[_ Old Earth _] The anthropic principle and faith

[Guest]

You know I don't believe it,but this is one of your fellow evolutionists telling the story and asking all those who want to
challenge him to e-mail him anytime. Are you afraid of a fellow
evolutionist?

You can believe in evolution and in gods also. No one is denying that. However, you are saying that thie guy is lieing about Jesus being a follower of Isis. So if this guy is lieing once, how can you expect anyone to believe the rest of his stuff?

Quath

:B-fly: Thats for you to figure out in your own mind.
The guy wants those with questions to e-mail him.
Of course I believe it's all pure lies made up by ancient
pagans,but your the one who is the atheist and Godfree,so
why not ask questions to find out where this man gets his
information from. Evolution is religion at it's roots. If you borrow
from a religion,then you are religious too,to some degree,and
it takes faith to believe in evolution anyway.

 

[Quath]

Thats for you to figure out in your own mind.
The guy wants those with questions to e-mail him.

So are you trying to say that you believe him on the stuff that backs what you want to be true but don't believe him on everything else?

I doubt pagans came up with the idea of genetics, random mutation, very line span of time and survival of the fittest ideas that are pretty central to evolution. It would be like saying that since people today use Roman Numerals in movie titles, movies were made by the ancient Roman Empire.

Quath

 

[Guest]

Thats for you to figure out in your own mind.
The guy wants those with questions to e-mail him.

So are you trying to say that you believe him on the stuff that backs what you want to be true but don't believe him on everything else?

I doubt pagans came up with the idea of genetics, random mutation, very line span of time and survival of the fittest ideas that are pretty central to evolution. It would be like saying that since people today use Roman Numerals in movie titles, movies were made by the ancient Roman Empire.

Quath

:B-fly: No Quath,I don't believe in evolution at all,but you claim that
you do. Why not find out why your fellow evolutionist believes what he
believes. Why not see if he did any real research or if he is just blowing
boguss claims around. I only believe the part that evolution came from
ancient pagan religions,not neccessarily that one only.
Why not look into why this person is making such claims?

 

[Quath]

No Quath,I don't believe in evolution at all,but you claim that you do. Why not find out why your fellow evolutionist believes what he believes. Why not see if he did any real research or if he is just blowing boguss claims around. I only believe the part that evolution came from ancient pagan religions,not neccessarily that one only.
Why not look into why this person is making such claims?

The website claims that the people then engaged in selective breeding. This is not the theory of evolution. It is just the observation that children resemble their parents. To have evolution, you have to come up with a lot more than just that observation. (Selective breeding breaks evolution since you arte changing the rule from survival of the fittest to survival of some other trait.)

I have looked at what my fellow evolutionists believe. Some seeks to vindicate their religion with it. Some are just doing science such as finding out when humans started wearing clothes by looking at the genetics of lice. Evolution as a science keeps producing more and more great science.

Quath

 

[Guest]

Quath/
I have looked at what my fellow evolutionists believe. Some seeks to vindicate their religion with it. Some are just doing science such as finding out when humans started wearing clothes by looking at the genetics of lice. Evolution as a science keeps producing more and more great science.

Quath

:B-fly: If you believe evolution is a science,but I happen to
disagree. Most christians really like science.

 

[Asimov]

Quath/
I have looked at what my fellow evolutionists believe. Some seeks to vindicate their religion with it. Some are just doing science such as finding out when humans started wearing clothes by looking at the genetics of lice. Evolution as a science keeps producing more and more great science.

Quath

:B-fly: If you believe evolution is a science,but I happen to
disagree. Most christians really like science.

Evolution isn't a belief. Nobody believes in science. Most christians accept evolution too.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Lately I've come to disagree with that. Science is a set of beliefs, but a set of justified beliefs based on study of the natural world, such that they become knowledge, which is best defined as justifiably true beliefs. The only reasonable method to reach such beliefs about anything is a method of rigorous objective inquiry into reality, because only reality can have any authority over itself.

Basing belief on oral or written down teachings and stories is NOT a valid form of inquiry because then you're giving authority to things that are not necessarily based on reality. This sort of belief is religion. It may be false or true, but it is neither verifiable or falsifiable, so it is not valid knowledge.

Therein lies the difference.

 

[BenjaminTC]

It would be conducive with Blueeyeliner's logic to say that because pagan religions also have creation stories that Christianity is also a pagan religion.

 

[Asimov]

Lately I've come to disagree with that. Science is a set of beliefs, but a set of justified beliefs based on study of the natural world, such that they become knowledge, which is best defined as justifiably true beliefs. The only reasonable method to reach such beliefs about anything is a method of rigorous objective inquiry into reality, because only reality can have any authority over itself.

Basing belief on oral or written down teachings and stories is NOT a valid form of inquiry because then you're giving authority to things that are not necessarily based on reality. This sort of belief is religion. It may be false or true, but it is neither verifiable or falsifiable, so it is not valid knowledge.

Therein lies the difference.

I'll concede that Syntax, however I believe :D that it's arguing semantics.

Much like faith in God, and faith that the airplane wont go down in a fiery ball of death.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Perhaps, but it's best not to let the blighters equivocate belief as blind faith.

 

[Guest]

Quath/
I have looked at what my fellow evolutionists believe. Some seeks to vindicate their religion with it. Some are just doing science such as finding out when humans started wearing clothes by looking at the genetics of lice. Evolution as a science keeps producing more and more great science.

Quath

:B-fly: If you believe evolution is a science,but I happen to
disagree. Most christians really like science.

Evolution isn't a belief. Nobody believes in science. Most christians

accept evolution too.

:B-fly: Most christians believe in evolution? WOW! Thats a new one
for me. It is clear you don't even know a fraction of the mumbo jumbo
you babel about.
Science is not evolution. Try to figure that one out if you can.

 

[Quath]

Most christians believe in evolution? WOW! Thats a new one for me. It is clear you don't even know a fraction of the mumbo jumbo you babel about.

From http://www.nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/NewsweekpollUVVA.html:
28% Evangelical Protestants are pro-choice and 68% are pro-life.
56% Non-Evangelical Protestants are pro-choice and 38% are pro-life.
47% Catholics are pro-choice and 49% are pro-life.

Since I do not know the make-up of how many non-evangelical protestants versus other denominations, it is hard to say whether more Christians are pro-choice or pro-life by this poll. However, it does point out that is is very close.

Quath

 

[Guest]

Most christians believe in evolution? WOW! Thats a new one for me. It is clear you don't even know a fraction of the mumbo jumbo you babel about.

From http://www.nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/NewsweekpollUVVA.html:
28% Evangelical Protestants are pro-choice and 68% are pro-life.
56% Non-Evangelical Protestants are pro-choice and 38% are pro-life.
47% Catholics are pro-choice and 49% are pro-life.

Since I do not know the make-up of how many non-evangelical protestants versus other denominations, it is hard to say whether more Christians are pro-choice or pro-life by this poll. However, it does point out that is is very close.

Quath

:wink: So,you put alot of faith in polls? You can find all sorts of polls and
no two will be the same in most cases.

 

[Guest]

Quath"/28% Evangelical Protestants are pro-choice and 68% are pro-life.
56% Non-Evangelical Protestants are pro-choice and 38% are pro-life.
47% Catholics are pro-choice and 49% are pro-life.

Quath

8-) Did you ever hear me tell you that true christianity was on the
rise? Did I say that all those that claim to be religious were all true
christians? The world is becoming much more religious but not with
the truth.Many who say they are christian believe in abortion,and many
of them support gay rights and lesbian behavior. Many who call them-
selves christian believe in shooting a theif or a burgular who breaks in
their house yet are against defending America when she is attacked,no
matter how often. Many who call themselves christian don't feel it's very
wrong to have sex with people you are not married to,and have no legal
right to be with. Many so called christians don't help the poor or the needy
and many of them don't make a stand for the Lord Jesus Christ.
It is the true christians who appear to be invisible to the world right now,
who will truly be missed when they are taken in the rapture. America will
change forever when this happens.
You cannot believe everyone on the planet who claims to be christian.

 

[Quath]

So,you put alot of faith in polls? You can find all sorts of polls and no two will be the same in most cases.

You have no faith in evidence.

Do you think these scientists lied on the polls? Do you think they really were Christian creationists and 95% lied to say they supported evolution and half of them lied to say they did not believe in God?

The world is becoming much more religious but not with
the truth.

Then why do polls show that atheism is on the rise? Unless you are going to say that lack of a religion is a religion?!?

Quath

 

[Guest]

So,you put alot of faith in polls? You can find all sorts of polls and no two will be the same in most cases.

You have no faith in evidence.

Do you think these scientists lied on the polls? Do you think they really were Christian creationists and 95% lied to say they supported evolution and half of them lied to say they did not believe in God?

The world is becoming much more religious but not with
the truth.

Then why do polls show that atheism is on the rise? Unless you are going to say that lack of a religion is a religion?!?

Quath

:B-fly: I love evidence.I'd love to see you show us some evolution.
How do you know which polls are correct?
If what you say is true,you must not be reading the right ones.

 

[Quath]

I love evidence.I'd love to see you show us some evolution.

Flu shots are updated yearly to take into account flu viruses that have evolved to be resistant to last year's flu shots.

How do you know which polls are correct?
If what you say is true,you must not be reading the right ones.

I look at number of samples, how they are samples and questions asked if I am in doubt. However, I do not throw them away just because I want to believe differently. If you do not trust Gallop polls, I am not sure what kind of polls you will believe.

Quath

 

[Guest]

I love evidence.I'd love to see you show us some evolution.

Flu shots are updated yearly to take into account flu viruses that have evolved to be resistant to last year's flu shots.

How do you know which polls are correct?
If what you say is true,you must not be reading the right ones.

I look at number of samples, how they are samples and questions asked if I am in doubt. However, I do not throw them away just because I want to believe differently. If you do not trust Gallop polls, I am not sure what kind of polls you will believe.

Quath

8-) Quath,sicknesses and diseases become worse the more people
do things that break down their restistence to them. The immune system
can only do so much when people are so careless. Spreading and sharing
of DNA is much more common today. people are not showing a great
interest in slowing down on that one tiny bit.
DNA is not evolution. Mixing your DNA,and catching the same bugs year
after year will break down your resistence to illness.
When my children are all in home school we don't ever catch even a cold
at our house. When they went to public school,we all got sick.
DNA was not meant to be shared in excess like it is today,and sin makes
us literally sick. Thats not evolution.
Things that make us sick are also not evolution.
Polls are only as good as the people who participate in them.
perhaps some are accurate,but many are most likely not,because only
so many people answer the questions. You do not know their biases,and
you cannot live your life around polls.
Do you view your world through the polls?