The "Debate" that's not a Debate

[Narwhalist]

Mondar, by the way I don't HATE the Calvinist , I just feel it's wrong to read the Bible and interpret it to fit a label. Believe what you read, don't read what you believe into statements. God bless.

 

[josefnospam]

After God gives you his spirit to do so you must and by his will , will believe on him. We love him because he first loved us and gives to his people life to do so.

 

[josefnospam]

To Danus I want one thing..........To remain faithfull to God as he allows me to do so. But the time is fast approaching where either he returns or we die. Either way his choosen bloodbought children will get to see him as he is. But so so many people today believe in thier free will . This is the doctrine of men and the devil and leds men straight to hell. I cannot convice ,convict, or save anyone but woe to me if I don't warn them of his wrath coming because they do not believe in him alone. They believe they have a part in their salvation and this is one great lie our enemeny uses, taught in SO many churches and ACCEPTED as the gospil. But God still has some faithfull men today who will not compromise, water down or change the truth. I just pray he keeps me in his hands and allows me to proclaim his wonderfull, work and name to everyone and I know he uses us as he sees fit. His word will not retun void or go out in vain.

I am a sinner, I need him every day and I thank him for ALL his bloodbought children he chooses to save. He included me amd I am forever thankfull. There is no other way and he alone does this. We worship a GREAT and wonderfull God. But he is not only the God of love but also of Judgement and he may come sooner then we expect.

 

[farouk]

After God gives you his spirit to do so you must and by his will , will believe on him. We love him because he first loved us and gives to his people life to do so.

@josefnospam : The Spirit comes to indwell at the new birth. Romans 8.9 says: 'If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his'.

'Ye must be born again' (John 3) is a big aspect.

 

[Deborah13]

..........To remain faithfull to God as he allows me to do so.

2 Corinthians 5:20
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

What does this verse say to you?

 

[Messenger]

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. What does this verse say to you?

Consider what Christ has accomplished for all His elect!

beseech; parakaleō - to address or speak to; admonish, exhort

"the world": all of the election of Grace (Rom. 11:5); Jews and Gentiles


2 Cor. 5:17-21
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For He hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

Before the foundation of the world, all the sins that God's elect would ever commit were imputed to Christ
(2 Tim. 1:9), their Head and Mediator, and they were His spiritual Seed (Psalm 22:23). He made payment for them before He ever created the world (Rev.13:8). Upon coming into this world they are born sinners, but sin cannot be counted against them because it has already been paid for. They were all reconciled, brought into God's favor; they were justified while they were at enmity with God (Rom.5:10)... before they ever repented or believed. They are declared righteous through the death of Christ!

TGBTG!

 

[josefnospam]

2 cor 5:20 The apostle Paul as an ambasador for Christ in his physical absence wants all to be reconciled to God. That is admit there helpless state, admit they are sinners and come to him with a broken and contrite heart, believing Christ did ALL that was nessacary to save his blood bought people thru his precious shed blood, he poured out, for all that was given him by the father. Who are the ones who saw him and believed not in John 6:36? Peopel don't believe Christ did it all without their help, BEFORE he came to save his people. All that the father giveth me SHALL come to me: and him that cometh to me I will in no way cast out. John 6:37 ALL that the father gives to his son WILL come .
Verse 39.......And this is the Fathers will which has sent me , that of ALL which he hath given me I should lose nothing....... This is what this verse says to me` WE are abassadors in bond that we may speak boldly as we ought. Eph 6:20 We are kings and priests of God here on this earth to give him glory, and dominion for ever and ever Rev 1:6 Now Rev gets into some pictures and symbols that we don't all understand but Rev. 20:6 says" they shall be priest of God and of Christ' Our God rules over his creation right now, sitting on his throne and we are in him. Speak boldly of his perfect finished work and NEVER what any man may do. What does 2 Cor. 5:20 say to you?