The Cross Is From Paganism

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.Matthew 27
11 And Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked Him, saying, “Art thou the King of the Jews?” And Jesus said unto him, “Thou sayest.”

12 And when He was accused by the chief priests and elders, He answered nothing.

13 Then said Pilate unto Him, “Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?”

14 And He answered him never a word, insomuch that the governor marveled greatly.

15 Now at that feast, the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.

16 And they had then a notable prisoner called Barabbas.

17 Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, “Whom will ye that I release unto you: Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?”

18 For he knew that for envy they had delivered Him.

19 When he had sat down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, “Have thou nothing to do with that just man; for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.”

20 But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask for Barabbas and destroy Jesus.

21 The governor answered and said unto them, “Which of the two will ye that I release unto you?” They said, “Barabbas!”

22 Pilate said unto them, “What shall I do then with Jesus, who is called Christ?” They all said unto him, “Let him be crucified!”

23 And the governor said, “Why, what evil hath he done?” But they cried out the more, saying, “Let him be crucified!”

24 When Pilate saw that he could not prevail, but rather that a tumult was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this just person. See ye to it.”

25 Then answered all the people and said, “His blood be on us, and on our children!”

26 Then released he Barabbas unto them; and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered Him to be crucified.

 

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It's saying that Pilate capitulated to their demands and that's why Jesus was kill

 

[Barbarian]

I'm thinking that I'd take God's word over that of an apostate human. But not everyone agrees. I know of no Christian denomination that supposes some sort of supernatural power resides in crosses.

Persons may sin in using Sacramentals by using them in a way or for a purpose prohibited by the Church; also by believing that the use of Sacramentals will save us in spite of our sinful lives. We must remember that Sacramentals can aid us only through the blessing the Church gives them and through the good dispositions they excite in us. They have, therefore, no power in themselves, and to put too much confidence in their use leads to superstition.

Lesson 27: On the Sacramentals

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the pole is laid down to access the nails . (Even as it would be if it were a pole with cross member) , to then remove the bodies for burial. how were the nails removed ? today we have tools designed for that purpose. What did they have back then? Normally when nails are put in it's forever .

 

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please read the bibles account

Your suggestion to "please read the bibles account" as pointless as it is hypocritical, since you aren't addressing relevant passages from Scripture which have been given. You never responded to THIS post, despite my pointing it out in THIS post. Maybe it's time you address what has been posted from the Bible.

And, once again, whether Jesus died on a pole or a cross is absolutely irrelevant to his atoning death for our sins in our place. The cross being supposedly pagan and that Jesus's death had to be on a pole in order to fulfill a supposed prophecy from Moses are both nonsense. They miss the forest for the trees.

 

[D-D-W]

I know many NT translations aimed at Jewish evangelism use "stake"or "pole" instead of cross, but that is because the cross has been an instrument of persecution and torture to the Jewish people.

What the text says in Deut 21 is that the curse is on those who hang on a tree, or more basic, on wood.

 

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Your suggestion to "please read the bibles account" as pointless as it is hypocritical, since you aren't addressing relevant passages from Scripture which have been given. You never responded to THIS post, despite my pointing it out in THIS post. Maybe it's time you address what has been posted from the Bible.

And, once again, whether Jesus died on a pole or a cross is absolutely irrelevant to his atoning death for our sins in our place. The cross being supposedly pagan and that Jesus's death had to be on a pole in order to fulfill a supposed prophecy from Moses are both nonsense. They miss the forest for the trees.

if we were to stop at ''a pole or a cross is absolutely irrelevant to his atoning death'' would be one thing . yet that's not were it stops . the cross is held to be sacred , its looked to ,even held to high esteem. in reality its a instrument of prolonged torture to the intended point of killing who ever is hung on one.
you are perhaps looking for a constant reminder that a T worn on a necklace, bracelets or a tattoo designated the user as a Christian?
wow ,look around i cant for any reason picture Jesus thinking thats a good thing .many cross wears are lowlifes criminals . worship is to be done in spirit

 

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if we were to stop at ''a pole or a cross is absolutely irrelevant to his atoning death'' would be one thing . yet that's not were it stops . the cross is held to be sacred , its looked to ,even held to high esteem. in reality its a instrument of prolonged torture to the intended point of killing who ever is hung on one.
you are perhaps looking for a constant reminder that a T worn on a necklace, bracelets or a tattoo designated the user as a Christian?
wow ,look around i cant for any reason picture Jesus thinking thats a good thing .many cross wears are lowlifes criminals . worship is to be done in spirit

So, yet again you ignore the biblical evidence I gave. You aren't interested in a Bible study, but rather just giving your opinion.

 

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So, yet again you ignore the biblical evidence I gave. You aren't interested in a Bible study, but rather just giving your opinion.

you did not give evidence you gave an opinion. using Forensic information is showing no cross bar .it is only when hung by the hands from over ones head does a person die in 6 hours of time . the Jews knew that when the legs are broken death comes even quicker .they are the ones that asked that the legs be broken ,they only had a time span of daylight hours to make that happen . to hang a person on a cross hands out left and right as far as it could be done .....,it takes days for a person to die . the Executioners knew this before the pole was stood up .

 

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perhaps I can give some insight as to why anyone would have the belief there was a cross used . yo'ur wanting to put a cross bar up near the top of the pole so that the arms are stretched out left and right . however there are things not mentioned in the narrative . as pointed out the pole would have to be laid down to remove the body.
lifting a pole up and out of the hole is more difficult than any layman knows . so how was it done ?? simple ,you have the cross bar in the wrong place it would be 3-4 feet from the bottom of the pole. and btw not near as long as its been pictured . its more of a handle for two men to help stand the pole and then to lift the pole up and out of the hole . i know this because i have done it.

 

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had you seen a man trying to carry what I described you would likely say he's is carrying a cross

 

[Free]

you did not give evidence you gave an opinion.

I gave evidence from the Bible and gave an opinion on that evidence. You have so far evaded that evidence. You don't take the Bible seriously and that is sad and unfortunate.

using Forensic information is showing no cross bar .it is only when hung by the hands from over ones head does a person die in 6 hours of time . . . to hang a person on a cross hands out left and right as far as it could be done .....,it takes days for a person to die . the

This has nothing to do with the Bible and you have given no support for any of this.

 

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perhaps we could go back to https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/147...6 hours,by impairment of respiratory movement.

its medical science .
a person hung by the hands dies in 6 hours when hung from over their head . back to post #251
if not dead in a prescribed amount of time the legs would be broken . the Bible tells us it was the Jews that wanted his legs broken . they wanted him dead a s a p.
I had already shown how it could look like the fabled cross being carried . the short cross member is the perfect place to set the shoulder up against to push against . here again I speak from experience.

 

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perhaps we could go back to https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14750495/#:~:text=Death, usually after 6 hours,by impairment of respiratory movement.

its medical science .
a person hung by the hands dies in 6 hours when hung from over their head . back to post #251
if not dead in a prescribed amount of time the legs would be broken . the Bible tells us it was the Jews that wanted his legs broken . they wanted him dead a s a p.

Yes, and I already addressed this and asked that you provide the specific portions of the paper that are relevant to what you are saying.

I had already shown how it could look like the fabled cross being carried . the short cross member is the perfect place to set the shoulder up against to push against . here again I speak from experience.

Which doesn't address any biblical evidence; that evidence that you keep purposely avoiding.

 

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when we get right down to it there is no other way than what I suggest .
hang a person on a cross and it can take days for that person to die. that's a medical fact i'm not making this up , its just the way it is.
please don't blind your self to the way of tradition by insisting Jesus died on a cross. there is nothing special about it .all it really is ,is a way of prolonged torture