the anointing

[ezra]

if we focused more on the anointing of the Holy spirit . odds are we would have less problems and be able to reach victory . we have heard it said and we probably said it.that preacher is anointed / empowered .in reality we are all anointed maybe not to preach maybe not to sing. but rest assured we are all anointed ..that is those who are truly saved..the anointing destroys the yoke Isaiah 10:27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.

Christian Standard Bible On that day his burden will fall from your shoulders, and his yoke from your neck. The yoke will be broken because your neck will be too large.

one could even say the anointing is the living water inside of us. ..this is nothing deep just simple our christian walk would be lots better focusing and using the Holy spirit .. i fear many churches are built on mans wisdom and know how and less of the leading the Holy spirit. its not us but christ in us the hope of Glory in the form of the Holy spirit . which can be the still small voice the all consuming fire the refiners fire and the sound as a might rushing wind .the fire purifies makes us as Gold ..God dont make junk :amen

 

[JohnDB]

"Asked if she knew she was in God's grace, she answered, 'If I am not, may God put me there; and if I am, may God so keep me.'"

Joan of Arc at trial

 

[Tessa]

And yet our flesh fights against it. We have to be submissive to the Holy Spirit.
Have you noticed that dwelling on The Holy Spirit brings you contentment ?

 

[ezra]

And yet our flesh fights against it. We have to be submissive to the Holy Spirit.
Have you noticed that dwelling on The Holy Spirit brings you contentment ?

it helps me not long after being saved i was voted in as sunday school supt.... i had a teacher before i got in.that had left church his wife passed away . the church started a young adult class. with a new teacher one who we all loved dearly.. he came back months later asking for his class. i had no idea what to do i read every scripture on being led of the spirit. prayed about it God took care of it he backed of wanting the old class. might i add our teacher was sister Mary who was my 1st grade teacher known as ms Mary... how cool is that she taught with authority the whole class loved her. then her husband had have colon surgery . during the surgery he had a stroke. i then stepped into her shoes started teaching . that was how God brought me into the ministry some close to 20 years ago took the call in 1999 .preached my 1st new years eve watch service . when the big y2k scare was going around .i was at the altar praying before midnight and after.. nothing big disaster wise took place.. i could tell you stories of the preaching services i sit in and seen God move in a big way . seen folks healed sit in a preaching service 2 hours 15 minuets non stop preaching ..yes the Holy spirit makes a difference

 

[Tessa]

The Holy Spirit was guiding you where He wanted you Ezra. He was making sure nothing God in the way as well.
God is amazing.

 

[for_his_glory]

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

2 Corinthians 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; 22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Apart from that anointing we are nothing and have no truth found in us and will teach a carnal knowledge. If we are not abiding in the Holy Spirit then we are none of His. It's only through the Spiritual rebirth that we are then indwelled with the Holy Spirit, but many are not even taught that there even is one.

It takes all the gifts of the Holy Spirit who anoints us and knits us together as one body in Christ. This anointing of the Holy Spirit is a gift from God.

 

[Jim Parker]

if we focused more on the anointing of the Holy spirit . odds are we would have less problems

Jhn 16:33b In the world you will have tribulation;

and be able to reach victory .

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
We will have victory at the resurrection.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
We don't "reach" victory, God gives us victory.

one could even say the anointing is the living water inside of us.

It's what Jesus said.
Jhn 7:38-39a He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive;

its not us but Christ in us the hope of Glory in the form of the Holy spirit

It is not Christ "in the form of the Holy Spirit."
Christ and the Holy Spirit are separate persons of the Trinity, both of whom are in the believer.
Col 1:27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Jhn 14:16-17... I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

I enjoyed Benny Hinn's book The Anointing.


iakov the fool

 

[ezra]

Jhn 16:33b In the world you will have tribulation;

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
We will have victory at the resurrection.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
We don't "reach" victory, God gives us victory.

It's what Jesus said.
Jhn 7:38-39a He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive;

It is not Christ "in the form of the Holy Spirit."
Christ and the Holy Spirit are separate persons of the Trinity, both of whom are in the believer.
Col 1:27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Jhn 14:16-17... I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

I enjoyed Benny Hinn's book The Anointing.


iakov the fool

gnat straining Christ left/ sent the Holy spirit the comforter for us you can keep benny hinn --we wonder why the church is so divided

 

[ezra]

We don't "reach" victory, God gives us victory.

we still reach it

 

[ezra]

Jhn 16:33b In the world you will have tribulation;

you left the key part OUT IN ME you have peace its in him Christ in is the hope of glory working through the holy spirit

 

[Jim Parker]

gnat straining Christ left/ sent the Holy spirit the comforter for us

You said: " if we focused more on the anointing of the Holy spirit . odds are we would have less problems"
And you are correct.
But Jesus did say: In this world we WILL have tribulation
If you think that is "gnat straining" then Jesus is a gnat-strainer.

you can keep benny hinn

Have you read The Anointing? No, right?
Have you personally seen him? Again, no, right?
From what I've seen on tv, I think he does a lousy job at teaching. But, from what I've seen of him at one of his crusades, he is used of God for healing/evangelism (which he states is God's doing, not his.)

we wonder why the church is so divided

Then choose not to divide it.
There was no need to say, "you can keep benny hinn".

 

[ezra]

And you are correct.
But Jesus did say: In this world we WILL have tribulation
If you think that is "gnat straining" then Jesus is a gnat-strainer.

umm it reads 33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. who is the anointing the Holy spirit who is the anointed one? Jesus who sent the spirit
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. so the anointing is a by product from Jesus so who caused or burden to be lifted ? Jesus i am not giving some apostolic oneness doctrine .just like Jesus said him and his father are one . the Trinity is one but each is separate working together .. sort of like cake and ice cream.. leave the cake out and all you have is ice cream . it takes all ingredients to work

Have you read The Anointing? No, right?
Have you personally seen him? Again, no, right?
From what I've seen on tv, I think he does a lousy job at teaching. But, from what I've seen of him at one of his crusades, he is used of God for healing/evangelism (which he states is God's doing, not his

aww but i have listened to him and sen him on t.v take his coat of whirl it around people fall down .. i said you can keep him . i am not a fan of his just like the author of purpose driven church he is a southern baptist minister. i dont care for him either have i met him? no no meeting a person or reading there book has nothing to do with it... far as i can tell i like you as a person area we disagree with .

i didnt make this post to be theologically correct i made it to make a point a burden a yoke can be the same thing .Isaiah says the anointing will destroy the yoke --pretty simple

 

[Jim Parker]

i have listened to him and sen him on t.v

I have too. IMHO, teaching on TV is NOT his calling.

i am not a fan of his just like the author of purpose driven church

HAH! He had a "purpose driven" series. I used to call it "The Purpose Driven Hair Cut."
I never met him either. You point is taken.

Isaiah says the anointing will destroy the yoke --pretty simple

It's how people have joy in the midst of tribulation.
When I hear people talking about "having the victory" I automatically think of Ken Copelend and his "Believer's Voice of Victory" where people can be rich and healthy if they'll just have faith enough to send Ken money.
So maybe I read you wrong.

 

[ezra]

I have too. IMHO, teaching on TV is NOT his calling.

HAH! He had a "purpose driven" series. I used to call it "The Purpose Driven Hair Cut."
I never met him either. You point is taken.

It's how people have joy in the midst of tribulation.
When I hear people talking about "having the victory" I automatically think of Ken Copelend and his "Believer's Voice of Victory" where people can be rich and healthy if they'll just have faith enough to send Ken money.
So maybe I read you wrong.

i dont agree with Copeland either ..i can not go along with health wealth prosperity teaching a shocking thing i read once where vestal and howard goodman used him as a pastor the Happy Goodmans i can listen to all day i got to hear them in person one time .i had a sunday school teacher use to tell us happiness does not depend on happenings she was my young adult teacher /i learned alot from her.. she was also my 1st grade teacher

 

[for_his_glory]

You said: " if we focused more on the anointing of the Holy spirit . odds are we would have less problems"
And you are correct.
But Jesus did say: In this world we WILL have tribulation
If you think that is "gnat straining" then Jesus is a gnat-strainer.

Have you read The Anointing? No, right?
Have you personally seen him? Again, no, right?
From what I've seen on tv, I think he does a lousy job at teaching. But, from what I've seen of him at one of his crusades, he is used of God for healing/evangelism (which he states is God's doing, not his.)

Then choose not to divide it.
There was no need to say, "you can keep benny hinn".

Benny Hinn like so many of these TV preachers (not all) has no anointing as he will hear Jesus say to him I never knew you, Matthew 7:21-23. How do I know this, because I met him and worked in one of his crusades and saw how he runs his own (not God's) ministry. What happens in the background is very different then what you see on the stage. Those who do get healed are not healed by Benny Hinn touching them them or praying over, but are healed by their own faith and belief in Christ alone. I do pray for him and all theses self called TV preachers.

 

[Jim Parker]

Those who do get healed are not healed by Benny Hinn touching them them or praying over, but are healed by their own faith and belief in Christ alone.

I went to two of his crusades and that is exactly what he emphasized repeatedly; he didn't heal anyone - God did. Then he told stories about how often he had totally missed what God was doing and God healed people anyway.
I noted a couple of things about how he ran the crusade.
1. He had a large choir which sang "standard" hymns that glorified God. There were no what I call "fluff" songs, just songs that focused on God and gave Him Glory.
2. When ever he felt that the "anointing" was diminishing, he would have the choir sing again and get people's focus back on God.
3. His microphone was twice as loud as the others. I believe he did this because he knew exactly what he needed and kept control by using the microphone.

It appeared to me as if he was taking the process seriously in order to keep the people focused on God's love and power. I thought he did a good job.

But when I saw him teaching on TV....oi veh. Go back on the sawdust trail, Benny!

 

[for_his_glory]

I went to two of his crusades and that is exactly what he emphasized repeatedly; he didn't heal anyone - God did. Then he told stories about how often he had totally missed what God was doing and God healed people anyway.
I noted a couple of things about how he ran the crusade.
1. He had a large choir which sang "standard" hymns that glorified God. There were no what I call "fluff" songs, just songs that focused on God and gave Him Glory.
2. When ever he felt that the "anointing" was diminishing, he would have the choir sing again and get people's focus back on God.
3. His microphone was twice as loud as the others. I believe he did this because he knew exactly what he needed and kept control by using the microphone.

It appeared to me as if he was taking the process seriously in order to keep the people focused on God's love and power. I thought he did a good job.

But when I saw him teaching on TV....oi veh. Go back on the sawdust trail, Benny!

Like I said, what you see behind closed doors is not what you see on stage. To each their own I guess, but I will never support his ministry again.

 

[Jim Parker]

Like I said, what you see behind closed doors is not what you see on stage. To each their own I guess, but I will never support his ministry again.

I don't support it either.

 

[Razeontherock]

Like I said, what you see behind closed doors is not what you see on stage. To each their own I guess, but I will never support his ministry again.

I heard a radio interview of Benny's son, so I'm aware of at least a little of your unstated concerns.
I just want to issue a broad, general warning (as a believer, not as a moderator) to be VERY cautious about what we say against ministers. Even those we disagree with. Scripture gives us the broad guideline that if Christ is preached, don't oppose them. In our day that can be very difficult! It's so easy to point fingers at thus and such, for this or that. And there are LOTS of "thuses and thats."

I still see this as a very stern rebuke:

"Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Jhn 21:22¶Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me."

Isn't Jesus saying Peter had already stopped following Him just to be able to ask the question? I think so. Gamaliel also instructed not to oppose "the Way," for fear of opposing God.

Lots of people today do the work of an Evangelist, and proclaim Christ, and Him crucified. I don't want to be found opposing God, but that doesn't mean I'll support a ministry I think engages in poor stewardship.

 

[ezra]

I heard a radio interview of Benny's son, so I'm aware of at least a little of your unstated concerns.
I just want to issue a broad, general warning (as a believer, not as a moderator) to be VERY cautious about what we say against ministers. Even those we disagree with. Scripture gives us the broad guideline that if Christ is preached, don't oppose them. In our day that can be very difficult! It's so easy to point fingers at thus and such, for this or that. And there are LOTS of "thuses and thats."

I still see this as a very stern rebuke:

"Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Jhn 21:22¶Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me."

Isn't Jesus saying Peter had already stopped following Him just to be able to ask the question? I think so. Gamaliel also instructed not to oppose "the Way," for fear of opposing God.

Lots of people today do the work of an Evangelist, and proclaim Christ, and Him crucified. I don't want to be found opposing God, but that doesn't mean I'll support a ministry I think engages in poor stewardship.

i can meet you in the middle on this . we are bad if its not our doctrine / flavor preacher to barbecue .heck i probably been roasted a few times in conversation . i have heard ministers from the pulpit literally roast joyce myers black over cooked. a former pastor use to say preaching is like eating chicken eat the meat throw the bones away . i have heard joyce myers say some things that lined up with the Bible . she does get a bit prosperity /money speaking .but i heard her testimony of how she was sexually abused as a child by her dad. years alter she moved him into her house after hearing God speak to her. i dont buy into benny hinn i seen him wave his coat at a choir half them fell out... i have yet to find this being slain in the spirit in the Bible ..i dont buy into his healing lines st his services.i believe in divine healing not divine healers... people are to fast to chase ministries. when we hear see something that does not line up in scripture we are watchmen to sound the trumpet.
Ephesians 5:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

i will not say he is totally in the dark but there are flags of caution to be used . but yes we must be careful of how we judge not salvation but ministry .chose our words carefully .the Bible does say Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm. speaking in this scripture physically harm .i also think in same manner we can apply this spiritually . Jimmy Swaggart for years was hard core on preacher caught in the act of adultery . then he fell the flesh is weak and we must feed our spirit man .to keep the old man crucified /mortified


Galatians 6 King James Version (KJV)
6 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

if they refuse you when going to them in love then you let them be . you done part and God through the Holy Spirit will do his . we all been guilty of roasting at one time or another