Bible Study The Bible & Suicide

[Chopper]

Then Saul said to his armorbearer, "Draw your sword, and thrust me through with it, lest these uncircumcised men come and thrust me through and abuse me." But his armorbearer would not, for he was greatly afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword and fell on it. 5 And when his armorbearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword, and died with him. 1 Samuel 31:4-5

So that made it right? I see that as a selfish move to bypass what his Lord would have wanted. It could have turned out completely different. We'll never know. That's the problem with suicide, we never know how our creative, loving God would respond if the person left death up to God rather than themselves.

 

[Northman]

Absolutely! It is an attack on the residing place and ministry place of our Savior. We are saved for a purpose. It is the will of God how we should life and glorify Him in our lives. We are bought with the price of our suffering Savior. For us to decide to end our suffering is not our to decide. Suffering the trials of war, or anything else is to the glory of the Almighty. To end my life would be the most selfish thing that I could ever do. My family would just begin to suffer anguish and hurt because of my premature death. I can not and must not end the life that the Almighty God created. I belong to Him, not me.

Cant say i am in agreement, but thank you for the explanation.

 

[Chopper]

Cant say i am in agreement, but thank you for the explanation.

That's OK my North of Maine friend. Hey, Spring is right around the corner, I think, I just left Buckfield, Maine, about 60 miles north of Lewiston. The day before I got there, 14 inches of snow fell. Spring for my Son will be June.

 

[for_his_glory]

Those who contemplate suicide are caught up in three devastating feelings: hurt, abandonment and doubt as they feel no hope of the future. If they do not have a relationship with Christ through
that of a Spiritual rebirth, John 3:3-7, then they are already destined to go to the lake of fire as their names are not found in the Lambs book of Life and will come under Gods judgement.

Many Christians who are weak in faith also contemplate suicide when things get unbearable in their life because they become consumed with their problems leaning on their own understandings
instead of leaning on God whom is their help in times of trouble. This allows Satan who comes to kill, steal and destroy prey on them and steal what little faith they have.

The question is, even if they have weak faith do they still go to Hell if they commit suicide? I think it is possible because they lost all faith and hope in God therefore leaving themselves void of
God in their life, which would cause them to be separated from God as they turn from that faith which is Christ Jesus. We also have Gods commandment thou shall not kill. God will forgive a
murder who repents, but where is repentance if you are dead and can no longer ask for it. It repented (having regretted) Judas that he sold out for that of riches and even though he gave the
money back he went and hung himself, Matthew 27:3-5, instead of asking Jesus to forgive him instead.

We also have heard that our sins are forgiven past, present and future for Christ paid the price for all sin even though we fall short at times, but grace keeps us in that of Gods righteousness
which is found in us and God knows the intents of our hearts. If one ask for forgiveness before they sin are they forgiven? Answer to that in my perspective would be why would one sin willingly
knowing they are going to sin. Grace does not give us a license to sin.

God is the life giver and in Him are we made in His image. Who has that right to take away what God has given.

Psalms 33:18 Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;
Psalms 33:19 To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.
Psalms 33:20 Our soul waiteth for the LORD: he is our help and our shield.
Psalms 33:21 For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name.
Psalms 33:22 Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in

1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Proverbs 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
Proverbs 3:2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
Proverbs 3:3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
Proverbs 3:4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Proverbs 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

 

[jasonc]

nt

You and I both know that the Lord God is the final Judge. My opinion or yours matters little. He looks on the heart of each individual and makes His final decision on what He sees there. Yahweh is a just God! He loves those who love Him. The heart of man is an open book to the Lord. His just penalty's and rewards are based on what He determines our heart tell Him.

you have made a logical fallacy. no true Scotsman would. uhm 1 corinithians 7 is talking about what sin? fornication.

therefore fornication is also blaspheme against the holy ghost. how many Christians commit that? a lot. I understand and never said it wasn't a sin. just how you say that no real Christian would do that. Christians do falter. if you can show me that we don't fornicate then you have made the case. but we know that Christians fornicate, adulterate. theres drivers for any addiction or sin that satan uses. that doesn't justify the sin just that sometimes we must look at them to understand why we do what we do.

read what I said about porn and what drew me there in the mens forum.

so you would be happy and or depressed if you lost your grandchildren. I know people greater in the faith then me have their faith shaken and still served but I know they were down and depressed. they choose to serve but I know it wasn't easy. sometimes we might fail to do that. in my case since I hate emotions, and others I have met recently have said the same it makes us vulnerable to this. because we don't want to share our pain let alone feel it. does that make one any less of a Christian?

what you see Christ_empowered praying for healing. I have in part prayed. its the reason I came to Christ. not because of I was a sinner and hellion. though I did some of that, but because I saw my life wasn't where I wanted it and so I asked god to heal me and repented of my sins.

 

[Lewis]

A very emotional, heart wrenching topic.

God has kept me from a great deal of sin and death itself.
Too many times to count.
Would he not to it for you?

Would God allow me to kill my wife and kids and then myself because I took a prescription drug as ordered my a doctor?
If God can take me off drugs...
If God can take me off alcohol..
If God can turn around a life headed straight for hell...

Then God can prevent me from killing myself and my family.
Is this any different than being a practicing homosexual?
Should one be a sin against God and not the other?

How about my church members that were shot by the husband and dad. A girl and a boy and their mother. We had 3 bodies in the front of my church, and we had the shooters body the next day. He became wheelchair ridden and he and his wife separated so he could not bear the thought of her with another man, a walking man, so he killed her and the kids then himself. Very selfish.

 

[jasonc]

How about my church members that were shot the husband and dad. A girl and a boy and their mother. We had 3 bodies in the front of my church, and we had the shooters body the next day. He became wheelchair ridden and he and his wife separated so he could not bear the thought of her with another man, a walking man, so he killed her and the kids then himself. Very selfish.

theres probably a history of spousal abuse. selfish wouldn't be the term I would use.

 

[JLB]

So that made it right? I see that as a selfish move to bypass what his Lord would have wanted. It could have turned out completely different. We'll never know. That's the problem with suicide, we never know how our creative, loving God would respond if the person left death up to God rather than themselves.

I disagree.

The Lord foretold the outcome through Samuel. Even though Samuel had passed on.

Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do." 16 Then Samuel said: "Why then do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17 And the Lord has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines."
1 Samuel 28:15-19

Key phrase -

tomorrow you and your sons will be with me.

Samuel was in Paradise, which is to say Abraham's Bosom, down in the heart of the earth.

JLB

 

[jasonc]

I disagree.

The Lord foretold the outcome through Samuel. Even though Samuel had passed on.

Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do." 16 Then Samuel said: "Why then do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17 And the Lord has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also deliver the army of Israel into the hand of the Philistines."
1 Samuel 28:15-19

Key phrase -

tomorrow you and your sons will be with me.

Samuel was in Paradise, which is to say Abraham's Bosom, down in the heart of the earth.

JLB

that wasn't Samuel and saul being in rebellion would go to sheol on the side of the tzadddik.this man who most of his reign tried to kill King David and whom the Spirit of the Lord departed from will be in that part of sheol?

 

[JLB]

Those who contemplate suicide are caught up in three devastating feelings: hurt, abandonment and doubt as they feel no hope of the future. If they do not have a relationship with Christ through
that of a Spiritual rebirth, John 3:3-7, then they are already destined to go to the lake of fire as their names are not found in the Lambs book of Life and will come under Gods judgement.

Many Christians who are weak in faith also contemplate suicide when things get unbearable in their life because they become consumed with their problems leaning on their own understandings
instead of leaning on God whom is their help in times of trouble. This allows Satan who comes to kill, steal and destroy prey on them and steal what little faith they have.

The question is, even if they have weak faith do they still go to Hell if they commit suicide? I think it is possible because they lost all faith and hope in God therefore leaving themselves void of
God in their life, which would cause them to be separated from God as they turn from that faith which is Christ Jesus. We also have Gods commandment thou shall not kill. God will forgive a
murder who repents, but where is repentance if you are dead and can no longer ask for it. It repented (having regretted) Judas that he sold out for that of riches and even though he gave the
money back he went and hung himself, Matthew 27:3-5, instead of asking Jesus to forgive him instead.

We also have heard that our sins are forgiven past, present and future for Christ paid the price for all sin even though we fall short at times, but grace keeps us in that of Gods righteousness
which is found in us and God knows the intents of our hearts. If one ask for forgiveness before they sin are they forgiven? Answer to that in my perspective would be why would one sin willingly
knowing they are going to sin. Grace does not give us a license to sin.

God is the life giver and in Him are we made in His image. Who has that right to take away what God has given.

Psalms 33:18 Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;
Psalms 33:19 To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.
Psalms 33:20 Our soul waiteth for the LORD: he is our help and our shield.
Psalms 33:21 For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name.
Psalms 33:22 Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in

1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Proverbs 3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
Proverbs 3:2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
Proverbs 3:3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
Proverbs 3:4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Proverbs 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Saul died with the hope and faith in Gods word through the Prophet Samuel.

Saul knew he would would be with Samuel when he died, though he committed suicide on the battlefield.

 

[JLB]

that wasn't Samuel and saul being in rebellion would go to sheol on the side of the tzadddik.this man who most of his reign tried to kill King David and whom the Spirit of the Lord departed from will be in that part of sheol?

You will be with me?

So you are saying Samuel was in hell?

 

[jasonc]

You will be with me?

So you are saying Samuel was in hell?

a familiar spirit. not Samuel. saul never repented how could he be in that part of sheol if he died in sin. theres no verses that says he did. saul had the Spirit of the Lord depart from him so where was he then? can a man die in his sins and be in heaven?

 

[Lewis]

Jason that was selfish very selfish. He did not want anybody else to have her. And felt less than a man because could not walk anymore from being hit by car. So yes it was selfish

 

[jasonc]

Jason that was selfish very selfish. He did not want anybody else to have her. And felt less than a man because could not walk anymore from being hit by car. So yes it was selfish

ok so you personally know that he never hit them before that one day because he was selfish and disabled he just decided to kill her and himself and his kids? one day just decided. uhm I find that unlikely. selfish possibly but to kill over that is more likely from his tendecy to hit them. my wifes ex husband isn't selfish like that just whacko when he told her that line. you will die before any other has you. he assaulted her and monica and raped on of their friends.

 

[Lewis]

No Jason it had been brewing in his mind for a while. And he was living alone.

 

[jasonc]

No Jason it had been brewing in his mind for a while. And he was living alone.

ok neither of really knows why he did it fully but im basing my opinion on the fact of men whom abuser their spouses act. that was a control issue. do you know if she threatened to leave him? I bet that was said and she tried and he took them out.

 

[Northman]

a familiar spirit. not Samuel. saul never repented how could he be in that part of sheol if he died in sin. theres no verses that says he did. saul had the Spirit of the Lord depart from him so where was he then? can a man die in his sins and be in heaven?

Can a familiar spirit prophesy?

 

[jasonc]

Can a familiar spirit prophesy?

if the lord allows. remember whom conjuried him up. a witch. so that means god would have to send that person at the request of saul. the witch of endor had sway with god?

 

[Lewis]

Yes she had left him. He was watching the kids and she went pick them up after work. And he made it so she would have to come in. He had already killed the kids, then he shot her in the head and then himself

 

[jasonc]

Yes she had left him. He was watching the kids and she went pick them up after work. And he made it so she would have to come in. He had already killed the kids, then he shot her in the head and then himself

then well he was a pig. I would say the curse word over the phone but well I cant. a dirtbag is putting it midly.