The Charismatic Church movement

[Willie T]

Or..... Here's a novel idea........... Why not go to the church, itself. Who knows, you might get the real story.

 

[eddif]

What joins us together is the battle gear, and not which side of Jordan we live on.
Let me share years of thought.

With the promised land before them, 2 1/2 tribes decide to live on the wilderness side of Jordan river. Fine they went first into battle till all were settled into their new home.

Charismatics tend to think that decision is terrible, but of the 144,000 all the tribes are listed as blessed. And those who moved into Canan were not perfect (who us sin?). Charismatics tend to ignore the reality of life (hey I am more or less one myself), but all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

So it is not about where we live but about who we are. It is not about what we eat or do not eat, but doing it unto The Lord.

Let us allow weak and strong into eternity.

eddif

 

[Chopper]

I have been involved in both Churches, Pentecostal and Charismatic. The Emergent Church troubles me because of their main objective is to reach the Cities that they live in. How they evangelize is open to all kinds of methods, some not very spiritual I'm told by some who are in that movement.

The Pentecostal Church that I attended would probably be called legalistic. The Charismatic Church sort of "let it all hang out" The Toronto blessing and those kinds of movements were popular with the Charismatic crowd where the Pentecostal crowd didn't buy into it.

 

[Willie T]

If you attended it, probably.

 

[eddif]

Or..... Here's a novel idea........... Why not go to the church, itself. Who knows, you might get the real story.

If you go. Believe that He is well able to keep you safe. I have been to many scary services. Faith in God will keep you, but not faith in faith. If you see some that need help, love them (either with compassion or with fear).

eddif

 

[Willie T]

If you go. Believe that He is well able to keep you safe. I have been to many scary services. Faith in God will keep you, but not faith in faith. If you see some that need help, love them (either with compassion or with fear).

eddif

How about going to see if you just might meet God there?

What is with some of you people? Do you honestly think God only lives in your own little church, and you have to be afraid to go worship with anyone else?

 

[eddif]

How about going to see if you just might meet God there?

What is with some of you people? Do you honestly think God only lives in your own little church, and you have to be afraid to go worship with anyone else?

I do think I mentioned Jesus walked among the 7 churches. The 7 churches are as diverse as any. Right in the middle of error I have had understanding flood my mind , heart, spirit, etc.

I fellowship with denominational folks, Pentecostals, etc., and as much as possible survive. When you suggested some attend I feel 50 flags were raised. I was trying to build faith to attend, and not keep us in our safe spots.

eddif

 

[Willie T]

I'm older than most of you, and I have only felt fear one time in my life.

I was in a jail cell (I dunno... drinking or fighting, or something like that), and I was awakened out of a sleep by a cold chill. I turned to see several guys gathered around a pentagram they had drawn on the floor. Well, that was not God;

But I have been to CoC, Non Denominational, all kinds of "Independents", Catholic, Pentecostal, Nazarene, Brethren, Baptist, Apostolic Holiness, Methodist, Salvation Army, Presbyterian, Korean, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Jewish, even Jehovah Witnesses, Black churches with names so long, I'm not sure WHAT they were, and probably a few others I can't remember. Sure, some were strange to me. And, I didn't sense God in some of them.... others, I did, in spades.

But, not one time did I feel any kind of fear. That is such a crazy notion.... that because they worship differently than you, that there is a need to "fear" something.

 

[Willie T]

I do think I mentioned Jesus walked among the 7 churches. The 7 churches are as diverse as any. Right in the middle of error I have had understanding flood my mind , heart, spirit, etc.

I fellowship with denominational folks, Pentecostals, etc., and as much as possible survive. When you suggested some attend I feel 50 flags were raised. I was trying to build faith to attend, and not keep us in our safe spots.

eddif

Then why not say that, instead of suggesting we should pray for protection from all the evil spirits you seem to feel are there?...... they just might be closer to God than any of us.

 

[Chopper]

How about going to see if you just might meet God there?

What is with some of you people? Do you honestly think God only lives in your own little church, and you have to be afraid to go worship with anyone else?

Good point Willie, over the years, I've been to quite a few "Christian Churches" and have really learned a lot from the services and reading their doctrinal statements....good education that you can't get in any Bible College.

 

[Willie T]

Your "point" wasn't missed.

 

[eddif]

In a sense the Jewish faith was charismatic. The prophets had a word of knowledge (the donkeys have been found - King Saul). Or kings were hold what action to take - - word of wisdom. Healing. Miracles . Etc.

Pentecost included daughters and other classes.

Some Gentiles just had to have spiritual gifts defined I
Corinthians .
We all have the gifts / spirituals available (IMHO).

eddif

 

[Obadiah]

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[n2thelight]

Ephesians 6:11
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

We wrestle (IMHO) now against evil. Paul seemed to be in a battle. I can see how the evil day could be thought future. I can also see that today a battle rages.

Jesus purchased our armour with nails, thorns, nakedness, and a spear in His side.

eddif

That day is future...Yes we wrestle now,but at no time in history has satan been given power that he will have when he comes here.....That's why Christ said the below

Matthew 24:21 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Even Paul did'nt experience this........

As for Jesus purchasing our armour,I can agree,however we must claim it...And how do we?

The Word of God!!!!

Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

We will stand against Satan, and all his forces. The "evil day" is just before the Lord's return, and on that day we had better be prepared to stand and face Satan, with our full armor on.

Ephesians 6:14 "Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;"

Your "girt" is your belt. That is what holds up your pants, and our spiritual "belt" is the truth of God's word; all of it. Like the belt, it also holds you together, and keeps you from going flying off in all directions. If you know what to expect you will not stray off into Satan's camp in ignorance.
Our "breastplate of righteousness" is our justification, or authority for everything we say or do. That is the Word of God. It will protect you, but only if you are able to think for yourself, and the wisdom to direct our thinking can only come from God. Without that truth in your mind, you are spiritually naked, and defenseless against any spiritual battle. The world today is Biblically illiterate.

Ephesians 6:15 "And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;"

This is the kind of shoes that we all must have on. There is only one true peace, and that comes from Jesus Christ. The "gospel of peace" is the "good news of God's full plan". Your feet are used to walk with and get you around, while the shoes are for the protection of your feet. So we had better have the "gospel armor" on so when we move in these final days, we know exactly where to walk, and what to expect. There are no secrets for these days, as to how Satan's forces will move; for it is all written in God's Word [our Bible].

When we see the signs of the end times that are upon us, we had better understand what Satan will do; and then know what we had better do about it. Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 13 all tell us in detail what we are to do in that day. These are all part of our spiritual shoes, that will guide our feet to where they ought to take us.

Ephesians 6:16 "Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked."

Paul is telling us that this is the most important armor; "above all". When we put on our "shield of faith" we can quench [or snuff out] all of Satan's fiery darts. There is absolutely nothing Satan can send against you mentally, if you are filled with the seal of the living God. God even went far beyond that when He gave to Satan the keys of authority for his tribulation rule.

God said in Revelation 9:4 "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thin, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads." That seal of God is the Scriptures; all of it, and it had better be stored in your mind [that's your "forehead"].

The "shield" is our faith, or the certain knowledge that we know that when Satan comes against us, we will automatically be given the moves we are to take to shield ourselves form him. Whatever comes our way will be snuffed out today, tomorrow, and right into Christ's Millennium age. Your faith is not only your belief, but your acting on that belief; which is sustained by your confidence that God will perform that what He said He will do. All things will come to pass exactly as He said it would in His Word.

Ephesians 6:17 "And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:"

The "sword of the spirit" is the "Word of God". Revelation 1:16 tells us that the sword is a two edged sword that destroys all of Satan's lies and deceptions. It is the Word of God, from the mouth of God, and written for us in the Bible.

Our head is the most vulnerable part of our body; Therefore our salvation had better be secure and sure in our mind. Our "salvation" is the most sure thing we can have, for it is Christ that does the saving, and it comes through our belief in Jesus Christ, and His work on the cross: His death and resurrection. All this was done by Him to pay the price for each and every sin that we have done. However, those sins are only forgiven by Him through our repentance to God, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Then our sins are all blotted out from the view of the Father, and we are accepted into His family. We become the sons [daughters] of God, and joint heirs with Christ in God's kingdom.

Ephesians 6:18 "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints,"

Make sure that it is your spirit that is guiding your prayer, and not your flesh. Look out for each other, and keep other Christians warm in the Spirit. Make intercessory prayers for each other, and give support and backing to your Christian Brethren. Ask God for all the tools to fight your spiritual battles, and He will even lay on your heart and mind the burden for your Christian brethren.

Again,He died for us to get the bricks,but He won't build the house for us!!!!!!!!