The Deity of Christ: His Person

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It was the body born of Mary that was the one who met death on the cross and not Jesus himself who is the Almighty Lord God who only dwelt/inhabited inside that body. That body born of Mary is now kept inside NOah's ark hidden somewhere in the middle east together with the body of Moses

The Lord said that one of what was not written in the bible of today is the fact that He, the Lord God, created seventeen people from the start, they were created men and women and Adam and Eve were among them, one of them was a giant. This is the reason why Cain was able to find his wife when he was told to leave their place and, also, the reason why did God give him a mark for people not to harm of kill him.

Consider me done with this discussion. :o

 

[mutzrein]

Consider me done with this discussion. :o

Yep - me too. All yours Solo :-?

 

[AVBunyan]

Alright golfjack - what do you say to one such as I who says Jesus is the son of God - but not God. Am I lost in sin without hope?

Since this thread is dying out I'd like to comment before it is buried....

I do not believe a sinner has to understand the diety of Christ in order to be saved, but....but...

I also believe that once a man is saved and shown the diety of Christ from the scriptures then he will believe it....if not it may because the gospel is still hid from him.

God bless

 

[jgredline]

The Lord said that one of what was not written in the bible of today is the fact that He, the Lord God, created seventeen people from the start, they were created men and women and Adam and Eve were among them, one of them was a giant. This is the reason why Cain was able to find his wife when he was told to leave their place and, also, the reason why did God give him a mark for people not to harm of kill him.

Scorpia.
Incase you don't know this and I suspect you do know this.
Did you know you have the privilege of being mentioned in the Bible?
No kidding. The Apostle Peter speaks of you in one of His letters.

2 pet 2:1-3
2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

The Apostle Paul also speaks of you. Check it out.
1 Tim 4:1-2
4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

Really I am not kidding. Look up the verses for yourself.

 

[D46]

:-D

 

[Oscar3]

Mutz
I appologize for saying you believe that Jesus is a creature.
I have a question though.
If Jesus is not God as you say, then he is a created something right. What is he then?

 

[scorpia]

Scorpia.
Incase you don't know this and I suspect you do know this.
Did you know you have the privilege of being mentioned in the Bible?
No kidding. The Apostle Peter speaks of you in one of His letters.

What you do not notice is the one who is giving you the idea that you said above. From whom are those ideas?

2 pet 2:1-3
2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

The Apostle Paul also speaks of you. Check it out.

[quote="the bible":dbfbc]1 Tim 4:1-2
4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

[/quote:dbfbc]

These are only written words which you yourself are not privy with its original texts, are you? Are they the Lord God? If not, why treat them as if they were God? Why don't you face the reality of God rather than just conceptualizing God based on what you read in the bible? If you believe God is alive and real, why don't you come to God and learn directly from God himself?

Really I am not kidding. Look up the verses for yourself.

I know your not kidding because you are enslaved by what is only written instead of being subjected your whole being to the true God who is alive and real.

 

[Oscar3]

Scorpia
The truth hurts ha?
Repent and be baptized. Once you are born again you will see your false teachings that come from the devil the father of lies.

 

[Spirit Driven]

Mutz
I appologize for saying you believe that Jesus is a creature.
I have a question though.
If Jesus is not God as you say, then he is a created something right. What is he then?

Sigh..... Ok scripture actualy tells us plainly who Jesus is.....

There is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, to be testified in due time (1 Timothy 2:5-6).

As you can see Jesus is the Mediator between God and Man.... he is special creation indeed, his position as Son of the most High, is unique, there is no other like him..... and there is as the scripture tells us above..
There is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,


Peace

 

[scorpia]

Scorpia
The truth hurts ha?

?????????? Don't get what your basis in saying this to me. All I'm saying here is the reality of the exiistence of God and what God can do to us in order for us to get saved. I am not soliciting anything from anyone nor do I get any member for an organization or denomination. What truth hurts when the TRUTH, the God himself, the Lord Jesus Christ is all I am telling you guys. He, Jesus is real and alive whom we can always call upon and come to for us to study and learn directly from Him. What i know that hurts is for someone to realize that what he has try to save and treasure as spiritual wealth in all his life is just a hoax because same does not really come directly from God but from something else only. God is not something else but a real and true Almighty being.

Repent and be baptized. Once you are born again you will see your false teachings that come from the devil the father of lies

No one can experience to be born again reading only the bible. For someone to be born again is for that someone to meet Jesus himself in order that Jesus will be the One to teach him and then and only there that he will be able to be born again under the direct tutelage of the Lord God Jesus Christ, not only from the wisdom and understanding of him in reading the bible or in aid of his man pastor.

I am afraid you did not notice that the last part of your statement here jibes with the remarks of those people in the bible who mocked Jesus saying to the Lord that He had the spirit of Beelzebub. I am not Jesus but I do testify that Jesus is the real and true God because we are experiencing His reality of existence today just as Paul did experience Jesus, too, in his time. And we further testify, too, that whosoever call unto the Lord true to their heart and soul will also experience the Lord to be their Good Pastor and Teacher in their life.

By the way, how did you know that what I'm telling here are false teachings? What and Who your basis are?

 

[scorpia]

As you can see Jesus is the Mediator between God and Man.... he is special creation indeed, his position as Son of the most High, is unique, there is no other like him..... and there is as the scripture tells us above..
There is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Peace

Paul did experience Jesus alive and real, didn;t he? Did Jesus teach Paul or anyone from among the apostles exactly the things you are saying above? Did Jesus say in any part of the bible that He is a special creation indeed?

 

[scorpia]

I do not believe a sinner has to understand the diety of Christ in order to be saved, but....but...

But you have to call on first and come to Jesus himself for you to get saved and know who really Jesus is in His real existence.

I also believe that once a man is saved

How will this come to reality if not by Jesus himself teaching you the abc of salvation? Neither denominations nor man pastors can do this to you.

and shown the diety of Christ from the scriptures then he will believe it.

Jesus Christ is real and alive and Jesus is not confined in box or in a bible and the totality of Jesus is with Himself and not with the bible or any written scriptures. It is only Jesus himself who can show to anyone the deity of Himself and it is not from the bible that we can clearly understand His deity, who will teach us His deity by the way for us to understand same? our fellow men? man pastors? who else?

 

[jgredline]

Scorpia said and I quote:
Simply the Lord God said to us that His name from the very beginning is Jesus and He informed the seventeen people that He created from the very start that Jesus is His name and that no one from among them may use the name Jesus in naming their offspring and their offsrings' offsprings.

Can you please provide book, chapter and verse where this is Located?
Thanks

 

[scorpia]

Can you please provide book, chapter and verse where this is Located?
Thanks

Open your eyes wide jgredline, why are you always after for a book, a verse, a chapter, a bible, scriptures, etc, they are not the Lord God? Why don't you come directly to the Lord God Jesus Chrsit himself instead of those things? Don't you believe God is real and alive and that God can talk to you too should you come to God in the right garment and manner of calling and coming to HIm? Truth only resides in God and not in anything else, be it a bible or scriptures. Unless you come to God that you can only understand things in this life. No matter what books, chapters, verses, etc that I may give you, same will just be in vain with you because you are totally encapsulated in the bible alone. The bible is not God, just remember that.

 

[jgredline]

Open your eyes wide jgredline, why are you always after for a book, a verse, a chapter, a bible, scriptures, etc, they are not the Lord God? Why don't you come directly to the Lord God Jesus Chrsit himself instead of those things? Don't you believe God is real and alive and that God can talk to you too should you come to God in the right garment and manner of calling and coming to HIm? Truth only resides in God and not in anything else, be it a bible or scriptures. Unless you come to God that you can only understand things in this life. No matter what books, chapters, verses, etc that I may give you, same will just be in vain with you because you are totally encapsulated in the bible alone. The bible is not God, just remember that.

OK
So we have established that you are a prophet right?
I mean God speaks to you correct?
So you have no Book, chapter and verse for what you quoted to be the Word of God.
You obviously don't believe the Bible is the Word of God.
You find fault in me for loving the Bible the word of God as its obviouse by what you have stated in bold.
You make up and add scripture


Like I said earlier. You are a false prophet. One only needs to look at what you have writen in this thread. When you look back and read what you wrote, you are going to feel pretty dumb.

 

[Spirit Driven]

Paul did experience Jesus alive and real, didn;t he? Did Jesus teach Paul or anyone from among the apostles exactly the things you are saying above? Did Jesus say in any part of the bible that He is a special creation indeed?

The Holy Spirits Testimoney via the Apostle Paul tells us...

There is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, to be testified in due time (1 Timothy 2:5-6).

You either belive the Gospel or you do not..... and those are the only two Camps..... belief and un belief....


Peace

 

[mutzrein]

Re: reply

Mutz, I don't know if I understand your question. What do you mean by man's action outside of faith? I will try my best to answer your question. Could you be talking about How extreme Calvanism views Salvation?



May God bless, golfjack

I originally asked you if you thought I was lost in sin to which it seems you responded by saying: “Only God can forgive sins. He could be one of those that seem to think that Jesus came to save the flesh. Do you really believe Mormans are saved or for that matter Muslims, JW's, Hindu's, and so forth are saved? “

I then asked you about a scripture that indicates that forgiveness of our sin actual hinges on our forgiveness of others.

Perhaps if we could go back to the beginning of our exchange and I ask for clarification of your first answer because it looks as if things could have gotten a bit sidetracked by others. How does that sound?

BTW - I am happy to come back to any other point that has been raised in due course if you wish.

Thanks

 

[mutzrein]

Since this thread is dying out I'd like to comment before it is buried....

I do not believe a sinner has to understand the diety of Christ in order to be saved, but....but...

I also believe that once a man is saved and shown the diety of Christ from the scriptures then he will believe it....if not it may because the gospel is still hid from him.

God bless

Thankyou for that concession AV :D

Rest assured, the gospel is not hidden from me. As a matter of fact I believe the truth of the gospel is hidden from those who say that we are saved BECAUSE of some process of intellectual assent as to the nature of God.

I believe not merely because of what I have read, but because of what God has revealed to me - and which is confirmed in scripture.

 

[mutzrein]

Mutz
I appologize for saying you believe that Jesus is a creature.
I have a question though.
If Jesus is not God as you say, then he is a created something right. What is he then?

Why does Jesus have to be created to be the son of God? I think the problem is, we (mankind) try to understand the nature of God within the confines of our puny intellect.

Now by virtue of the fact that we are human beings we use the things we have knowledge of, to help us understand the things we don't. And because of this application of the intellect (which is of the flesh) our understanding of the realm of the Spirit is distorted and often misrepresented.

I have posted elsewhere as to the relationship between God and the Word of God - and this is something which stemmed directly from a revelation by God to my spirit. I'm happy to post it again. Just say the word & I'll do it.

 

[scorpia]

OK
So we have established that you are a prophet right?
I mean God speaks to you correct?

NOt only to me but also to some others hence I often used the word "we". And I do not discount the possibility that God may speak to you too should you just take heed of what God is telling all nations and tongues today.

So you have no Book, chapter and verse for what you quoted to be the Word of God.

Those that I am sharing with in this forum came directly from the Lord and not from the bible nor its verses but the Lord God Jesus Christ taught us some of the words/verses in the bible which were His real utterance and some which were not or altered ones.

You obviously don't believe the Bible is the Word of God.

Please be informed that my stand with the bible is based on what the Lord God Jesus Christ is teaching about the bible, that it (the bible) is not a pure and an infallible word of God. The bible does contain word of God but not all for some of it are just word of the devil, letters, cultures, traditions, laws, and teachings of men.

You find fault in me for loving the Bible the word of God as its obviouse by what you have stated in bold.

Actually, what I'm just asking you is to put God over and above the bible or any scripture for God is the rewarder of salvation and eternal life. As to finding fault in you, I do not have the intention of doing that to you. It is just a matter of exchanging pleasant reasoning.

You make up and add scripture

You're not God for you to know which is the true scriptures and which are not. And one thing more, you do not know nor you do not have any personal knowledge as to who really is the One giving us these things that we are sharing here with you. Unless you come to God that only then and there that you may know the truth of what we are telling here. Again, I do testify to all that it is the Lord God Jesus Christ who is the One commanding us to spread to all nations and tongues that the Almighty Lord God is still speaking with the people today, irregardless of races and colors, because the Lord said that He is the only Good Pastor and Teacher of all who will call on and come to Him in the right way.

Like I said earlier. You are a false prophet.

You are just speaking on your own and that you are just basing your conclusion on your own understanding based on what you are reading in the bible. The bible is not God and by whose authority are you now saying this thing to me?

One only needs to look at what you have writen in this thread. When you look back and read what you wrote, you are going to feel pretty dumb.

I am just sharing with you people what God gave us and still giving us today. WE are soliciting nothing from anyone but only tellign you to come straight to the Lord God, study and learn from the Lord God so that you may see the reality of the existence of God and that salvation and eternal life may be personally given to you by the Lord just as the apostles then did also experience same with the Lord. Say those things (your quote above) to me when we are already in the spiritual world after death.