The Author of salvation to those obeying Him !

[savedbygrace57]

drew:

The problem with this argument is that it simply assumes that a specific set of individuals is what the "seed" denotes

It is, the seed of abraham..gen 17:

5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Paul is talking about nations and races, not specific persons. And I suggest that such is indeed the case

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True, but still its individuals within those nations and races..i.e

rev 5:

9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

That group here is the redeemed seed of abraham, the same group of gen 17:5 that abraham was made a Father to..

 

[glorydaz]

The seed of Abraham...they come by faith.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[savedbygrace57]

The seed of Abraham...they come by faith.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The seed of abraham is guarenteed faith..its a gift to them, them alone, paul calls it the faith of Gods elect titus 1:


1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

 

[Elijah674]

That is where we totally differ. I believe & BELIEVE in the work[work] also of studying the OT. (Matt. 4:4) And the Eccl. verses (1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 as well) I do not need it in printed out form other than what has been stated.. what has been is now and what is to be has already been. + (bottom/line)

In other words that first sermon Christ preached Adam & Eve on their first day of life was a warning of satan in the garden. That is what we have had repeated over & over throughout All of His Word.. to stay away from satan & crew! The Jer. 17:5 verse which is often repeated by me is such one of many.
Using you'ins logic, just think of the knowledge that satan has! It seems
more than stupid to go learn from him through others, while one knows that he or they are teaching his junk? Whatever, but the gal (or guy) as Eve it seems was just curious, huh?? Or perhaps she thought being created very good she was O.S.A.S. Yes, I know that she
(Eve) was deceived, but look at your reason for going on the devils ground in your postings.

It seems to me that the Rev. 18:4 ones just do not let the truth sink in with most ones! And the John 10:16 one??? Why must Christ bring them out if He was in those 'folds'??? And when He is not.. who is?? We just cannot send these ignorant babes who even think that they are teachers?? To go inside the Rev. 3:9 bunch to study!

--Elijah

 

[francisdesales]

Abraham is our father, and not because we are Jews...

Who said anything about abraham being our father because one is a jew ?

God made abraham a Father of many nations back in gen 17 5..this is spiritual not by the flesh, for abraham is not a father of many nations by being a fleshly jew..for by being a jew he was the father of only one nation, but the promise is a father of many nations..

Mine is a leading comment that is supposed to make you realize that ANYONE WITH FAITH is a seed of Abraham. The promise is made to all those who are spiritual Jews, whose heart has been spiritually circumcised (Romans 2). You have the knowledge, now it is a matter of following it to its logical conclusion.

Thus, the Seed of Abraham is ANYONE who responds to the Gospel of Love. ANYONE has the potential to be such a seed, since the Gospel is pronounced throughout the world and made available to EVERYONE, since Jesus died for ALL men. If Jesus only died for a few men, there would be no need to go out to all the world and spread the Gospel... God desires all men to be saved AND come to the knowledge of the truth. God is pleased by those who seek him in faith. Abraham is our father in faith, not by natural means.

Regards

 

[savedbygrace57]

fran

Mine is a leading comment that is supposed to make you realize that ANYONE WITH FAITH is a seed of Abraham.

What about them who dont have faith ? 2 thess 3:2

And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

Hence, all men are not the seed of abraham for whom christ died..

 

[francisdesales]

What about them who dont have faith ? 2 thess 3:2

And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

Hence, all men are not the seed of abraham for whom christ died..

I said everyone with faith, I didn't say everyone is saved. Christ died for all, but only those with faith will answer the call to "put on Christ" and become saved.

 

[savedbygrace57]

fran:

I said everyone with faith,

And paul said 2 thess 3:2

And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

 

[francisdesales]

fran:

I said everyone with faith,

And paul said 2 thess 3:2

And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

Yes, I know and have said that...

 

[savedbygrace57]

fran:

I said everyone with faith,

And paul said 2 thess 3:2

And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

Yes, I know and have said that...

Ok then, those who dont have faith given them are obviously not of the seed of abraham for which christ died.for all the seed of abraham will be given faith to believe ot trust..

 

[francisdesales]

Ok then, those who dont have faith given them are obviously not of the seed of abraham for which christ died.for all the seed of abraham will be given faith to believe ot trust..

All men have been given the seed of faith, according to another of your recent posts.

 

[savedbygrace57]

fran:

All men have been given the seed of faith

No they have not, only the elect of God, the seed of abraham are given faith, like their father was given faith..

 

[chestertonrules]

fran:

All men have been given the seed of faith

No they have not, only the elect of God, the seed of abraham are given faith, like their father was given faith..

The elect are those who respond to God's grace, which has appeared to all men. God knows what decisions and actions will comprise our lives. He elects those who accept his grace and respond to his call.

Titus 2:11
11For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.

John 12
31Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself." 33He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.

1 Peter 1
To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

 

[savedbygrace57]

chest:

The elect are those who respond to God's grace,

I have never read a verse that says that, can you please provide it..

 

[francisdesales]

All men have been given the seed of faith

No they have not, only the elect of God, the seed of abraham are given faith, like their father was given faith..

Then you contradicted yourself, since you said all men have been given the seed of faith...

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Re: He died for the seed of abraham
by savedbygrace57 on Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:19 am

God promises to work in them and cause them to be well pleasing in His sight, and we know that without Faith its impossible to be well pleasing in Gods sight , hence God promises to give all the seed Faith..

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And you wonder why I cannot understand your point?

Have you read the parable of the sower and the seed?

The seed falls EVERYWHERE. God desires ALL men to be saved. And Christ died for the sin of the WORLD.

Can you point to verses that say that God does not desire all men to be saved or that Christ willingly left out while on the cross?

 

[savedbygrace57]

franc:

Then you contradicted yourself, since you said all men have been given the seed of faith...

Please provide us with the quote when I said that statement, for i dont recall saying that, because i dont believe that..

 

[chestertonrules]

chest:

The elect are those who respond to God's grace,

I have never read a verse that says that, can you please provide it..

John 15:10
If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

Rev 3:20
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.

Luke 12:36, 37
"Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when he comes and knocks. "Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them.

Gal 6
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

1 Cor 15:58
Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your toil is not in vain in the Lord.

Matt 10:22
"You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.

Matt 7:21
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

 

[savedbygrace57]

chester:

John 15:10
If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

Thats a promise for the elect to keep Gods ways..The covenant supplies that ezk 36:

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

 

[chestertonrules]

chester:

John 15:10
If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

Thats a promise for the elect to keep Gods ways..

That's not what the bible says. It says IF YOU OBEY MY COMMANDS!

You ignored the rest of the verses which confirm this understanding.


His burden is light, but it is still a burden! We need God's grace to be saved, and we have it. Now what will you choose?


Rev 3:20
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.

Luke 12:36, 37
"Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when he comes and knocks. "Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them.

Gal 6
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

1 Cor 15:58
Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your toil is not in vain in the Lord.

Matt 10:22
"You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.

Matt 7:21
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

 

[savedbygrace57]

chester:

That's not what the bible says. It says IF YOU OBEY MY COMMANDS!

And they will if they are elect ezk 36:

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.