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Muhsen
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Gary_Bee said:
That does not make Jesus God nor Son of God, That verses above declare clearly that he is only a prophet. Do you want to interpret the Quran like you want?!!!!
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That does not make Jesus God nor Son of God, That verses above declare clearly that he is only a prophet. Do you want to interpret the Quran like you want?!!!!
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Gary
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OK Muhsen, which do you agree with?
:wink:
- (1) The virgin-birth of Jesus (Yes/No)
(2) The sinlessness of Jesus (Yes/No)
(3) The ascension of Jesus to heaven (Yes/No)
(4) The second coming of Jesus (Yes/No)
(5) Jesus is called Al-Masih - The Messiah (Yes/No)
(6) Jesus is called Kalmatuhu - The Word of God (Yes/No)
(7) Jesus is called Ruhullah - The Spirit of God (Yes/No)
:wink:
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Muhsen
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Not all
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Gary
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OK Muhsen, which do you agree with?
:wink:
- (1) The virgin-birth of Jesus (Yes/No)
(2) The sinlessness of Jesus (Yes/No)
(3) The ascension of Jesus to heaven (Yes/No)
(4) The second coming of Jesus (Yes/No)
(5) Jesus is called Al-Masih - The Messiah (Yes/No)
(6) Jesus is called Kalmatuhu - The Word of God (Yes/No)
(7) Jesus is called Ruhullah - The Spirit of God (Yes/No)
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Qasim786
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That is wrong. Nowhere does the Quran say that Jesus is the 'spirit of God', rather it states that Jesus is is the spirit proceeding from God i.e sent by God.
Jesus is definetly no more than an apostle in the Quran. This is very clear and you cant dispute this. Surah 5:8 - 'Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat thier (daily)food. See how God doth mak his signs clear to the; yet in what ways they are deluded from the truth.
Quran 4:171 - 'O people of the book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the Son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Hod and his word which he bestowed on Mary and a spirit proceeding from him...'[/b]
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Gary
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Qasim786, do you agree with all the rest?
Muhsen said:
And what other human being who ever lived was sinless? Therefore, how could Jesus be just a human being? If you believe in God, Mushen, then why would you not believe in the miracles of Jesus? Do you not believe God is miraculous? Or do you believe he was human? If he were human he wouldn't be God! Therefore, any man who is truly from God has to display the things from God, or he would be a hypocrite and a liar. God does not lie. Therefore, someone who is from God cannot lie. Mohammed killed and committed pedophilia. Now unless allah justifies murder and lust just like Satan does, then Mohammed cannot be from God. "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit and neither can a bad tree bear good fruit." "If the head of the house is beezelbub, then how much more the members of his household!" But if allh does justify murder and lust, then he does exactly what Satan does. They are then one in the same because they preach the same thing.
It would be good for you to see where your god came from. And once you open your eyes to the fact that he came from the mind of Mohammed who he himself wondered if his vision of allah came from God or the devil, then you will se just how confused Mohammed was! So how can his followers be any less confused than the one they follow? "A house divided against itself cannot stand." I truly hope and pray that you will see the enormous contradictions of Islam or you will never know the real God. The truth does not contradict itself. Islam does.
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Qasim786
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(1) The virgin-birth of Jesus (Yes/No)
(2) The sinlessness of Jesus (Yes/No)
(3) The ascension of Jesus to heaven (Yes/No)
(4) The second coming of Jesus (Yes/No)
(5) Jesus is called Al-Masih - The Messiah (Yes/No)
(6) Jesus is called Kalmatuhu - The Word of God (Yes/No)
Yes i agree with these. Jesus was God's word because God said 'be' and Jesus was. But i know you are going to interpret these things from a Christian perspective. Why not try looking at it from the view point of what God states in the Quran?
(2) The sinlessness of Jesus (Yes/No)
(3) The ascension of Jesus to heaven (Yes/No)
(4) The second coming of Jesus (Yes/No)
(5) Jesus is called Al-Masih - The Messiah (Yes/No)
(6) Jesus is called Kalmatuhu - The Word of God (Yes/No)
Yes i agree with these. Jesus was God's word because God said 'be' and Jesus was. But i know you are going to interpret these things from a Christian perspective. Why not try looking at it from the view point of what God states in the Quran?
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YESHUA
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Muhsen said:
And what nations might that be?
I know for a fact that the muslims are in my country for two reasons namely money and to take over my country but as long as my GOD reigns in HEAVEN Islam will not succeed.
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA and go read the 10 commandment thats if you know what it is? Do you have the 10 commandment? Or do you only have 1 and thats follow Muhammad?
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Muhsen
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Gary_Bee said:
We believe:
1: the virgin-birth of Jesus yes He has no father.
2: The sinlessness of Jesus: all prophets are sinlessness, but may have mistakes not sins also I Have read may Jesus killed a child, and he was dealing with animals not kindly, but Quran did not inform us so I am not sure.
3: The ascension of Jesus to heaven yes
4: The second coming of Jesus, yes he will come and he will kill the anti-Christ after that he will die.
5: Jesus is called Al-Masih, its his name :
4:157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of God," -- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:
4:171. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of God aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of God and His Word, ("Be!" -- and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh) created by Him; so believe in God and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For God is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And God is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.
5:17. Surely, in disbelief are they who say that God is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary) . Say (O Muhammad): "Who then has the least power against God, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), his mother, and all those who are on the earth together?" And to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them. He creates what He wills. And God is Able to do all things.
(6) Jesus is called Kalmatuhu - The Word of God yes
3 45. (Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, God gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" -- and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to God."
(7) Jesus is called Ruhullah
This is wrong. Jesus is the spirit proceeding from God, sent by God as Prophet
So Gary this is Islamic perspective its clear
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Qasim786
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Anyway back to the topic, what do Christians believe will happen to them when they die, i.e how will they be judged, and what will happen to those who have not accepted Jesus as their Lord or that he died for them?
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Gary
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Qasim786 said:
OK, what is "The Messiah" (Al-Masih)? What does it mean?
As you suggested, please only use the Quran to explain this term!!
The Muslim perspective is contradictory, Mushen. The Muslems say Jesus was sinless yet claim that he was a human being! That's an oxymoron. Humans by nature are sinful. So the Muslims say Jesus was sinless yet do not see sinlessness as God's nature, but human nature! This is another blatant contradiction. Once again, the truth does not contradict itself so the Koran cannot be the truth.
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Muhsen
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We believe all prophets are sinless,
If Jesus has no human being adjectives why he did not protect himself from crucifying on the cross.
And do not tell me he sacrifice himself to take our sin, because if he God or son of God he could do this without sacrifice.
If Jesus has no human being adjectives why he did not protect himself from crucifying on the cross.
And do not tell me he sacrifice himself to take our sin, because if he God or son of God he could do this without sacrifice.
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YESHUA
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Muhsen said:
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Qasim786
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Yes Jesus(p.b.u.h) was sinless, just like any other prophet. Humans are not sinful by nature in Islam, and they are not born into sin like in Christianity, but are born totally pure. Freewill is what causes us to sin. Prophets were Human and could made mistakes, but they did not sin, because they were role models for thier people and sent by God.
It means what it means: annointed one. Comes from the root word masaha, meaning to rub, to massage or to annoint, as im sure you already know
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Gary
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Gary said:
Qasim786 said:
So you have NOTHING in the Quran which explains why Jesus was called Al-Masih?
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Qasim786
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I dont think that the Quran has to explain what the word means. That is not its job. It is not a dictionary with anything and everything inside. what the Quran does is clearly lay out and explain Jesus role and his mission. Why do you think Jesus is called the Messiah?
Masih = annointed one, So in that case Jesus was annointed
Masih = annointed one, So in that case Jesus was annointed
Muhsen said:
So you justfy murder. Is that correct? Because mohammed admitted he murdered.
Jesus did not come here to save his own skin. But life on this earth is the most important thing to non-spiritual people. Who do you think shows the greater love? One who kills others to save his own skin, or one who gives up his life to save others even though he had the power to save his own skin? Which do you think shows more courage? Wanting to save one's own skin or going through beatings and torture to pay the price for your sin? Jesus was the most unselfish man whoever lived. He died for you even though you could care less. You seem to think genuine love for others is looking out for ourselves! You couldn't be further from the truth.