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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Cornelius said:
I don't understand the verse that way C. To me, the operative words are "begotten Son." He was the "only begotten Son of God." If He was the "only begotten" then that tells me there were others...just not "begotten." The KJV passage is very different from yours.
KJV
Hebrews 1:5-6 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, "Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten Thee"? And again, "I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son"? And again, when He bringeth in the First begotten into the world, He saith, "And let all the angels of God worship Him."
1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him
whirlwind said:
Its because you need to understand it that way. We always seek that Scripture will back up our beliefs.
Here is another son of God:
Luk 3:38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Cornelius said:
Yes...you certainly are and so am I!
We have been translated to His kingdom as was Enoch. We shall not see death, the second death!
- Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
When a man thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he is deceived.
Rom 9:25-28
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. KJV
Rom 4:17
even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. KJV
Rom 12:3
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. KJV
Gal 6:3
3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. KJV
1 Cor 1:28-29
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. KJV
We are called the children of God, even though in our flesh we are the enemy of God.
Joe
Rom 9:25-28
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. KJV
Rom 4:17
even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. KJV
Rom 12:3
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. KJV
Gal 6:3
3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. KJV
1 Cor 1:28-29
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. KJV
We are called the children of God, even though in our flesh we are the enemy of God.
Joe
Joe67 said:
I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I (The fleshly old self) that live, but Christ living in me: and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.
ChevyRodeo said:
Yup I say it,,,,I can back it up in the bible most importantly......then I can back it up in the hebrew the book of Jude gives referance,,,,,,also we see Goliath the giant long after the flood ,,,,,which mean there was a second influx of fallen angels ,,,I can referance that......THe book of Enock speaks on it and the book of Jubilees speaks on it.......
It is silly christians that sit in the little church seats never really learning the word of God just hearing your pretty little message of sweet Christ and the bible.....SO when someone hits you with facts from the in debth Word of God you say cancer cancer cancer and get all mad..........
Joe67 said:
I live in faith regarding what Jesus has done on the cross for me. One thing He tells me in the Word is that my flesh HAS BEEN crucified with Him. Another thing He tells me is that I am already dead to sin. I do not have to SEE it with my eyes to believe God. I just say:If You say so.....I say so.
Here is one such verse that I do not question, I just believe it:
Galatians 2:20 (American Standard Version)
20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me: and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.
This tells me that God already took care of my flesh for me, I will see this, because I believe it (Let it be to you according to your faith )
Another verse is : 5 For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin;
Notice it PAST TENSE so there is nothing I must do, its already done.
He tells me to reckon myself dead to sin, so I reckon myself dead to sin, even if I do not see it yet.
11 Even so reckon ye also yourselves to be dead unto sin, but alive unto God in Christ
Jesus.
So I do not have problems regarding the flesh, its dead and crucified.
Rom 12:1-2
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. KJV
Cornelius, wherein God has given you to see his good and acceptable and perfect will, then I rejoice.
Under the good will we bear fruit 30 fold. Under the acceptable will we bear fruit 60 fold. Under the perfect will we bear fruit 100 fold. My desire is that God has shown you these three faces of his grace.
The kingdom of grace is at work from the least to the greatest, so may the Lord our God be praised through his Son, Jesus Christ.
Your servant in the Body of our Lord,
Joe
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. KJV
Cornelius, wherein God has given you to see his good and acceptable and perfect will, then I rejoice.
Under the good will we bear fruit 30 fold. Under the acceptable will we bear fruit 60 fold. Under the perfect will we bear fruit 100 fold. My desire is that God has shown you these three faces of his grace.
The kingdom of grace is at work from the least to the greatest, so may the Lord our God be praised through his Son, Jesus Christ.
Your servant in the Body of our Lord,
Joe
Free said:
There is plenty of support,,,everytime sons of God is mentioned in the old test it is refering to angels,,,because Christ had not came and made man sons unto God yet......
The Hebrew word "Geber" might man,,,,a giant... The Hebrew actually has a word do describe the childern of male angels and daughters of man....
You would look silly if you even tried to debate this......Indeed the cancer is ignorance.........
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Two major assumptions which are totally unsupportable are that 1) angels, who are supernatural beings, can procreate, and 2) most difficult of all, that they can procreate with humans. Then there are issues of word definitions.
Note that you are using only one passage to create, for some reason, a strange doctrine. This is not at all the correct way to develop theology.
And cut the un-Christlike attitude Nightmare.
Note that you are using only one passage to create, for some reason, a strange doctrine. This is not at all the correct way to develop theology.
And cut the un-Christlike attitude Nightmare.
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The sad part is that the close minded are not smart enough to take in the information posted here, apply it and re evaluate their understandings and ways of thinking. They just say, " oh he disagrees with me, I will go some where else now"