending Pagan seduction of death.

 

[moniker]

Would you consider it an improvement if all those people whose lives were saved by vaccinations had died rather than thrive and provide for a better world?

and yet again...the unyielding unending Pagan seduction of death.

You are the one who is obsessing over their deaths, I am the one exemplifying their lives. Why would you wish their good deeds had never occured?

 

[ArtGuy]

Please don't lob out some snotty answer about my heathen obsession with pagan blah blah blah, I'm asking you a serious question.

Are you a Christian man Artguy ?

Yes, though I also vote and think democracy is pretty keen, so take that for what you will.

You going to answer my question now?

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

Are you saying that we shouldn't concern ourselves in the slightest with murder, torture, and physical suffering, on the grounds that these are strictly earthly phenomena? .

Murder, torture and physical suffering must be erradicated through Christian worship, holy compassion and The Bible. It will never end through
paganistic button punching, knob turning and lever tweaking.

 

[ArtGuy]

Are you saying that we shouldn't concern ourselves in the slightest with murder, torture, and physical suffering, on the grounds that these are strictly earthly phenomena? .

Murder, torture and physical suffering must be erradicated through Christian worship, holy compassion and The Bible. It will never end through
paganistic button punching, knob turning and lever tweaking.

I'm sorry, perhaps I'm misreading you. Let's use a specific example.

Assume that a murderer is loose, and has killed 5 people. We expect him to kill more. What is the proper course of action? Should we simply sit at home and pray and read the Bible? Or should we use our police force to hunt down the murderer and put him in prison, so he can't kill any more people?

You seem to be saying that trying to find such a man would be paganistic and evil, and we should instead just pray about it. If so, that hardly seems the most productive means of preventing murder and suffering in this case.

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

Are you saying that we shouldn't concern ourselves in the slightest with murder, torture, and physical suffering, on the grounds that these are strictly earthly phenomena? .

Murder, torture and physical suffering must be erradicated through Christian worship, holy compassion and The Bible. It will never end through
paganistic button punching, knob turning and lever tweaking.

Assume that a murderer is loose, and has killed 5 people..

for Pete´s sake !!!...when will this evil clamp of death on the pagan mind ever end ?

 

[ArtGuy]

...

Fine, assume he's a serial thief. He's stealing from lots of people, thus causing suffering. Happy?

Now answer the question.

Also, take a valium.

 

[reznwerks]

Re: reason

It's science that makes the automobile run, heals the sick, washes your clothes, makes the cell phone work, the planes fly, the paint stick etc etc etc. None are so blind as those who will not see.[/color]

Science heals the sick.... hmmmm
Science washes my clothes......hmmmm
Science makes the cell phone work....hmmmm
Science flies planes....hmmmm
Science makes paint stick.....hmmmm

Let´s put this another way...

Before the advent of modern Science (circa 1600 ad)

Were the sick ever healed ?
Yes but not as often or as well.
Were clothes never washed ?
Yes they were washed but never came out as clean and bright.
Were long distance letters never written ?
Yes but it took months to reach the destination. Now email does it in seconds.
Was long distance transportation ever used ?
Yes but it was long and often dangerous. You can fly coast to coast safely withing hours.
Was nothing ever painted ?
Lots of things were painted but it never stood the test of time or protected it from weather like the products of today. Come out of your shell the world is fine.

Rez, people make due (do) . The gist of the matter is : without The Lord not much is done that is worth doing...
There was this guy that bought a piece of property with a rundown farm on it. With much hard work and sacrafice it wasn't long before the property had increased in value and started to produce a profit. While at church it was pointed out that he should thank God for such wonderful results. The man replied WHY? God had all the time in the world to fix this place up. Only after I bought it and worked it did it change.

 

[The Ascetic Crusader]

Re: reason

It's science that makes the automobile run, heals the sick, washes your clothes, makes the cell phone work, the planes fly, the paint stick etc etc etc. None are so blind as those who will not see.[/color]

Science heals the sick.... hmmmm
Science washes my clothes......hmmmm
Science makes the cell phone work....hmmmm
Science flies planes....hmmmm
Science makes paint stick.....hmmmm

Let´s put this another way...

Before the advent of modern Science (circa 1600 ad)

Were the sick ever healed ?
Yes but not as often or as well.
Were clothes never washed ?
Yes they were washed but never came out as clean and bright.
Were long distance letters never written ?
Yes but it took months to reach the destination. Now email does it in seconds.
Was long distance transportation ever used ?
Yes but it was long and often dangerous. You can fly coast to coast safely withing hours.
Was nothing ever painted ?
Lots of things were painted but it never stood the test of time or protected it from weather like the products of today. Come out of your shell the world is fine.

Rez, people make due (do) . The gist of the matter is : without The Lord not much is done that is worth doing...
There was this guy that bought a piece of property with a rundown farm on it. With much hard work and sacrafice it wasn't long before the property had increased in value and started to produce a profit. While at church it was pointed out that he should thank God for such wonderful results. The man replied WHY? God had all the time in the world to fix this place up. Only after I bought it and worked it did it change.

Please...deliver me form these heathens !!!

Science is 99% crackpot theories, 1 % scientific law. I stand by my claim. Period. Science has done absolutely nothing for God´s people. Nada. Zip.

Science = Smoke n mirrors.

 

[ArtGuy]

Re: reason

Science is 99% crackpot theories, 1 % scientific law. I stand by my claim. Period. Science has done absolutely nothing for God´s people. Nada. Zip.

Science = Smoke n mirrors.

Neglecting for a moment the facts that you pretty clearly don't know what "theory" and "law" mean, and your curious obsession with large fonts, consider this:

Science brought us the printing press. The printing press allowed for large-scale dissemination of the Bible.

Science brought us television. Television allowed for Christian speakers to reach a wider audience.

Science brought us the internet (which you are using right this very minute, you heathen, you). The internet allows Christians from across the world to discuss their faith.

See? Your ridiculous claims don't even stand up in the face of your own twisted form of non-logic.

Of course, you probably know this, since you're pretty clearly a troll. No actual human being could be this colossally lame.

 

[jwu]

Science is 99% crackpot theories, 1 % scientific law. I stand by my claim. Period

*Sigh*
What exactly is wrong with them?

Science has done absolutely nothing for God´s people. Nada. Zip.

Then i suggest you stop using computers and move into a wooden hut that you built with your own hands, using nothing but wooden or stone tools, and eat only self grown food. Just about anything else around you is a product of science.