Bible Study The Bible & Suicide

[jasonc]

Jason,

You have your opinion.

I will stick to what the scriptures teach.

Saul's suicide on the battlefield does not mean that suicide is acceptable to God, it does however address one aspect of it though, and for that reason I posted what the scriptures have to say about Saul.


Samuel specifically says; you and your sons will be with me.

Saul committed suicide.

Saul went to be with Samuel in Paradise.

Does that mean every suicide goes to be with God's people. No.

It means in the case of Saul, that He went to be with God's people in Paradise.

If a grieving parent asked me my advice about a child of theirs that was a christian and committed suicide, and was taught that their child was definitely in hell, I would share with them what the scriptures teach here about Saul.

These scriptures do not cover every persons case who commits suicide, but it does deal with the myth that every person who commits suicide goes to hell.


JLB

I disagree with that, why? because in order to be able to have the priest inquire an offering must be made. god refused that offering. that says a lot. he had sin in his heart and god said oh its you again?! get out of my face, you wicked man. repent and I will talk but he didn't.

 

[Chopper]

If someone were contemplating suicide and they came to this thread looking for answers, would they find them?
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I would hope that they would get the message not to commit murder on them self.

 

[jasonc]

I would hope that they would get the message not to commit murder on them self.

how by saying its a sin. you haven't mentione hope. just well its a sin. does god really work like that? not all the time. with me he hasn't , he used my nature and reactions to this thread to teach me things , but in the past hell wasn't even a thought, just that its not going to deliver me from the issue. how about saying don't do it and look to jesus and walk them through on when and why god is good. im hurting now but I could do that if he allows me. my issues are primarily things that must be dealt with from strongholds and bad thought patterns. I should do a thread on self rejection, hating of emotions etc and inner healing.

 

[Northman]

It would only be for the lack of discernment, my friend. There are those of us that have considered it for better than forty years now and we have made the trip and we will make it. Until you've, as a lost man, gotten your very best friend drunk and killed, found him blown into more pieces than you can count, awakened so many nights in the past forty years with his head in an ammo box looking at you, you cannot know the real desire to die. But as I said, there are members here that have made this and even worse trips, and succeeded.

I hear you. The answer i gave was in response directly to what gary was saying. Someone coming in looking for answers on suicide isnt going to be a person too big on discernment.

 

[jasonc]

I hear you. The answer i gave was in response directly to what gary was saying. Someone coming in looking for answers on suicide isnt going to be a person too big on discernment.

thus why I pray whenever I hear I want to end my life and let the lord speak. flesh will come out. talking is sometimes the best thing. I have talked my wife out of doing it. a member here has texted me and told me that he was thinking about it. and well that was an interesting talk/text and sharing of our common hurts.

 

[th1b.taylor]

how by saying its a sin. you haven't mentione hope. just well its a sin. does god really work like that? not all the time. with me he hasn't , he used my nature and reactions to this thread to teach me things , but in the past hell wasn't even a thought, just that its not going to deliver me from the issue. how about saying don't do it and look to jesus and walk them through on when and why god is good. im hurting now but I could do that if he allows me. my issues are primarily things that must be dealt with from strongholds and bad thought patterns. I should do a thread on self rejection, hating of emotions etc and inner healing.

Jason,
The night I found Paul is the night i heard God speak to me. Without God, I was a dead man walking and without God I was going to die. When a man reaches that point, there is no such thing as, the,
intangible, hope.

 

[jasonc]

I understand that.

 

[reba]

Joh_15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Reba,
There is nothing sadder than the man that loved his friends so much that he died in their stead and that is bravery. I've moved such to Graves and Regestration and there is no more loved or respected men in this world. There can never be enough homage paid to these. They did not wish anyone to die.

God bless young lady.

Nice to have a few folks around here older then me

 

[Chopper]

how by saying its a sin. you haven't mentione hope. just well its a sin. does god really work like that? not all the time. with me he hasn't , he used my nature and reactions to this thread to teach me things , but in the past hell wasn't even a thought, just that its not going to deliver me from the issue. how about saying don't do it and look to jesus and walk them through on when and why god is good. im hurting now but I could do that if he allows me. my issues are primarily things that must be dealt with from strongholds and bad thought patterns. I should do a thread on self rejection, hating of emotions etc and inner healing.

I think that If you check my previous posts I have mentioned things other than death.

 

[JLB]

I disagree with that, why? because in order to be able to have the priest inquire an offering must be made. god refused that offering. that says a lot. he had sin in his heart and god said oh its you again?! get out of my face, you wicked man. repent and I will talk but he didn't.

More opinion?

No Scripture.

 

[Lewis]

So what is all of you guy's opinion will you go to hell for committing murder against yourself. Because even if you kill yourself it is still murder. And you are not around in the body to ask God for forgiveness. And if you are saved and do it''''''I just don't know what to say.

 

[jasonc]

More opinion?

No Scripture.

sure per you he just busts into the Holy of Holies and god said nothing and didn't slay him. see 1 Samuel 28. where it says the urim and thurim (the priests had to be holy to even ask) and then the other way by prophet and those men without sin got no response.

And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

oh but so you say that i don't need to be right with god nor any Hebrew nor then or any man to be in heaven?

Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the Lord is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?

per you, you believe that Samuel was the real man brought back and here is saying to the man Saul what is facts. so which is it? he was right with god when he died?or not?

 

[jasonc]

So what is all of you guy's opinion will you go to hell for committing murder against yourself. Because even if you kill yourself it is still murder. And you are not around in the body to ask God for forgiveness. And if you are saved and do it''''''I just don't know what to say.

if we take that way. what of any unrepentant sin.

i fornicate once and die in a car wreck, and i was a man who drifted away, does that mean im in hell? possible but we don't know as grace is always going to cover some sin. insert any sin.

 

[Lewis]

So the conclusion is' that we just don't know right or wrong ?

 

[jasonc]

So the conclusion is' that we just don't know right or wrong ?

i didn't say that. i said we that aren't that person don't know.
its like this lewis, the more humbled i have been in Christ the more i realize im not able to be holy. that its ONLY by his grace and mercy i even have a chance at heaven.we pick sins we think by emotions are the worst and assume that if we do them and the blood isn't enough. ie gay sex acts and marriage and overlook the other lists of abonomations that we have tolerated in society. the blood covers it all.

do you think if you got mad and cursed and died. god would just say well you cursed. off to hell.? probably not. did you repent of that curse word when you died? don't know as im not you in this case. only would know , but lets say you didn't. is the grace of god not enough to overlook such things?

what about all those myriads of Christians who slowly kill themselves from poor diet? what is the difference if you die from a preventable illness and know that gluttony is a sin?

 

[Lewis]

i didn't say that. i said we that aren't that person don't know.
its like this lewis, the more humbled i have been in Christ the more i realize im not able to be holy. that its ONLY by his grace and mercy i even have a chance at heaven.we pick sins we think by emotions are the worst and assume that if we do them and the blood isn't enough. ie gay sex acts and marriage and overlook the other lists of abonomations that we have tolerated in society. the blood covers it all.

do you think if you got mad and cursed and died. god would just say well you cursed. off to hell.? probably not. did you repent of that curse word when you died? don't know as im not you in this case. only would know , but lets say you didn't. is the grace of god not enough to overlook such things?

what about all those myriads of Christians who slowly kill themselves from poor diet? what is the difference if you die from a preventable illness and know that gluttony is a sin?

okay

 

[jasonc]

we often preach that sinners are evil and such forth. while god does call sin evil. i think our view of sin and evil is off.its more like the aversion to the sickness of say a disease that communicable then as we teach it.that doesn't mean he doesn't hate it nor has wrath. but that he sees us as sick and wants us to be healed first and when we reject that and die he then must turn us to his wrath of judgment.we choose to be sick verses healing and by doing so we harmed those that did wanted to be healed.

 

[Chopper]

1 Corinthians 3:17 is your answer. If you destroy the temple of the Holy Spirit, God will destroy you. It doesn't get any plainer than that my friend. Yes, any person who commits suicide is hell bound for sure.

 

[agua.]

1 Corinthians 3:17 is your answer. If you destroy the temple of the Holy Spirit, God will destroy you. It doesn't get any plainer than that my friend. Yes, any person who commits suicide is hell bound for sure.

Hey Chop I'm finding this hard to understand. Paul was involved in the murder of Stephen and was forgiven are you suggesting any un-repented sin at death will send a person to hell or only suicide ?

 

[jasonc]

1 Corinthians 3:17 is your answer. If you destroy the temple of the Holy Spirit, God will destroy you. It doesn't get any plainer than that my friend. Yes, any person who commits suicide is hell bound for sure.

and fornication, and adultery and gay sex. so why should bother claiming Christ per you now that im on the same plain as the Pharisees.

1 Corinthians 6

And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

im also redacting this statement with that verse of yours

defiling by fornication is the same as suicide thus unforgivable.

now then i have commited all three of those sins. two of them as a Christian. you are an osaser. im not i don't get that argument. i can be saved despite my defilation of the temple with sex sins but not with murder. people die for aids and that is caught from sex acts that are risky. not all the time but a lot of it.

you cant isolate the one for suicide and ignore the first audience view of the Hebrews temple that existed then and the myriad of jews in how they would take that defilation of the temple(aod actually) and ignore why god judged isreal in the first diaspora for polluting the temple with sex acts. which i have posted here before. paul saying that fornication is the same in nature as that!