The Chair of Peter

[jaybo]

A reminder of the TOS on this site:
1.4: Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state a negative opinion about a member's denomination, leaders, founders, or the veracity of a member's faith. (Exodus 20:16).

You won't get another warning.

If you want discuss then do not do it in a derogatory way.

That rule makes no sense. It makes disagreement with a particular group's leaders and/or doctrine impossible. No negative opinions about a denomination, leaders, founders, or faith? Absurd!

It's a good thing that Jesus, Paul, or any of the OT prophets didn't know about this rule.

Here is an excerpt of Matthew 23:29-33 “Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors we would not have participated with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ By saying this you testify against yourselves that you are descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up then the measure of your ancestors! You snakes, you offspring of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?" Said by none other than Jesus Christ!

By your rule, Jesus would be in violation!!!

Exodus 20:16 says " “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor" has no application to this ToS. False testimony is lying, not criticism.

 

[Mungo]

That rule makes no sense. It makes disagreement with a particular group's leaders and/or doctrine impossible. No negative opinions about a denomination, leaders, founders, or faith? Absurd!

It's a good thing that Jesus, Paul, or any of the OT prophets didn't know about this rule.

Here is an excerpt of Matthew 23:29-33 “Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors we would not have participated with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ By saying this you testify against yourselves that you are descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up then the measure of your ancestors! You snakes, you offspring of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?" Said by none other than Jesus Christ!

By your rule, Jesus would be in violation!!!

Exodus 20:16 says " “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor" has no application to this ToS. False testimony is lying, not criticism.

They are not my rules. If you disagree with them take that up with stovebolts.

Your comment

The Pope is nothing but a man in a costume acting as the leader of a denomination

Is also IMO a violation of rule 1.5.
Have a break and think about your attitude.

 

[Walpole]

The Pope is nothing but a man in a costume acting as the leader of a denomination. Of course he is not infallible.

BTW, the office of "Pope" isn't found in the Bible. It's a made-up term for the leader of a single Christian sect.

There are actual reasonable arguments against the papacy that can be made.

However, if your argument against the papacy is that he wears funny clothes and you cannot find the word "pope" in Scripture, you are probably wasting your time here.

 

[GodsGrace]

There are actual reasonable arguments against the papacy that can be made.

However, if your argument against the papacy is that he wears funny clothes and you cannot find the word "pope" in Scripture, you are probably wasting your time here.

I've asked jaybo to study a little history of the early church and how it formed.

To no avail. Jaybo believes the world just ended in the book of Revelation, and bingo....

Here we are today.
Nothing inbetween.

Maybe someday he'll learn why the Pope is called so. It's really an interesting story.

In the meantime...
History is non-existent.

 

[Mister E]

That rule makes no sense. It makes disagreement with a particular group's leaders and/or doctrine impossible. No negative opinions about a denomination, leaders, founders, or faith? Absurd!

It's a good thing that Jesus, Paul, or any of the OT prophets didn't know about this rule.

Here is an excerpt of Matthew 23:29-33 “Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors we would not have participated with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ By saying this you testify against yourselves that you are descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up then the measure of your ancestors! You snakes, you offspring of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?" Said by none other than Jesus Christ!

By your rule, Jesus would be in violation!!!

Exodus 20:16 says " “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor" has no application to this ToS. False testimony is lying, not criticism.

Jesus wouldn't last a week in one of Mungo's threads. 1.4 would certainly disqualify him from participating.

 

[andy pandy]

Well, looks like you don't have a correct understanding of what Jesus' Church is.

Here 's what it is...:
Jesus' Church consists of anyone who is a believer in Jesus. His disciples make up His Church.

The person could be of any denomination.
However, being mere creatures, we also need a church, an institution, where we could meet and learn and worship,,,and this is what holds the church together. Humans need fellowship.

Sounds like we are talking about different things.

 

[andy pandy]

The homosexual agenda is the fruit of the contraceptive agenda. They are condemnable and sinful because they are sterile. If you are not against contraception, it is hard to argue being against homosexuality.

Love is generative.

The homosexual agenda is the fruit of the breakdown in families. Everyone needs an identity and if a child does not get it from his family they will turn elsewhere to find it. For some that means homosexuality.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus wouldn't last a week in one of Mungo's threads. 1.4 would certainly disqualify him from participating.

No one here is Jesus.
Jesus never misrepresented anyone, as some on these threads find it amusing to do.
Flaming is not allowed on Any forum.
Statements that are made to specifically annoy or disturb other members are not allowed.

Jesus said the love we have for each other will show the world that we are His disciples.

Please keep this in mind.

It is also not permitted to discuss the moderator's handling of a post or poster.

We strive for an active and friendly community
Even if there are disagreements.

 

[GodsGrace]

Sounds like we are talking about different things.

No.
There is only One church.
The one God's people belong to.

You might be discussing denominations.

 

[GodsGrace]

The homosexual agenda is the fruit of the breakdown in families. Everyone needs an identity and if a child does not get it from his family they will turn elsewhere to find it. For some that means homosexuality.

So your parents determined if you were a boy, a girl, or something else?

 

[Paul E. Michael]

A reminder of the TOS on this site:
1.4: Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state a negative opinion about a member's denomination, leaders, founders, or the veracity of a member's faith. (Exodus 20:16).

You won't get another warning.

If you want discuss then do not do it in a derogatory way.

Exactly how is what jaybo wrote in the excerpt you just quoted, "derogatory"? I'm not seeing it. It really does not appear that he was being derogatory, or even trying to be derogatory in any way, shape, or form. Is his merely honestly stating what he believes, "derogatory," just because it clashes with what you believe, and it's just more convenient and enjoyable for you, while you're in the catbird seat, to threaten to silence him and/or outright silence him, than to tax yourself trying to prove that what he believes is false and that what you believe is true?

 

[Mungo]

Exactly how is what jaybo wrote in the excerpt you just quoted, "derogatory"? I'm not seeing it. It really does not appear that he was being derogatory, or even trying to be derogatory in any way, shape, or form. Is his merely honestly stating what he believes, "derogatory," just because it clashes with what you believe, and it's just more convenient and enjoyable for you, while you're in the catbird seat, to threaten to silence him and/or outright silence him, than to tax yourself trying to prove that what he believes is false and that what you believe is true?

As wondering said:
"It is also not permitted to discuss the moderator's handling of a post or poster.

We strive for an active and friendly community
Even if there are disagreements."

 

[andy pandy]

So your parents determined if you were a boy, a girl, or something else?

Homosexuality has nothing at all to do with whether you are a boy or a girl.

 

[andy pandy]

No.
There is only One church.
The one God's people belong to.

You might be discussing denominations.

No, there are no denominations in HIS CHURCH.

 

[Mungo]

Homosexuality has nothing at all to do with whether you are a boy or a girl.

Homosexuality has nothing to do with this topic either. Please take this argument no further.

 

[Mungo]

No, there are no denominations in HIS CHURCH.

It seems to me there are three possibilities:

1. Jesus established more than one Church.

2. Jesus established only one Church but it is an invisible abstract spiritual Church in which all believers are members. In this Church one of these must be true, either:
a) doctrine does not matter,
or
b) it is acceptable to have conflicting doctrines and contradictory doctrines.

3. Jesus established only one Church, a visible Church, a Church in which doctrine matters and with no conflicting doctrines. This Church would have to containing the fullness of truth as revealed by God.

In scripture it is clear that Jesus founded one church with one set of doctrines. I can go through all the scriptures for that if you want them.

 

[Niblo]

Jesus established only one Church, a visible Church, a Church in which doctrine matters and with no conflicting doctrines. This Church would have to containing the fullness of truth as revealed by God.

In scripture it is clear that Jesus founded one church with one set of doctrines. I can go through all the scriptures for that if you want them.

Agreed. Any other notion is quite ridiculous.

 

[JLB]

Is this why we have a host of Christian denominations these days....many at variance with each other...and every single one convinced that they....and they alone... are the 'true' believers?

Is Christ the Lord of Chaos?

No, the Lord is not the Lord of chaos.

There are many who think Jesus is their Lord, but He is not.

Jesus is the Lord of those who obey Him.


But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? Luke 6:46




JLB

 

[WIP]

It seems to me there are three possibilities:

1. Jesus established more than one Church.

2. Jesus established only one Church but it is an invisible abstract spiritual Church in which all believers are members. In this Church one of these must be true, either:
a) doctrine does not matter,
or
b) it is acceptable to have conflicting doctrines and contradictory doctrines.

3. Jesus established only one Church, a visible Church, a Church in which doctrine matters and with no conflicting doctrines. This Church would have to containing the fullness of truth as revealed by God.

In scripture it is clear that Jesus founded one church with one set of doctrines. I can go through all the scriptures for that if you want them.

I think the question now is, is His Church still valid today? We all stand proudly fist-pounding our chests and knocking each others' doctrines until we ask the question, "What really is the truth?" I suspect Satan has done a pretty good job of throwing monkey wrenches into the Church resulting in the chaos that exists today.

I think James 4 speaks volumes here.

 

[JLB]

And how do we know what are Christ's Doctrines and Commandments that we have to follow?

His Commandments are written on our heart and mind if we in covenant with Him; born again by the Spirit.

The New Testament or New Covenant is written to teach us and instruct us in the way of righteousness, in which we are led and guided by the Spirit of truth.


But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27

• just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

This how we are instructed to remain “in Christ” —


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24




JLB