The Cross Is From Paganism

[locust]

Begging the question. Where is your proof? I have asked for it before and have yet to see any.

proof of what happens to the human body when made to hang from the hands from up above ones head ?

 

[locust]

The history and pathology of crucifixion - PubMed

In antiquity crucifixion was considered one of the most brutal and shameful modes of death. Probably originating with the Assyrians and Babylonians, it was used systematically by the Persians in the 6th century BC. Alexander the Great brought it from there to the eastern Mediterranean countries...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Free]

The history and pathology of crucifixion - PubMed

In antiquity crucifixion was considered one of the most brutal and shameful modes of death. Probably originating with the Assyrians and Babylonians, it was used systematically by the Persians in the 6th century BC. Alexander the Great brought it from there to the eastern Mediterranean countries...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

If you want to provide links to articles, then please also quite exactly the section(s) from the articles that support your assertion.

 

[Free]

when the pole with the snake on it was destroyed ,I imagine those people were just as upset as many of you would be if the cross was also destroyed
Exodus 20:4-6: "You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them".
some would argue thats not a law that needs to be followed ,any more. however it was restated about idols

Acts 15:20​

but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols, ..........

Acts 15:29​

to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, ..........

Apparently idols are a big deal

Apples and oranges.

 

[follower]

all so interesting. so many want to be saved yet many dont know what to be saved from.

Born on earth into a world, a whole society, filled with idolatry taught and practiced ;
what kind of hope can any child have when they are surrounded by idols all their young life ?

"a big deal"
As written "Little children, keep yourself from idols". Idolatry was practiced in the first century also, yes.... but it is tremendously more popular and widespread and dangerous today.

Apparently idols are a big deal

The command is not to make any image, etc. Not to make any image. Not to make any image. Of anything in heaven. Does that not mean guilt is present even without worship of an idol ?

The cross was/is most important ....... so mis-use of the cross is serious. Using one as an idol is dangerous if not fatal to faith.

when the pole with the snake on it was destroyed ,I imagine those people were just as upset as many of you would be if the cross was also destroyed
Exodus 20:4-6: "You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them".
some would argue thats not a law that needs to be followed ,any more. however it was restated about idols

https://www.jw.org/open?pub=nwtsty&bible=44015020&wtlocale=E&prefer=lang

Acts 15:20
but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols, ..........

Acts 15:29​

to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, ..........

 

[follower]

It looks like you make light of the execution of the Lamb. His back was one bloody stripe (not stripes - it was so raw) from being beaten. His bones were showing, were visible, where His Skin was ripped open .....
and this is how they (we?) treated The Creator/Creator's Son Yeshua.........
He died, though He could not be killed. He breathed His last for men to redeem them, us, from sin's penalty.
He gave up His Spirit at the last - it was not and could not be taken , but He yielded Himself up as Good News! Unbelievable! Beyond man's most far flung imagination !!!!

The Romans did not know what they were doing. Even the demons did not know.
Or they would never , never, no not ever CRUCIFIED GOD!

both , the cross bar did something the pole did not do . It prolonged the torture of hanging there for many more hours even days . You may have noted Jesus only hung on the pole for maybe 6 hours and then he died. had he been put on a cross it could have taken days for him to die. The Romans knew what they were doing it was a practice art

 

[Barbarian]

Where it says "crucify" in the bible it actually says "staked out."

The Jewish historian Josephus ca 93 AD recorded, concerning Jesus, "Pilate condemned him to be crucified."

 

[locust]

The Jewish historian Josephus ca 93 AD recorded, concerning Jesus, "Pilate condemned him to be crucified."

ya Pilate did not find any fault with Jesus ,wanted to let him go free . it was the Jews that wanted him dead.

 

[Free]

ya Pilate did not find any fault with Jesus ,wanted to let him go free . it was the Jews that wanted him dead.

Which isn't the relevant point that Barbarian was making. Rather, it's that Josephus mentioned Jesus being crucified. From his Antiquities of the Jews, book 18, chapter 3:

"3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, (9) those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; (10) as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day."