'The Bible tells me so' is wrong

[ezrider]

The examples you give are accurate.
The conclusion you draw is not. It's a bit confused because you have equated lessons and application; you've made them the same experience.

Sorry, but you seem to be to one that is confused here. It seems that you are in complete agreement with my statements, but you try so hard to find something to disagree over. Why is that? When we should be seeking the unity of the brethren, you are looking for things to disagree over, even though it seems we our statements are in agreement

The Scriptures and the classroom/text books are the lessons. That is the instruction.
What we "learn" in the "real world" is how to apply the lessons we learned. That is the application.

Did I say anything different?

It is our experience walking in the world that is the "real instruction" and how we apply the lessons of the scriptures to ourselves.

Seems to me we said the same thing.

We practice applying what we learned from the lessons until we become expert at applying those lessons to life.

I suspect it is the lessons we are seeking to learn is where we differ.

 

[ezrider]

If I understand you correctly, your point is that the Scriptures are kind of a starting point but what we personally "hear" from God is the important part.
I am 100% opposed to such an understanding as it is the starting point from which far too many frauds and charlatans founded their cults and heretical religions.

It is rather obvious that you are NOT understanding me correctly, but as I addressed in the post above, you are not looking to understand me correctly. You are looking at the words I have posted trying to find away to disagree with them.

In the posts above, you said you agreed with my examples; am I loving my neighbor as myself, am I loving my enemy. These things were learned first from the scriptures, so yes, they are our "starting point" as we walk according to Faith.

If I find myself becoming to preoccupied with politics and the election, and then find myself getting angry or upset over it, and then the still small voice reminds me not to chase after the things of the world, but to follow after the things of the Spirit. I try to follow that instruction.

If you are 100% opposed to such an understanding as that, then I might suggest that your religion is in vain. And perhaps the fear of frauds and charlatans is something you struggle with, and you are attempting to project those thoughts into what I have said, when I have said no such thing, nor have I implied such a thing.

 

[ezrider]

Romans 7:10 says exactly what you say it doesn't say.

How could it say exactly what I said it doesn't say, when I didn't say anything? I only posted the reference to that scripture and asked if he had read them. No different than the three scripture reference he posted and asked me if I had read.

 

[ezrider]

Indwelling sin and evil present with us ALWAYS leads the natural person away from the law(s) and rejects the discourses of the law.

And this is where your sight begins to become a bit distorted. Actually, it upside down, and we should look with our corrected lenses. Sin and evil present within us does NOT lead a natural person AWAY from the Law. Sin and evil present within us wants to lead us TO THE LAW (not away from), because sin and death is glorified by the law. The sin and evil present within us does not reject the discourse of the law, it embraces it and glorifies it. What the sin and evil present within us does cause the natural person TO DO is to resist the penalty of death (the same lie as the serpent: surely you shall not die), and will ALWAYS try and lead the person AWAY from FAITH, and TOWARDS the LAW.

 

[ezrider]

Those verses tell you nothing of that sort. Please quit giving me your cliche answers.

Where is this information found about eternal life and how to get it? In the Scriptures!

• John 3:16 (ESV);
• Acts 4:12 (ESV);
• Rom 10:9-11 (ESV)?

Oz

Have you found eternal life yet?

 

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And this is where your sight begins to become a bit distorted. Actually, it upside down, and we should look with our corrected lenses.

I fly only one sight when it comes to Word of God. We LIVE by Every Word, as Jesus stated. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. You won't hear me casting aside a jot or tittle on any basis, hopefully.

Sin and evil present within us does NOT lead a natural person AWAY from the Law.

Of course those workings in anyone will "resist" Gods Words. Those workings in anyone are NOT cooperative to the Spirit, as much as believers like to claim otherwise. The lessons, the precepts Paul gives and applies to himself, in Romans 7 for example, make this abundantly clear.

Sin and evil present within us wants to lead us TO THE LAW (not away from), because sin and death is glorified by the law.

I can only laugh at that. Sorry. Paul tells us exactly what indwelling sin does and evil present with us does when it meets law in Romans 7:13.

I will AGREE with you that indwelling sin and evil present WILL ATTEMPT to claim it's legally obedient and lawful however, because these workings LIE every time they encounter WORD.

The sin and evil present within us does not reject the discourse of the law, it embraces it and glorifies it.

One thing these workings will never do is TELL THE TRUTH.

What the sin and evil present within us does cause the natural person TO DO is to resist the penalty of death (the same lie as the serpent: surely you shall not die), and will ALWAYS try and lead the person AWAY from FAITH, and TOWARDS the LAW.

We know that Jesus condemns sin and evil. No questions whatsoever about that. Romans 8:3 makes this abundantly clear. Indwelling sin and evil present with all of us are matters that we have, and matters that we REMAIN in contentions with, all the days of our flesh life. Romans 7:23-25, Gal. 5:17.

It is people who try to paint over/gloss over these things and make their 'whole package' something other than what those things really are are the ones who are still whistling past the graveyard on the subjects.

 

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Have you found eternal life yet?

The reaction you show to those who disagree with you are NOT RIGHT. It is a pity that you pull such out of the bag of tricks.

No one here can claim Jesus Is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor. 12:3. There isn't a poster in this particular board who doesn't make that claim.

I'd appreciate you and a couple of other "shoot from the hipsters" here to put away your petty weapons. They are nothing but personal intimidation casting dispersion upon other believers fates.

Why don't you try PRESUMING they are saved and leave it up to them and Jesus instead? I get so sick of this kind of nonsense.

 

[ezrider]

The reaction you show to those who disagree with you are NOT RIGHT. It is a pity that you pull such out of the bag of tricks.

No one here can claim Jesus Is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor. 12:3. There isn't a poster in this particular board who doesn't make that claim.

I'd appreciate you and a couple of other "shoot from the hipsters" here to put away your petty weapons. They are nothing but personal intimidation casting dispersion upon other believers fates.

Why don't you try PRESUMING they are saved and leave it up to them and Jesus instead? I get so sick of this kind of nonsense.

Sorry, but the reaction you displayed here says everything about you. It was as simple question intended for OzSpen, it wasn't directed towards you, nor was it intended to question his salvation. It was a question asked in the context of his comment and the scriptures he provided. Trouble is, you can't seem to deal with that or accept that, and simply let OzSpen answer the question for himself.

 

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Sorry, but the reaction you displayed here says everything about you. It was as simple question intended for OzSpen, it wasn't directed towards you, nor was it intended to question his salvation. It was a question asked in the context of his comment and the scriptures he provided. Trouble is, you can't seem to deal with that or accept that, and simply let OzSpen answer the question for himself.

You and a couple of other posters here use that stick to my dislike. It's pathetic. I have NO basis whatsoever to question Ozpen's faith or any other poster in Apologetics for that matter. Those who don't know Jesus can't even handle the scriptures at all and are quite obviously blind.

I'm only surprised by believers who try to pull the stunt you pull, as if they need to answer to your sifter.

 

[ezrider]

Those verses tell you nothing of that sort. Please quit giving me your cliche answers.

Where is this information found about eternal life and how to get it? In the Scriptures!

• John 3:16 (ESV);
• Acts 4:12 (ESV);
• Rom 10:9-11 (ESV)?

Oz

Have you found eternal life yet?

I certainly hope you will answer the above question. Some have assumed it is questioning your beliefs or salvation. It is not. It is just a simple question in response to your question about eternal life and how to get it. This question was intended to get us to the follow up question, of which I can not ask until you respond to the first question.

 

[ezrider]

Proverbs 6:23
For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

But if the LIGHT that is in you be DARKNESS, then how GREAT is the DARKNESS!

Matt 6:23
Luke 11:35

 

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