Understanding the Holy Spirit Baptism

[MisterE]

Romans 7 is our example.
Doesn't Paul refer to the past in verse 5 ?

The first half of Rom 7 is describing an unbeliever, but the second half of Rom 7 describes Paul as a believer. This is made apparent by the use of EIMI with the Present Tense. It amazes me how so many lay persons can dismiss the grammar of the original Greek. I indicated to you the use of EIMI with Present Tense can ONLY refer to Paul at the present time. Not only that, but I told you that there is no known exception to this rule of grammar. And yet you can just dismissed the grammar of the original language.

 

[Hopeful 2]

The first half of Rom 7 is describing an unbeliever, but the second half of Rom 7 describes Paul as a believer. This is made apparent by the use of EIMI with the Present Tense. It amazes me how so many lay persons can dismiss the grammar of the original Greek. I indicated to you the use of EIMI with Present Tense can ONLY refer to Paul at the present time. Not only that, but I told you that there is no known exception to this rule of grammar. And yet you can just dismissed the grammar of the original language.

I cannot agree with your findings.
Especially since Paul answers his own Rom 7 plaints in other Romans verses.
Rom 7:23 is answered in Rom 8:2.
Rom 7:24 is answered in Rom 6:6.
Those answers show that his plaints were from a time prior to when Rom 7 was written.

 

[live2blive]

The baptism with the Spirit is separate from being saved as well as water baptism.

Baptism in water is a New Testament application and is part of three distinct baptisms that are described in scripture and foreshadowed in the Old Testament.

Paul said,

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Ephesians 4:4-6).

Please notice that now, under the New Covenant, there is ONE baprism, not three. Which one is it?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Paul said,

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Ephesians 4:4-6).

Please notice that now, under the New Covenant, there is ONE baprism, not three. Which one is it?

In the context of Eph. 4, that one baptism is the gift of the Holy Ghost.
That doesn't make it the only baptism.

 

[Dougcho]

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Ephesians 4:4-6).

Please notice that now, under the New Covenant, there is ONE baprism, not three. Which one is it?

There obviously is more than one baptism!
E.G. how about the baptism of fire that Jesus talked about?
IMO, this ONE baptism refers to 1 Cor 12:13,
when a person becomes born-again ...
he/she is baptized by the Holy Spirit into the church.

 

[JLB]

Paul said,

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Ephesians 4:4-6).

Please notice that now, under the New Covenant, there is ONE baprism, not three. Which one is it?

Is there three Gods or one God?


Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Hebrews 6:1-2

 

[live2blive]

In the context of Eph. 4, that one baptism is the gift of the Holy Ghost.
That doesn't make it the only baptism.

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Ephesians 4:4-6).

"One" here means that all other baptisms except the baptism of the Holy Spirit are not important. There is one and only: Spirit, Lord, faith, baptism, Father.

 

[live2blive]

There obviously is more than one baptism!
E.G. how about the baptism of fire that Jesus talked about?
IMO, this ONE baptism refers to 1 Cor 12:13,
when a person becomes born-again ...
he/she is baptized by the Holy Spirit into the church.

Yes, and this is ONE baptism valid under the New Covenant.

 

[live2blive]

Is there three Gods or one God?


Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Hebrews 6:1-2

This is exactly right: let us go on to perfection and move from several baptisms to ONE baptism - not by water, but by Spirit (Acts 11:16; Ephesians 4:4).

 

[JLB]

This is exactly right: let us go on to perfection and move from several baptisms to ONE baptism - not by water, but by Spirit (Acts 11:16; Ephesians 4:4

Is there one God or three Gods?

 

[JLB]

Yes, and this is ONE baptism valid under the New Covenant.

The context is one.

The one baptism that creates one body is certainly not water baptism. In that baptism man is the baptizer.

The one baptism that establishes one body is found in 1 Corinthians 12 verse 13.


For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13

This is the baptism where the Holy Spirit is the Baptizer, in which we are all made to be part of one body, thus made to drink one Spirit.



JLB

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

The “born again” experience
is being baptized into Christ’s church by the Holy Spirit …
“For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body (the church)
… and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 12:13)
In this experience, the Holy Spirit comes INSIDE the believer …
John 14:16-23, Rom. 8:11, 1 Cor. 3:16, Gal. 4:6, 2 Tim. 1:14, 1 John 3:24, 1 John 4:12-16.

The “baptism with the Holy Spirit” experience
is being given an anointing by Jesus Christ (as prophesied by John the Baptist) …
Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33.
In this experience, the Holy Spirit comes UPON the believer …
Luke 24:49, Acts 1:4-8, Acts 2:1-4, Acts 8:14-19, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 11:15-17, Acts 19:6.

Everyone knows when a person is born again, the Holy Spirit comes INSIDE the believer.
Now, let’s look at the 7 passages where the Holy Spirit comes UPON the believer:

”Behold, I send the Promise of My Father UPON you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem
until you are endued with (spiritual) power from on high.” (Luke 24:49)

”… you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. But you shall
receive (spiritual) power when the Holy Spirit has come UPON you” (Acts 1:4-8)

“When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled
the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues,
as of fire, and one sat UPON each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit
and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” (Acts 2:1-4)

“Peter and John … prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
For as yet He had fallen UPON none of them. They had only been baptized
in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received
the Holy Spirit. And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands
the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, saying, “Give me this (spiritual) power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” (Acts 8:14-19)

“While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell UPON all those who heard
the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came
with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out ON the Gentiles also.
For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.” (Acts 10:44-46)

“And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell UPON them, as upon us at the beginning.
Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water,
but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ If therefore God gave them the same
gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ …” (Acts 11:15-17)

“And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came UPON them,
and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.” (Acts 19:6)

So, we see that the baptism with the Holy Spirit occurs when the Holy Spirit
comes UPON a person. These 7 passages reveal that it is called “the Promise”
of the Father, and “the gift” of the Holy Spirit, and is accompanied by such things as:
spiritual power, laying on of hands, filled with the Holy Spirit, tongues, and prophecy.

So, isn’t it obvious that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is a different experience
than being born again? It is called “the second blessing”

Born-again believers are encouraged to seek this baptism of anointing and spiritual power!
If it is required …
remember the Persistent Widow of Luke 18:1-5, and the Ask-Seek-Knock of Matthew 7:7-8.

Eph 5:18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,
Eph 5:19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart,
Eph 5:20 giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 5:21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.

Paul describes the needed results of the filling of the Spirit in our lives: not getting drunk (verse 18a), singing together, constant thanksgiving, and mutual submission. He gives the Corinthians a different list that fits their needs, including the preferable prophecy (preaching) and teaching, both edifying gifts with tongues, which must be interpreted to edify believers, all in 1 Corinthians 12-14 with, of course, his caviat that all gifts must be done in love (chapter 13).

 

[Hopeful 2]

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Ephesians 4:4-6).

"One" here means that all other baptisms except the baptism of the Holy Spirit are not important. There is one and only: Spirit, Lord, faith, baptism, Father.

I cannot agree.
Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, cleanses our past sins. (Acts 2:38, 22:16)
That seems important to me.
Besides, Heb. 6 speaks of multiple baptismS !