The Antichrist compared to the Catholic pseudo church

[Sam21]

What is the Biblical definition of antichrist?

Chapter and verse please?

1 John2:18 you(church)have heard(common knowledge) that antichrist(a single individual)comes(the church is to expect the coming of the antichrist.
ANTICHRIST=an opponent of the Messiah(Christ).

 

[reba]

1 John2:18 you(church)have heard(common knowledge) that antichrist(a single individual)comes(the church is to expect the coming of the antichrist.
ANTICHRIST=an opponent of the Messiah(Christ).

Sam what translation is that?

 

[Sam21]

Sam what translation is that?

I am using a Greek-English New Testament numerically coded to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.

 

[reba]

Hey thanks Sam

Did ya post the whole verse?

 

[theLords]

I am using a Greek-English New Testament numerically coded to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.

Neat-O! Did you get that at the Christian Bookstore or online?

 

[Pizzaguy]

So a parishioner is culpable for a priest's sin?

Wow.

You are new here, he's REAL GOOD at using Bible verses to beat up on people.

 

[Stormcrow]

Here's the whole verse:

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. 1 John 2:18 (NASB)
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And a couple of verses later:

Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22 (NASB)
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Clearly, anyone who denies the Father and the Son is the antichrist. The world is full of them. See also: Islam, Atheism, Humanism, Communism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jehovah's Witnesses, et al.

Given the list of those blatantly anctichrist above, isn't it interesting that people still insist on calling the Pope antichrist when the RCC and Papacy believe this?

Nicene Creed

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all that is, seen and unseen.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation, he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Amen.[/FONT]

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To whom it may concern:

Stop the Pope-bashing. Stop the Catholic-bashing. It's ignorant, unscriptural, and very unchristian.

IMHO.

 

[Stormcrow]

You are new here, he's REAL GOOD at using Bible verses to beat up on people.

His tone reminds me of someone else I butted heads with, on another board, who called himself "SpiritofProphecy."

I'll just leave it at that. :nod

 

[kiwimac]

David Stewart is NOT a good role model. He is a criminal to begin with and then his writings leave much to be desired.

 

[Sinthesis]

You are new here, he's REAL GOOD at using Bible verses to beat up on people.

Yet with atrocious communication skills. It's called proof-texting. Go figure.

In this particular case he could only imply the slander that the papacy partakes in and approves of child molestation. As if only members of the RCC were guilty of that sin. The scriptural references are out of context and provided only to justify the condemnation of anyone the user intends to judge. The challenge still stands. What do the anti-catholic conspiracy-theorists say the papacy is doing today that is satanic in nature?

 

[reba]

This is all the Scriptures say about anitchrist...anything more is man talking..Do we ignore His Word and add our own? What else has man changed in Scripture to fit a pet doctrine?

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

[Pizzaguy]

Given the list of those blatantly anctichrist above, isn't it interesting that people still insist on calling the Pope antichrist when the RCC and Papacy believe this?

Nicene Creed

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all that is, seen and unseen.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation, he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Amen.[/FONT]

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To whom it may concern:

Stop the Pope-bashing. Stop the Catholic-bashing. It's ignorant, unscriptural, and very unchristian.

IMHO.

I have some disagreements with the RCC, to be sure. But, the constant "anti-RCC" threads here are harmful, overall, to the body of Christ.

 

[reba]

I have some disagreements with the RCC, to be sure. But, the constant "anti-RCC" threads here are harmful, overall, to the body of Christ.

Agreed

 

[Sam21]

Hey thanks Sam

Did ya post the whole verse?

I only posted the first part of the verse(1John2:18) on purpose because I have noticed that people are not really looking at what John had to say about the antichrist. We have to first recognize that John did indeed state that the church was aware of the doctrine that THE antichrist(individual)WAS coming. Because John went on to mention MANY antchrists as evidence to him that the end must be near does not void out the original statement by John that THE ANTICHRIST SHALL COME. In other words,John was saying that at the end of the age there will be an antichrist and that he had noticed that many people were antichrist, to him this was evidence that the end was near(John did not know the time factor).

 

[Sam21]

Neat-O! Did you get that at the Christian Bookstore or online?

It has been so long ago I can't even remember,it is so worn out with use that it is about to fall apart,guess I will have to get me another copy.

 

[Lehigh3]

The things in Revelation HAVE NOT TAKEN PLACE, so the book is either something yet to occur or false,only two options. The book of Revelation does contain symbols,however no amount of symbolizing can create the concept that all of Revelation occurred in the first century.

That's a major mistake imo. The symbols in Revelation only describe in apocalyptic language the events.

You are saying that God cannot relate TIME to man- namely to John who was told to "write" in Revelation.:shocked!

Revelation 1:1-3 NKJV,
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

AND, Luther did some good works- but naming the pope the antichrist wasn't one of them.
I read that he tried to present that assertion to the Jews, thinking they would accept it - but he was wrong! And Luther's last writing, a few days before his death, he expressed contempt & disdain against the Jews. And Hitler was so very happy to be influenced by that writing about the Jews.

But it's for sure, the Jews knew better about scripture to believe what happened to them in AD70 was the result of the Pope centuries later!

 

[Pizzaguy]

AND, Luther did some good works- but naming the pope the antichrist wasn't one of them.

James Burke asserts that Luther was actually trying to save the RCC from itself, that he didn't expect the advent of the printing press to cause the revolution it did.

Burke says that Luther just wanted to inspire a little reform within the RCC.

(Of course, this is all one man's opinion, but Burke DID research the issue for some time before writing his book and producing his landmark TV series on history.)

 

[Mike]

I'm going to lock this up. It probably won't be permanent, but we'll need to do some cleaning up and allow a cooling-off period.

My goodness.

 

[reba]

This thread has been cleaned up. Some discussion of RCC is allowed here. Hate filled
retoric is not. My goodness indeed!

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[reba]

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