The Difference betray and denial

[Eugene]

Brother smaller, what scripture was fulfilled?
Mat 26:21 Jesus said here that “one of you shall betray me.” Who betrayed Jesus?
Mat 26:25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, . . .

Psa 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.
Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. Who but Judas did Jesus lose?

Thanks.

 

[smaller]

Brother @Smaler, what scripture was fulfilled?
Mat 26:21 Jesus said here that “one of you shall betray me.” Who betrayed Jesus?
Mat 26:25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, . . .

Psa 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.
Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. Who but Judas did Jesus lose?

Thanks.

It is impossible to see only Judas in that event if we are paying attention:

Luke 22:3
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

John 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

John 13:2
And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;

I doubt Judas even knew what hit him anymore than Peter knew it was Satan speaking from his own lips in Matt. 16:23. They were both blindsided.

In any case it fulfilled Gods Will. Jesus' crucifixion was NOT the plan of man. It was a Precisely Divinely Orchestrated event every step of the way. IF we don't see these things as Gods Will Working, then it was nothing but a random accident.

Scriptures outright tell us that it was Gods Own Will.

Acts 4:
26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

Are we going to thank Judas for "allowing" Jesus to be killed via betrayal? Are we completely IGNORING Satan's role and just blaming Judas?

Or do we see that GOD HIMSELF WILLED THIS AND PLANNED IT?

 

[smaller]

I might make a similar observation with "ALL" the various encounters people had with Jesus, with encounters with devils, Satan etc.

Do we really believe that Gods Own Words, recorded for Truth and Hard Facts were just random silly willy nilly questions posed by the audience, as if it were an episode of Jerry Springer?

None of the encounters are "random acts" or "random questions" from supposed freewill agents just free forming nonsense off the top of their heads. Their questions are deliberate, Jesus' Answers even more so, deliberate.

All PLANNED to the last detail.

God wasn't just shooting from the hip with random encounters from the audience. No way.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Peter's sin saved Peter's life as Christ intended him to live and serve as the Rock. Peter's sin did not send Christ to the cross. By the time Peter did deny Christ it was too late and there was nothing Peter could do to stand up against the powers that be. Peter did indeed stand up for Christ when there was a chance for success in the garden, but Christ would have none of that.
Judas' sin resulted in Christ going to the cross and Judas had no hope. The Kingdom was Temple administered at that point in time and the Temple turned him away. There was no way for Judas to obtain atonement. He did the best he could but there was no vehicle , spiritually speaking, for Judas. There is no question Judas went to hell for his sin.......the only question is if Christ brought him out of there when He followed Judas there promptly. Was Judas a sheep in the wilderness at that point or a goat? I think a sheep ....when Christ came to him in hell to preach the gospel.