The Day of Judgment

[Gary]

(1) The virgin-birth of Jesus (Yes/No)
(2) The sinlessness of Jesus (Yes/No)
(3) The ascension of Jesus to heaven (Yes/No)
(4) The second coming of Jesus (Yes/No)
(5) Jesus is called Al-Masih - The Messiah (Yes/No)
(6) Jesus is called Kalmatuhu - The Word of God (Yes/No)

Yes, I agree with these. .... But I know you are going to interpret these things from a Christian perspective. Why not try looking at it from the view point of what God states in the Quran?

OK, what is "The Messiah" (Al-Masih)? What does it mean?

As you suggested, please only use the Quran to explain this term!!

I dont think that the Quran has to explain what the word means. That is not its job......

Masih = annointed one, So in that case Jesus was annointed.

Thanks Qasim786. Yes, you are right. The Quran does NOT explain the term Al-Masih. So now you will have to go OUTSIDE the Quran to get an explanation.

What do YOU think the title Al-Masih (Anointed One) means? What are the implications of that title? Why does the Quran give Jesus this title?

 

[Muhsen]

We believe all prophets are sinless,
If Jesus has no human being adjectives why he did not protect himself from crucifying on the cross.
And do not tell me he sacrifice himself to take our sin, because if he God or son of God he could do this without sacrifice.

So you justfy murder. Is that correct? Because mohammed admitted he murdered.

Jesus did not come here to save his own skin. But life on this earth is the most important thing to non-spiritual people. Who do you think shows the greater love? One who kills others to save his own skin, or one who gives up his life to save others even though he had the power to save his own skin? Which do you think shows more courage? Wanting to save one's own skin or going through beatings and torture to pay the price for your sin? Jesus was the most unselfish man whoever lived. He died for you even though you could care less. You seem to think genuine love for others is looking out for ourselves! You couldn't be further from the truth.

Don’t thing you talking about Jesus as any human kind?!
You wrote:
1-Jesus did not come here to save his own skin
2- life on this earth is the most important thing to non-spiritual people.
3- one who gives up his life to save others
4- Jesus was the most unselfish man whoever

do you think that these qualities are God’s qualities!!!!! Wake up before it's too late.

by the way why you did not answer my question.
If Jesus has no human being adjectives why he did not protect himself from crucifying on the cross??!!!!
And do not tell me he sacrifice himself to take our sin, because if he God or son of God he could do this without sacrifice

 

[YESHUA]

We believe all prophets are sinless,
If Jesus has no human being adjectives why he did not protect himself from crucifying on the cross.
And do not tell me he sacrifice himself to take our sin, because if he God or son of God he could do this without sacrifice.

So you justfy murder. Is that correct? Because mohammed admitted he murdered.

Jesus did not come here to save his own skin. But life on this earth is the most important thing to non-spiritual people. Who do you think shows the greater love? One who kills others to save his own skin, or one who gives up his life to save others even though he had the power to save his own skin? Which do you think shows more courage? Wanting to save one's own skin or going through beatings and torture to pay the price for your sin? Jesus was the most unselfish man whoever lived. He died for you even though you could care less. You seem to think genuine love for others is looking out for ourselves! You couldn't be further from the truth.

Don’t thing you talking about Jesus as any human kind?!
You wrote:
1-Jesus did not come here to save his own skin
2- life on this earth is the most important thing to non-spiritual people.
3- one who gives up his life to save others
4- Jesus was the most unselfish man whoever

do you think that these qualities are God’s qualities!!!!! Wake up before it's too late.

by the way why you did not answer my question.
If Jesus has no human being adjectives why he did not protect himself from crucifying on the cross??!!!!
And do not tell me he sacrifice himself to take our sin, because if he God or son of God he could do this without sacrifice

YESHUA was born to die on the cross haven't you read that yet I think that it has been posted here not long ago it only shows that your not reading what the people post are you.
It was the LORDS goodwill to crucify HIM on a cross and thats what HE did for the sake of all mankind not only Jews but also the Gentiles all who would make HIM their LORD and SAVIOUR. YESHUA even foretold HIS own death and resurrection. Only a sinless human could save us from the wrath of GOD, you se that because your god is not sinless and holy you don't understand the concept of being holy and sinless so the prophet so is the god I think you can understand that it shouldn't that hard should it?

Matthew 20

And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA

 

[Gary]

Muhsen, maybe you can answer this.....

(1) The virgin-birth of Jesus (Yes/No)
(2) The sinlessness of Jesus (Yes/No)
(3) The ascension of Jesus to heaven (Yes/No)
(4) The second coming of Jesus (Yes/No)
(5) Jesus is called Al-Masih - The Messiah (Yes/No)
(6) Jesus is called Kalmatuhu - The Word of God (Yes/No)

Yes, I agree with these. .... But I know you are going to interpret these things from a Christian perspective. Why not try looking at it from the view point of what God states in the Quran?

OK, what is "The Messiah" (Al-Masih)? What does it mean?

As you suggested, please only use the Quran to explain this term!!

I dont think that the Quran has to explain what the word means. That is not its job......

Masih = annointed one, So in that case Jesus was annointed.

Thanks Qasim786. Yes, you are right. The Quran does NOT explain the term Al-Masih. So now you will have to go OUTSIDE the Quran to get an explanation.

What do YOU think the title Al-Masih (Anointed One) means? What are the implications of that title? Why does the Quran give Jesus this title?



Muhsen, do YOU know the answer?

 

[warner]

The Muslim perspective is contradictory, Mushen. The Muslems say Jesus was sinless yet claim that he was a human being! That's an oxymoron. Humans by nature are sinful. So the Muslims say Jesus was sinless yet do not see sinlessness as God's nature, but human nature! This is another blatant contradiction. Once again, the truth does not contradict itself so the Koran cannot be the truth.

this is where Christianity falters and fails to recognise the difference between a normal person and a prophet.Prophets were chosen as the elite of GOd's creation, the best among them to carry GODs message.How can a prophet come to preach to a nation when he himself is sinning.Why would God chose a sinner to preach to his people and then destroy the natiopn when they sin but save the prophet like in the case of LOT.Had he been a sinner he would have perished with his people too. The bible acsibe to prophets what they did not do. the Bible makes sinners out of prophets but tio Justify Jesus is GOD try to show he is the only sinless out of all prophets. Christians claim Prophets sinned so it can justify their sins so they can sin as much as they want and then attribute it to prophet.Look at the case of Jimmy swaggart who slandered Islam for Polygamy but was then caught coming out of a brothjel with a prostiute.When question he attributed it to David and Solomon, they committed sins according to the Bible so it justifies his action.What Blaspheme!
Peace

 

[Muhsen]

Muhsen, maybe you can answer this.....

(1) The virgin-birth of Jesus (Yes/No)
(2) The sinlessness of Jesus (Yes/No)
(3) The ascension of Jesus to heaven (Yes/No)
(4) The second coming of Jesus (Yes/No)
(5) Jesus is called Al-Masih - The Messiah (Yes/No)
(6) Jesus is called Kalmatuhu - The Word of God (Yes/No)

Yes, I agree with these. .... But I know you are going to interpret these things from a Christian perspective. Why not try looking at it from the view point of what God states in the Quran?

OK, what is "The Messiah" (Al-Masih)? What does it mean?

As you suggested, please only use the Quran to explain this term!!

I dont think that the Quran has to explain what the word means. That is not its job......

Masih = annointed one, So in that case Jesus was annointed.

Thanks Qasim786. Yes, you are right. The Quran does NOT explain the term Al-Masih. So now you will have to go OUTSIDE the Quran to get an explanation.

What do YOU think the title Al-Masih (Anointed One) means? What are the implications of that title? Why does the Quran give Jesus this title?



Muhsen, do YOU know the answer?

In the Qur'an Jesus (P) is specifically referred to as al-maseeh, the "al" a closely equivalent to "the" in English. Linguistic scholars of the Arabic language have proposed a number of reasons for the usage of al-maseeh as an appellation for Jesus (P). Among those definitions is that he was called maseeh, is because he would rub (yamsaH) over the blind's eye, and his sight would return. And he would touch or rub the lepers and the sick, and they would be healed. Rub is MAS-H in Arabic, which is a root for MaseeH. MaSsaHa means rubbed, i.e. to cause friction or to massage, yamsaHu means he rubs, etc. Some scholars hold that the word means ‘truthful’, and was used as an appellation for Jesus (pbuh) to imply to his truthfulness. Some hold it was used as an appellation for Jesus (pbuh) because he lived his life without taking for himself a permanent abode (as the Arabic phrase ‘Masaha al-Ardh’ implies a person who travels a lot). Some think that the reason for this appellation was that Jesus (pbuh) used to correct others of their diseases merely by the touch of his hands, and thus was called ‘Al-Maseeh’, implying the one who anoints for removing disease. Some hold that the reason for this appellation was that Jesus (pbuh) was anointed with blessings. While, some hold that the appellation was given to Jesus (pbuh) because he came into this world out of his mother’s womb, naturally and divinely anointed with oil.

One may hold any of the opinions given above (or even one besides these), which in his opinion gives an acceptable reason for the particular appellation for Jesus (pbuh). However, referring to Jesus (pbuh) as "the Messiah" does not make him Divine or anything above the other Prophets. Maseeh does not not mean anything except annointed and does not signify special powers or anything. The notion that calling Jesus (pbuh)'"Al-Maseeh" make him GOD is a feeble attempt to justify his supposed Divinity, to say the least. Looking at a wider context, every prophet of God is an anointed one of God, a Messiah. "Al-Maseeh" or "Christ" however is exclusively reserved for Jesus, in both Islam and Christianity. This is not unusual in religion. There are certain titles which may be applied to more than one prophet, yet being made exclusive to: like "Rasulullah", meaning "Messenger of God", which title is applied to both Moses (Sura' Maryam(19):51) and Jesus (Sura' As-Shaff(61):6) in the Noble Qur'an. Yet "Rasullullah" has become synonymous with Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, among Muslims.

Every prophet is indeed a "Friend of God", but its Arabic equivalent "Khaleellullah" is exclusively associated with Prophet Abraham (pbuh) (see Sura' an-Nissa'(4):125) . However, just because prophet Abraham is the "friend of God," this does not imply that all other prophets (Noah, Moses, etc.) are all "enemies of God".

"Kaleemullah", meaning "One who spoke with Allah" is never used for anyone other than Moses (see Sura' An-Nissa'(4):164) , yet we believe that God spoke with many of His messengers, including Jesus and Muhammed, may the peace and blessings of God be upon all His prophets.

In Sura' Maryam(19):13, John the Baptist (Yahya) is given a unique title. He is referred to as "zakawah", which also comes from the same root as the word "zakiyaa" which is also used for Jesus, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Additionally, a young boy in Sura' Al-Kahfi(18):74 is described as "zakiyah" (i.e. innocent), which also comes from the same root. In this verse it refers to being seemingly innocent, not absolutely so. The word used for the Prophet John means "pure", "righteous" and/or "faultless". Again, this does not mean that the other Prophets of God are sinful or not righteous. Associating certain titles with certain personages only does not make them exclusive or unique in any way. Muslims honour all in varying terms.

The same can be said of the title "Al-Maseeh". Jesus alaihissalam was appointed (anointed) at his baptism by John the Baptist, as God's Messenger. Every prophet of God is so anointed or appointed. The Christian should realize that the Bible is replete with the "anointed" ones. The kings of Bani Israeel are all anointed, i.e. rubbed (1 Samuel 15:17). In the original Hebrew, Jesus was made a Messiah. Let us keep to the English translation "anointed."

 

[Gary]

Thanks Muhsen. Can you now see how feeble the Quran really is? It uses a term which is not explained and you have to copy-and-paste some rubbish with a lot of speculation.... most of which is utter rubbish. The Quran does not help you here at all.

Should I now explain what "The Messiah" really means?

Remember, Muhammad was very late on the scene... nearly 700 years later. He did have contact with Jews and Christians so if his idea of The Messiah was different to what they understood, then surely he would have included that in his Quran!

So I will give you the correct interpretation of The Messiah....

 

[Muhsen]

Gary, that wasn’t from Quran.
By the way why you did not give the interpretation of The Messiah.... according your great perspective !!!!!!!!!

 

[YESHUA]

Gary, that wasn’t from Quran.
By the way why you did not give the interpretation of The Messiah.... according your great perspective !!!!!!!!!

By Ali Sina

"Islam is a religion of peace". This is what our politically correct politicians keep telling us. But what is politically correct is not necessarily correct. The truth is that Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a religion of hate, of terror and of war.

A thorough study of the Quran and Hadith reveal an Islam that is not being presented honestly by the Muslim propagandists and is not known to the majority of the people of the world including Muslim themselves. Islam, as it is taught in the Quran (Koran) and lived by Muhammad, as is reported in the Hadith (Biography and sayings of the Prophet) is a religion of Injustice, Intolerance, Cruelty, Absurdities, discrimination, Contradictions, and blind faith. Islam advocates killing the non-Muslims and abuses the human rights of minorities and women. Islam expanded mostly by Jihad (holy war) and forced its way by killing the non-believers. In Islam apostasy is the biggest crime punishable by death. Muhammad was a fundamentalist himself therefore fundamentalism cannot be separated from the true Islam. Islam means submission and it demands from its followers to submit their wills and thoughts to Muhammad and his imaginary Allah. Allah is a deity that despises reason, democracy, freedom of thought and freedom of expression.

I reject Islam a) because of Muhammad’s lack of moral and ethical fortitude and b) because of the absurdities in the Quran.

a) Muhammad lived a less than holy life. His lust for sex, his affairs with his maids and slave girls, his pedophilic relationship at age 54 with Aisha, a 9-year-old child, his killing sprees, his massacre and the genocide of the Jews, his slave making and trading, his assassination of his opponents, his raids and lootings of the merchant caravans and unarmed villagers, his burning of trees, his destroying the water wells, his cursing and invoking evil on his enemies, his revenge on his captured prisoners of war, his torturing of his captives to for greed and his hallucinations such as believing of having sex with his wives when he actually did not, disqualify him as a sane person let alone a messenger of God

b) An unbiased study of the Quran shows that far from being a “miracleâ€Â, that book is a hoax. The Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. Could possibly the author of this Universe be as ignorant as it appears to be in the Quran?

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), slay them (9:5), fight with them (8:65 ), strive against them with great endeavor (25:52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (66:9) and strike off their heads; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives†for ransom ;47:4).

This is how the pagans are to be treated. As for the Christians and the Jews, the order is to subdue them and impose on them a penalty tax, after humiliating them (9:29) and if they resist, kill them.
The Quran is alien to freedom of belief and recognizes no other religion but Islam (3:85). It condemns those who do not believe to hellfire (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), orders the Muslims to fight them until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193), slay or crucify or cut the hands and the feet of the unbelievers and to expel them from the land with disgrace.

It stresses that the disbelievers shall have a great punishment in the world hereafter (5:34) and figuratively depicts a horrendous chastisement for them stating that they will go to hell to drink boiling water (14:17), that they will be engulfed in smoke and flames like the wall and the roof of a tent and if they implore relief they will be granted water like melting brass that will scald their faces, (18:29) and that "garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods†(22:19).

It also prohibits Muslims to associate with their own brothers and fathers if they are non-believers (9:23), (3:28).

As for the women the book of Allah is emphatic that they are inferior to men and if they disobey their husbands the latter have the right to beat them (4:34). Their punishment for disobeying their husbands does not end there, because after they die they will go to hell (66:10). The Quran emphasizes the superiority of men by confirming that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their testimony is not admissible in the court of law unless it is accompanied with the testimony of a man (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslim men to marry up to four wives (although he himself had a score of them) and gave them license to enjoy their "right-hand possessions" (women captured in wars), as many as they can capture or afford to buy (4:3), even if the woman is married before being captured (4:24).

The man who called himself the holy Prophet and a "mercy of God for all beings" did just that. Jawairiyah, Rayhanah and Safiyah were beautiful young girls who were captured when he raided the tribes of Banu al-Mustaliq, Qurayza and Nadir. The prophet slew their husbands, fathers and their male relatives and slept with them in the same day he captured them.

This book scrutinizes Islam with Rational Thinking. It rejects time-honored beliefs that cannot stand the probing of reason. It asks questions and encourages independent thinking. It promotes unity of humankind, equality between men and women, abolition of prejudices and freedom from dogmatism and blind faith.

In a world that has become technologically so advanced that even some poor nations that cannot feed themselves boast having nuclear and biological weapons, small misunderstandings can have catastrophic results. Religion has always been the main source misunderstandings among mankind. For religion, many people are ready to die, kill and destroy everything. Islam encourages that aggressive spirit explicitly. Only a Muslim can believe that he would go to paradise if he kills other human beings. Only a Muslim has no regard for lives that he destroys because their faith is not right.

In the last few decades, and thanks to the newfound wealth of the oil rich Islamic countries and massive immigration to the West, Islamic fundamentalism has been on the rise and the dormant spirit of Jihadism has been rekindled once again. This fervor has been translated into terrorism, revolutions, and upheavals, and the world peace has been put in jeopardy. Millions of lives are now in danger.

Muhammad told his followers:

“Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you� (2:216).

Is fighting really good for us?

He did not stop there! He made war a religious obligation and said:

“Unless ye go forth, He (Allah) will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place†(9:39).

Let us pause for a moment and take a second look at Islam. Can these really be the words of God? Was Muhammad really a messenger of God or was he a crazy man, like Hitler, who used the religious sentiment of the gullible to conquer, to dominate and to have an endless supply for his narcissistic cravings?

Islam is a cult created by a psychopath. It cannot be reformed. It must be eradicated. Islam must be eradicated not because the Quran says Earth is flat or the shooting stars are missiles that Allah fires at the Jinns who climb the heaven to eavesdrop on the conversation of the exalted assembly. These stupid tales could even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing of non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights. Islam must go not because it is false but because it is destructive, because it is dangerous; a threat to peace and security of humankind. With the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in Islamic countries, Islam has become a serious and a real threat to the survival of our civilization.

We don't have to face another world war. We can stop this madness by eradicating Islam. We can love each other like members of one family and celebrate our diversity. We can build a better world for our children. We can sing the songs of unity together. We can make this world a paradise but we have to remove the false doctrines that divide mankind into “us†versus â€Åthem†and believers versus disbelievers first.

 

[YESHUA]

Gary, that wasn’t from Quran.
By the way why you did not give the interpretation of The Messiah.... according your great perspective !!!!!!!!!

A Letter to Mankind
Dear fellow human,

Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take place on daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy us. The agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of children. Every day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted and murdered. It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not!

The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, "Know your enemy and you won't be defeated". Do we know our enemy? If we don't, then we are doomed.

Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists kill for an ideology. They call that ideology Islam.

The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the terrorists have hijacked "the religion of peace" and Islam does not condone violence.

Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do those who decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our victory, and failure to find that key will result in our loss and death will be upon us. The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam.

Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of the terrorists of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their prophet did not do and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape, assassination, beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the hearts of the believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him and were observed by Muslims throughout their history.

If truth has ever mattered, it matters most now! This is the time that we have to call a spade a spade. This is the time that we have to find the root of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic terrorism is Islam. The proof of that is the Quran.

We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil and have risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may be, only truth can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy? How many more innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes? A nuclear disaster is upon us. This will happen. It is not a question of "if" but "when". Oblivious of that, the world is digging its head deeper in the sand.

We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses, justifications and rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into "us" vs. "them" and Muslims vs. Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a messenger of God. It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The terrorists take their moral support and the validation for their actions from you. Your very adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for their crimes against humanity.

We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically correct lest they hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To Hell with their sensitivities! Let us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent people.

Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do nothing. Time is running out! "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing." Do something! Send this message to everyone in your address book and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism. This is your world, save it.

The ex-Muslim Movement

 

[Muhsen]

Thanks Muhsen. Can you now see how feeble the Quran really is? It uses a term which is not explained and you have to copy-and-paste some rubbish with a lot of speculation.... most of which is utter rubbish. The Quran does not help you here at all.

Should I now explain what "The Messiah" really means?

Remember, Muhammad was very late on the scene... nearly 700 years later. He did have contact with Jews and Christians so if his idea of The Messiah was different to what they understood, then surely he would have included that in his Quran!

So I will give you the correct interpretation of The Messiah....

Gary I gave Muslims interpretation of the meaning of Almassih I am still waiting your great interpretation, why you fled!!!!!?

 

[Gary]

Muhsen where do you think I will get the correct interpretation of the concept of The Messiah from? Any ideas?

 

[Muhsen]

Why you are circling around yourself
This is up to you just I need the meaning from you whether from the corrupted Bible or others

 

[Gary]

The Messiah

Muhsen, I am glad you have admitted that you CANNOT get the meaning or the context of the title "The Messiah" from the Quran. At last we agree on something.

Do you know how many times the title is used in the Quran? In nearly a dozen times, the Quran refers to Jesus as al-Masih, al-Masihu Isa and al-Masihu Maryam. It is a unique title, given to no one else.

So what is so special about the title? What does the word mean?

Without an explanation in Islam, one has to go to the Jewish and Christian scriptures to find its meaning.

It is an arabised form of ha-Mashiah, the Hebrew title which does have a meaning, namely "the Anointed One." The Jews had long awaited this coming figurehead, especially after his advent had been announced through all the prophets. It was Daniel, however, who first gave the coming Son of David the express title Messiah (Daniel 9:25).

Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. Daniel 9:25

All Jews and Christians know that this specific title, the Messiah, speaks of a man who stands out above all other men, including the other messengers of God. The Old Testament prophecies show that he would be possessed of a regality, majesty, splendour and excellence above all other men. While denying that Jesus is the Son of God, the Qur’an, nevertheless, is giving him a title that implies that he is the ultimate man of human history and the holy one who was to be the final expression of the revelation of God to men. "God was in the Messiah, reconciling the world to himself" (2 Corinthians 5:19).

In Biblical times, the expressions Messiah and Son of God were synonymous. Let us look at some key texts to prove the point:

1. Jewish believers in Jesus

The Jewish disciples of Jesus freely used the two titles, Messiah and Son of God, interchangeably. Simon Peter was one of the first Jewish followers of Jesus to do so:

You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God. Matthew 16:16

Nathaniel was another who simultaneously called Jesus the Son of God and the King of Israel, another synonym for Messiah (John 1:49). Martha, the sister of Lazarus and Mary, also used the two titles simultaneously in her expression of belief in Jesus:

I believe you are the Messiah, the Son of God, he who is coming into the world. John 11:27

2. Caiaphas, the Jewish High Priest

When Jesus was brought before Caiaphas, the High Priest of Israel, on the night of his trial, Caiaphas also used the titles synonymously when placing Jesus on oath to declare whether he was the Son of God:

I adjure you, by the living God, tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God. Matthew 26:63

3. The Early Christian Gospel-Writers

The closest followers of Jesus during his lifetime, and others who followed him shortly after his resurrection and ascension to heaven, also used the titles together in various contexts to declare who Jesus really was. Here are two examples:

The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God. Mark 1:1

These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name. John 20:31

4. Demons who Recognised Him

Even the demons who were chased out of many they had possessed knew that Jesus was both the Messiah and the Son of God. They knew him from all eternity as the eternal Son from the Father and recognised him in human form when he commanded them with authority to depart.

And demons also came out of many, crying, "You are the Son of God!" But he rebuked them, and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Messiah. Luke 4:41

From all these texts we can see how unique the title Messiah is. It is no ordinary title, it is one of the highest eminence and only the Son of God in human form could claim it. This much is obvious from the texts we have quoted. Both the followers of Jesus and his enemies knew who the Messiah really would be.

By admitting that Jesus is the Messiah and by confirming his own emphatic declaration to this effect (John 4:25-26), the Qur’an has duly given Jesus a title which implies that he is the very person that the Qur’an is otherwise at such pains to deny, the Son of God himself!!!

More to follow.....

 

[TheStudent]

'A thorough study of the Quran and Hadith reveal an Islam that is not being presented honestly by the Muslim propagandists and is not known to the majority of the people of the world including Muslim themselves. '

yeshua, it says in the Quran ' to gain knowledge,you must speak to those with knowledge'. who knows more about islam, a Sheikh or a Priest? you or me?

you truly have no knowledge.

everything you wrote after this comment is taken completely out of context. you are very good at doing that.

your other comments about 'eradicting islam' sound very hypocritical.
one moment you stress the love and mercy of jesus, then the next you wish to send everyone who dosent believe the same as you do to hell?!

did jesus not teach you to 'love your enemy'? where is your love?

but remember, you are not my enemy. you are of the people of the book. you are my friend. i have nothing but respect and honour for you. even though there are some things we disagree with, i know that the majority of which you speak is the truth. all i am trying to do is to help you see the false from the the truth. i do not slander or am trying to 'eradicicte' christianity. i am only inviting you to see the truth from my perspective. i only want you to understand Islam! i can not force you to revert. that is between you and God. so do not hate and do not be afraid. in the quran it says about christians that they have no arrogance. please show me that this is true.

 

[Muhsen]

The Messiah

Muhsen, I am glad you have admitted that you CANNOT get the meaning or the context of the title "The Messiah" from the Quran. At last we agree on something.

Do you know how many times the title is used in the Quran? In nearly a dozen times, the Quran refers to Jesus as al-Masih, al-Masihu Isa and al-Masihu Maryam. It is a unique title, given to no one else.

So what is so special about the title? What does the word mean?

Without an explanation in Islam, one has to go to the Jewish and Christian scriptures to find its meaning.

It is an arabised form of ha-Mashiah, the Hebrew title which does have a meaning, namely "the Anointed One." The Jews had long awaited this coming figurehead, especially after his advent had been announced through all the prophets. It was Daniel, however, who first gave the coming Son of David the express title Messiah (Daniel 9:25).

Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. Daniel 9:25

All Jews and Christians know that this specific title, the Messiah, speaks of a man who stands out above all other men, including the other messengers of God. The Old Testament prophecies show that he would be possessed of a regality, majesty, splendour and excellence above all other men. While denying that Jesus is the Son of God, the Qur’an, nevertheless, is giving him a title that implies that he is the ultimate man of human history and the holy one who was to be the final expression of the revelation of God to men. "God was in the Messiah, reconciling the world to himself" (2 Corinthians 5:19).

In Biblical times, the expressions Messiah and Son of God were synonymous. Let us look at some key texts to prove the point:

1. Jewish believers in Jesus

The Jewish disciples of Jesus freely used the two titles, Messiah and Son of God, interchangeably. Simon Peter was one of the first Jewish followers of Jesus to do so:

[quote:e352b]You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God. Matthew 16:16

Nathaniel was another who simultaneously called Jesus the Son of God and the King of Israel, another synonym for Messiah (John 1:49). Martha, the sister of Lazarus and Mary, also used the two titles simultaneously in her expression of belief in Jesus:

I believe you are the Messiah, the Son of God, he who is coming into the world. John 11:27

2. Caiaphas, the Jewish High Priest

When Jesus was brought before Caiaphas, the High Priest of Israel, on the night of his trial, Caiaphas also used the titles synonymously when placing Jesus on oath to declare whether he was the Son of God:

I adjure you, by the living God, tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God. Matthew 26:63

3. The Early Christian Gospel-Writers

The closest followers of Jesus during his lifetime, and others who followed him shortly after his resurrection and ascension to heaven, also used the titles together in various contexts to declare who Jesus really was. Here are two examples:

The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God. Mark 1:1

These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name. John 20:31

4. Demons who Recognised Him

Even the demons who were chased out of many they had possessed knew that Jesus was both the Messiah and the Son of God. They knew him from all eternity as the eternal Son from the Father and recognised him in human form when he commanded them with authority to depart.

And demons also came out of many, crying, "You are the Son of God!" But he rebuked them, and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Messiah. Luke 4:41

From all these texts we can see how unique the title Messiah is. It is no ordinary title, it is one of the highest eminence and only the Son of God in human form could claim it. This much is obvious from the texts we have quoted. Both the followers of Jesus and his enemies knew who the Messiah really would be.

By admitting that Jesus is the Messiah and by confirming his own emphatic declaration to this effect (John 4:25-26), the Qur’an has duly given Jesus a title which implies that he is the very person that the Qur’an is otherwise at such pains to deny, the Son of God himself!!!

More to follow.....

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Your post is very weak.
Quran did not say Almasihu Mariam, only Almasihu Isa,
If you believe that Mariam Mary also is Almasihu, so you already refuted your claims.
Almasihu = Son of God
So Isa = Son Of God
So if Mary Is Almasihu so = Son of God also. So do you believe that Mariam also is daughter of God. LOL. If no then you admit that you are wrong, If yes you already contradict your scripture.


Also you gave some verses from the bible never said that the meaning of Almasih is Son of God, nor he over all men, its anointed One,
In Quran Almasihu was Synonym for Ibn Mariam means son of Meryam no more than Prophet.



Here Muslims View of the meaning of Almasihu:

Because he would rub (yamsaH) over the blind's eye, and his d maseeh sight would return. And he would touch or rub the lepers and the sick, and they would be healed. Rub is MAS-H in Arabic, which is a root for MaseeH. MaSsaHa means rubbed, i.e. to cause friction or to massage, yamsaHu means he rubs, etc. Some scholars hold that the word means ‘truthful’, and was used as an appellation for Jesus (pbuh) to imply to his truthfulness. Some hold it was used as an appellation for Jesus (pbuh) because he lived his life without taking for himself a permanent abode (as the Arabic phrase ‘Masaha al-Ardh’ implies a person who travels a lot). Some think that the reason for this appellation was that Jesus (pbuh) used to correct others of their diseases merely by the touch of his hands, and thus was called ‘Al-Maseeh’, implying the one who anoints for removing disease. Some hold that the reason for this appellation was that Jesus (pbuh) was anointed with blessings. While, some hold that the appellation was given to Jesus (pbuh) because he came into this world out of his mother’s womb, naturally and divinely anointed with oil.

 

[warner]

(1) The virgin-birth of Jesus (Yes/No)
(2) The sinlessness of Jesus (Yes/No)
(3) The ascension of Jesus to heaven (Yes/No)
(4) The second coming of Jesus (Yes/No)
(5) Jesus is called Al-Masih - The Messiah (Yes/No)
(6) Jesus is called Kalmatuhu - The Word of God (Yes/No)

Yes i agree with these. Jesus was God's word because God said 'be' and Jesus was. But i know you are going to interpret these things from a Christian perspective. Why not try looking at it from the view point of what God states in the Quran?

OK, what is "The Messiah" (Al-Masih)? What does it mean?



As you suggested, please only use the Quran to explain this term!!

Part I -- What is a Messiah?

In the words of your own people


Messiah comes from the Hebrew word for "anointed one," which is pronounced "Moshiach." Kings, prophets, and priests were all anointed. Hence, all were messiahs. In the Bible, you can break prophecy into two groups, immediate prophecies and long-term prophecies. Immediate prophecies are prophecies that take place not long after they are given. Long-term prophecies are another category altogether. These prophecies can all be construed as messianic, since they refer to the Messianic Era. These prophecies that refer to a future king are the ones that refer to the Messiah himself. We call him the Messiah by convention because all kings were messiahs, since they were all anointed.
So where is the peoblem if the quran too mentions him as a messiah.
peace
:angel:

 

[Gary]

Warner, only Jesus is called "The Messiah" in the Quran. Why?

All Jews and Christians know that this specific title, the Messiah, speaks of a man who stands out above all other men, including the other messengers of God.

The Old Testament prophecies show that he would be possessed of a regality, majesty, splendour and excellence above all other men.

 

[Qasim786]

Warner, only Jesus is called "The Messiah" in the Quran. Why?

All Jews and Christians know that this specific title, the Messiah, speaks of a man who stands out above all other men, including the other messengers of God.

The Old Testament prophecies show that he would be possessed of a regality, majesty, splendour and excellence above all other men.

Just because Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) is the only one with that title in the Quran, it still does not make him more than a messenger. Different prophets had different titles, like the Prophet Abraham, was Kaleelullah, or friend of God. That does not mean the other prophets were not the friends of God, it just means that that title was specifically used for Abraham.

Can you tell me what exactly the Jews believe about the Messiah and what he will do for them. Do they believe that he would all will be (in thier case) divine and will they worship him? Also where in the bible does the term Messiah mean a person who is above all other human beings and is divine. Son of God does not make Jesus divine either because as you have already been shown in earlier posts, Son of God is not a unique title for Jesus.

Ive also read that the dead sea scrolls point to the coming of not one but two messiahs. One would be a priestly and the other a temporary Messiah.

With that in mind, what i dont seem to understand is that how you can see the term 'Messiah' in the Quran as making him above other prophets or divine. Why did you leave out the verse which condemns those who say that Christ is God, and the verses that say that he is no more than a messenger of God, and the only one who is worthy of worship is the one who sent him.

Quran Surah 5:75 - "They do blaspheme who say:'God is Christ the son of Mary.' But said Christ: 'Oh Children of Israel! Worship God, my lord and your lord.'..." and the verse goes on.

So your "messiah means he was more than a prophet" theory goes totally out of the window because God condems those who make Jesus (Peace be upon him) more than an apostle. This is very clear, and you cannot dispute this with regards to the Quran.

 

[YESHUA]

My only question is this: Why?

Why do you believe Jesus was just a Messenger of God and Mohammed was the last?

Because Jesus was a Messenger, and his words has been changed by men, that’s why God sent Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as last prophet and he guarantied to protect the Quran from corruption.


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You believe this, and therefore it raises another question. If Jesus was a messenger of God, then how come he preached a different message? Mohommed says that if you are good and do good deeds you will enter Heaven, hoever, Jesus preaches its not by your works that you enter Heaven, its by your faith. So who is right? Now upon deciding who is right, you have to change your whole doctrine.

And Jesus (PBUH) do not preached a different message, he like all prophets brought the same message the monotheism, to worship God without partner, but his word has been changed by men.

Mohommed says that if you are good and do good deeds you will enter Heaven, hoever, Jesus preaches its not by your works that you enter Heaven, its by your faith

Actually this is a logical proof, proved that the bible has been corrupted and the Quran is God’s words. the Quran teaches us, to save your self, you have first to believe in one God
And to do good deeds and leave the evil deeds. That’s means faith and works.
But the bible teaches to save your self, you have to believe in Jesus as God or son of god without work, so if I am Christian I will do everything crimes murders adulteress, stealing…and because I believe in Jesus, he will forgive me and will send me to paradise because he sacrificed him self for me. Does this logical faith!!!!! No..
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Because your a muslim doesn't mean you have to be stupid, and even you should know better than to write some silly nonsense like the above.
Just what do mean its a logical proof that the Bible has been corrupted? If its only a logical proof then its not valid is it?
And you don't know what the Bible teaches do you?
And beside that how many muslim are guilty of the things your accusing us of do you know? I know and one day I will write and tell you it could be a new topic.
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA