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The Blood doesn't cleanse us from ALL.

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The Blood doesn't cleanse us from ALL.

By 'Blood' I mean his death (John 3:16 and a sinner)

Majority of the people in our congregation believe the blood cleanses us from all unrighteousness: curses, diseases, the sins of the forefathers, barrenness etc....

Some others believe that repentance (as a result of His death and the blood shed) only saves us from eternal seperation. Thus, sicknesses, barrenness, curses, forefather stuff etc remain .... And you need deliverance to be fred from them. Also there are conditions that remain permanent (curses from God).


Your thought. Thanks
 
Now the question is: How can a person set free from sin (by the Blood) remain cursed: curses, barrenness, diseases, forefather thing, etc
 
Now the question is: How can a person set free from sin (by the Blood) remain cursed: curses, barrenness, diseases, forefather thing, etc

Christ was sinless, yet He sweated, became hungry and died.

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The Blood doesn't cleanse us from ALL.

By 'Blood' I mean his death (John 3:16 and a sinner)

Majority of the people in our congregation believe the blood cleanses us from all unrighteousness: curses, diseases, the sins of the forefathers, barrenness etc....

Some others believe that repentance (as a result of His death and the blood shed) only saves us from eternal seperation. Thus, sicknesses, barrenness, curses, forefather stuff etc remain .... And you need deliverance to be fred from them. Also there are conditions that remain permanent (curses from God).


Your thought. Thanks

I think you are lumping apples with oranges. There is nothing about sickness, bareness or other natural afflictions that make them righteous or unrighteous. Sickness is a condition that may have started through the fall, but it is not related to our righteousness at all. The only time God instills sickness upon a life is when it is for His glory.

Remember as the disciples asked about the blind man, and who sinned to cause it, Jesus replied that no one had sinned, but rather his affliction was given so that he may one day glorify God through it.
 
The context of the quote from First John is: 'cleanseth us from all sin'.

Right.

The context of all the texts concerning the blood of Christ is that we are cleansed from our sins by it.

The Scriptures nowhere claim that if one is a cleansed by the blood of Christ, one will never be sick or barren.

I realize that there are many churches, especially of the pentecostal type, that teach this... but it truly isn't biblical. Lots of people suffer shipwreck of faith due to this kind of preaching.
 
Right. The context of all the texts concerning the blood of Christ is that we are cleansed from our sins by it. The Scriptures nowhere claim that if one is a cleansed by the blood of Christ, one will never be sick or barren. I realize that there are many churches, especially of the pentecostal type, that teach this... but it truly isn't biblical. Lots of people suffer shipwreck of faith due to this kind of preaching.
I'm glad it's becoming a minority today. Some of our members believe repentance is enough.
 
That's one thing that keeps me leaning towards the PCUSA Calvinism of my youth over the Pentecostal "Jesus Camp" where I was truly saved. As much as I appreciate the zeal of the Pentecostals and their faith in the miraculous (Christianity IS a miracle religion, after all), I can't help but point out: life is hard. Life is tragic at times. We live in a Fallen Word. Christ saves your soul, there may well be miracles (I've had more than my fair share, btw), but God's plan for His people is more complicated than providing an "abundant" and/or "victorious" life.
 
The Blood doesn't cleanse us from ALL.

By 'Blood' I mean his death (John 3:16 and a sinner)

Majority of the people in our congregation believe the blood cleanses us from all unrighteousness: curses, diseases, the sins of the forefathers, barrenness etc....

Some others believe that repentance (as a result of His death and the blood shed) only saves us from eternal seperation. Thus, sicknesses, barrenness, curses, forefather stuff etc remain .... And you need deliverance to be fred from them. Also there are conditions that remain permanent (curses from God).

Your thought. Thanks
These "others" make the mistake of thinking that trials and tribulations are judgment. They are not. They are incentives for us to grow our faith, trust through adversity, believe that no matter what befalls us, God is in control, to our benefit and greater good. To claim that ill tidings are the result of sin is to completely misunderstand the will and character of God. Such beliefs oversimplify Him, making Him some kind of "genie in a bottle" that we can call on and magically get what we want.
 
Hebrews 9:
6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


It is by the blood of Christ that we who also partake in His death and resurrection through repentance and Spiritual renewal of our inner man and have been made renewed again by the Holy Spirit that we also have the same inheritance of Abraham that we will have life eternal with the Father and will not be damned to the lake of fire. We are set free from the generational curse of the law through Gods new covenant as the old covenant carried with it a curse if you did not follow all the law to the letter, but now set free from the curse by grace.

As far as sickness and disease or even barrenness things we bring upon ourselves by the way we take care of our bodies. I know God heals, but I also believe this flesh will not live forever and when times of afflictions come upon us is the times that the trying of our faith worketh patience.
 
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