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The Duck Dynasty debacle
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When I'm wrong, I just can't, seem to, find the reason to put my nose in the air. My men used to place bets on how long it would take for me to back down when I messed up and Top, just, hated me because I did not let the error stand.Thank you Taylor
God bless.
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'Duck Dynasty': Inside the decision to suspend Phil Robertson
http://t.entertainment.msn.com/duck-dynasty-inside-the-decision-to-suspend-phil-robertson
A&E's top executive carefully considered whether to suspend "Duck Dynasty" star Phil Robertson over his anti-gay remarks, and ultimately decided his comparison of homosexuality to "bestiality" was over-the-line, a network executive told TheWrap.
The executive said that Nancy Dubuc, the CEO of A&E Networks, ultimately reached the suspension decision because Robertson's remarks were in conflict with "the fundamental values of the company." Dubuc was responding in part to the concern of employees within the company, the executive said.
"She gathered all the information, assessed it, thought seriously about this," said the executive. "It's a dilemma."
Dubuc is one of the most powerful television executives in Hollywood, overseeing A&E, Lifetime and History channels. Her dynasty is powered largely by "Duck Dynasty," the highest-rated reality show on the air.
The executive also said that arguments that A&E had somehow taken Robertson's free speech away were ridiculous, as a suspension from a television show did not curtail his ability to speak out freely.
The executive said that any notion that A&E had a conflict with Christianity was also absurd, considering A&E's History just aired the hit miniseries, "The Bible."
The decision to suspend Robertson came Wednesday night, hours after an early-morning phone call between A&E executives and GLAAD, the civil rights group told TheWrap. A GLAAD spokesman would not say which executives were on the call.
"They took this very seriously, as soon as the news broke," said Rich Ferrraro, the spokesman.
A&E initially released a statement from Robertson in which he said he would "never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me." But the network declined to comment itself until Wednesday night, when it announced the suspension.
Both the network and GLAAD have gotten heat for their stand: Talk show host Sean Hannity gave out the numbers on the air Thursday of Dubuc and A&E chairwoman Abbe Raven, and both received personal messages on Twitter. Some called for a boycott.
"Dear @AETV, congratulations, you just committed suicide," one "Duck Dynasty" fan wrote.
GLAAD, meanwhile, said it has never received as many angry calls and emails about one of its positions as it did about "Duck Dynasty."
"In the five-and-a-half years I've worked at GLAAD, I've never received so many violently angry phone calls and social media posts attacking GLAAD for us speaking out against these comments. phone calls who believe that he's correct."
http://t.entertainment.msn.com/duck-dynasty-inside-the-decision-to-suspend-phil-robertson
A&E's top executive carefully considered whether to suspend "Duck Dynasty" star Phil Robertson over his anti-gay remarks, and ultimately decided his comparison of homosexuality to "bestiality" was over-the-line, a network executive told TheWrap.
The executive said that Nancy Dubuc, the CEO of A&E Networks, ultimately reached the suspension decision because Robertson's remarks were in conflict with "the fundamental values of the company." Dubuc was responding in part to the concern of employees within the company, the executive said.
"She gathered all the information, assessed it, thought seriously about this," said the executive. "It's a dilemma."
Dubuc is one of the most powerful television executives in Hollywood, overseeing A&E, Lifetime and History channels. Her dynasty is powered largely by "Duck Dynasty," the highest-rated reality show on the air.
The executive also said that arguments that A&E had somehow taken Robertson's free speech away were ridiculous, as a suspension from a television show did not curtail his ability to speak out freely.
The executive said that any notion that A&E had a conflict with Christianity was also absurd, considering A&E's History just aired the hit miniseries, "The Bible."
The decision to suspend Robertson came Wednesday night, hours after an early-morning phone call between A&E executives and GLAAD, the civil rights group told TheWrap. A GLAAD spokesman would not say which executives were on the call.
"They took this very seriously, as soon as the news broke," said Rich Ferrraro, the spokesman.
A&E initially released a statement from Robertson in which he said he would "never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me." But the network declined to comment itself until Wednesday night, when it announced the suspension.
Both the network and GLAAD have gotten heat for their stand: Talk show host Sean Hannity gave out the numbers on the air Thursday of Dubuc and A&E chairwoman Abbe Raven, and both received personal messages on Twitter. Some called for a boycott.
"Dear @AETV, congratulations, you just committed suicide," one "Duck Dynasty" fan wrote.
GLAAD, meanwhile, said it has never received as many angry calls and emails about one of its positions as it did about "Duck Dynasty."
"In the five-and-a-half years I've worked at GLAAD, I've never received so many violently angry phone calls and social media posts attacking GLAAD for us speaking out against these comments. phone calls who believe that he's correct."
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‘Duck Dynasty’: How Phil Robertson Became an Instant Conservative Martyr. Sarah Palin even gets in on this
Star’s suspension by A&E fires up social conservatives
A&E’S decision to suspend Phil Robertson from “Duck Dynasty” over his anti-gay remarks made him an instant martyr among social conservatives eager to paint themselves as victims of an intolerant left.
Within hours of his suspension Thursday, he had drawn supportive statements from former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal, governor of his home state of Louisiana. A petition to return him to the show began circulating immediately.
In trying to reprimand one of its stars for remarks that were widely considered offensive — he grouped homosexuals with “drunks” and “terrorists” — the network offended the show’s fan base, many of whom share Robertson’s love of God and guns.
“The politically correct crowd is tolerant of all viewpoints, except those they disagree with,” Jindal said in a late-night statement. “I don’t agree with quite a bit of stuff I read in magazine interviews or see on TV. In fact, come to think of it, I find a good bit of it offensive. But I also acknowledge that this is a free country and everyone is entitled to express their views. In fact, I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment. It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended.”
See what he did there? He positioned Cyrus as a symbol of social liberals — who might be surprised by that news, given her conservative Christian upbringing — while branding Robertson a victim of overzealous progressives.
Tired of being accused of bullying women, gays and racial minorities, social conservatives have begun making the case that they themselves are an oppressed class. It’s most obvious with the supposed War on Christmas, a hyperbolic invention (“war”?) that presupposes that liberals are trying to take down the celebration.
It’s a classic argument technique: Say something absurd and provocative, and wait for your opponent to take it too far. Palin did it perfectly when she compared paying the national debt to slavery (absurd, provocative) and MSNBC’s Martin Bashir said she should suffer slavery-style torture (bizarrely personal, too far). Bashir soon resigned from the network.
Did A&E go too far when it suspended Robertson? It could have avoided the issue by persuading him to take a leave of absence, rather than ordering one. The decision gave conservatives a stronger case that he was the victim of thought policing.
“Free speech is an endangered species,” Palin said on Facebook Wednesday night. “Those ‘intolerants’ hatin’ and taking on the ‘Duck Dynasty’ patriarch for voicing his personal opinion are taking on all of us.”
Catch that? The “intolerants’” are the network executives who suspended Robertson for intolerance.
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The American Civil Liberties Union, for one, has declined to engage. The group declined to comment Thursday, with a representative telling TheWrap that it’s not “a First Amendment/free speech issue because it doesn’t involve the government.”
But it could be a workplace expression issue. And here’s where things get very messy. Few employers would hesitate to suspend or fire someone for expressing bigotry. But they would also be on shaky legal ground if they fired or suspended an employee based on his or her beliefs.
Disapproving of homosexuality appears to be genuine part of Robertson’s faith.
“Simply put, Phil Robertson is being censored and punished for quoting the Bible, and A&E’s treatment of him is punitive and highly discriminatory,” said Chris Stone, founder of Faith Driven Consumer, the group behind the IStandWithPhil.com petition. “Everyday people will not stand for this, they know bullying and violation of religious freedom when they see it. A&E’s actions are censoring Faith Driven Consumers and eliminating them from an entertainment choice that they have overwhelmingly supported.”
Robertson and his supporters might even make the case that he isn’t discriminating against gays. Though he doesn’t believe they’ll be joining him in heaven, he says he would never infringe on their rights on earth.
“I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me,” he said Wednesday. “We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”
Star’s suspension by A&E fires up social conservatives
A&E’S decision to suspend Phil Robertson from “Duck Dynasty” over his anti-gay remarks made him an instant martyr among social conservatives eager to paint themselves as victims of an intolerant left.
Within hours of his suspension Thursday, he had drawn supportive statements from former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal, governor of his home state of Louisiana. A petition to return him to the show began circulating immediately.
In trying to reprimand one of its stars for remarks that were widely considered offensive — he grouped homosexuals with “drunks” and “terrorists” — the network offended the show’s fan base, many of whom share Robertson’s love of God and guns.
“The politically correct crowd is tolerant of all viewpoints, except those they disagree with,” Jindal said in a late-night statement. “I don’t agree with quite a bit of stuff I read in magazine interviews or see on TV. In fact, come to think of it, I find a good bit of it offensive. But I also acknowledge that this is a free country and everyone is entitled to express their views. In fact, I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment. It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended.”
See what he did there? He positioned Cyrus as a symbol of social liberals — who might be surprised by that news, given her conservative Christian upbringing — while branding Robertson a victim of overzealous progressives.
Tired of being accused of bullying women, gays and racial minorities, social conservatives have begun making the case that they themselves are an oppressed class. It’s most obvious with the supposed War on Christmas, a hyperbolic invention (“war”?) that presupposes that liberals are trying to take down the celebration.
It’s a classic argument technique: Say something absurd and provocative, and wait for your opponent to take it too far. Palin did it perfectly when she compared paying the national debt to slavery (absurd, provocative) and MSNBC’s Martin Bashir said she should suffer slavery-style torture (bizarrely personal, too far). Bashir soon resigned from the network.
Did A&E go too far when it suspended Robertson? It could have avoided the issue by persuading him to take a leave of absence, rather than ordering one. The decision gave conservatives a stronger case that he was the victim of thought policing.
“Free speech is an endangered species,” Palin said on Facebook Wednesday night. “Those ‘intolerants’ hatin’ and taking on the ‘Duck Dynasty’ patriarch for voicing his personal opinion are taking on all of us.”
Catch that? The “intolerants’” are the network executives who suspended Robertson for intolerance.
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The American Civil Liberties Union, for one, has declined to engage. The group declined to comment Thursday, with a representative telling TheWrap that it’s not “a First Amendment/free speech issue because it doesn’t involve the government.”
But it could be a workplace expression issue. And here’s where things get very messy. Few employers would hesitate to suspend or fire someone for expressing bigotry. But they would also be on shaky legal ground if they fired or suspended an employee based on his or her beliefs.
Disapproving of homosexuality appears to be genuine part of Robertson’s faith.
“Simply put, Phil Robertson is being censored and punished for quoting the Bible, and A&E’s treatment of him is punitive and highly discriminatory,” said Chris Stone, founder of Faith Driven Consumer, the group behind the IStandWithPhil.com petition. “Everyday people will not stand for this, they know bullying and violation of religious freedom when they see it. A&E’s actions are censoring Faith Driven Consumers and eliminating them from an entertainment choice that they have overwhelmingly supported.”
Robertson and his supporters might even make the case that he isn’t discriminating against gays. Though he doesn’t believe they’ll be joining him in heaven, he says he would never infringe on their rights on earth.
“I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me,” he said Wednesday. “We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”
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After reading A&E's statement, in my opinion it looks like instead of considering they might have made a wrong decision, they are simply trying to do damage control to protect their almighty dollar after their poorly thought out actions. I think the average (but silent) American still believes in the ideas Phil expressed (even if he WAS more honest than diplomatic in his choice of individual words) and the average American is against what A&E did. Companies like A&E need to learn that when they kowtow to the demands of a minority organization like GLAAD that do not represent the views of the average American, they lose, and making excuses for it the next day doesn't make it ok. I hope Duck Dynasty packs up their stuff and move to another network that will be more supportive of people's rights to freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
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The reason why people are so sensitive about this sin is because the Devil wants to get them to think that sin is their identity, as if people practicing the sin of homosexuality are a separate race of people and thereby entitled to certain rights and priveleges, when in reality, homosexuality is a sin and is a verb, not a person. It is an action of sin, just as adultery or lying are actions of sin. Liars are not a separate subset of humans, just as those addicted to alcohol are not a separate species of humans that were "just born that way".
When people look at the brains of people who have practiced various sins, they see distortions there, which are the results of the sins - they are the physical consequences on the brain of a spiritual action (the specific sin). The Devil is just trying to say what is wrong is right and what is right is wrong.
Being politically correct is a disease that has tried to handcuff the Truth and silence it so that sin may abound and infect as many as possible, deceiving them as they ruin or at least severely hurt their souls.
Those who claim to care or love them should love them enough to tell the TRUTH and let the TRUTH make them free, rather than sit around saying 'whatever you want to do so long as you're happy' and then pick up the pieces later.
When people look at the brains of people who have practiced various sins, they see distortions there, which are the results of the sins - they are the physical consequences on the brain of a spiritual action (the specific sin). The Devil is just trying to say what is wrong is right and what is right is wrong.
Being politically correct is a disease that has tried to handcuff the Truth and silence it so that sin may abound and infect as many as possible, deceiving them as they ruin or at least severely hurt their souls.
Those who claim to care or love them should love them enough to tell the TRUTH and let the TRUTH make them free, rather than sit around saying 'whatever you want to do so long as you're happy' and then pick up the pieces later.
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Here it is: http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...ily-cannot-imagine-show-without-phil/4136541/
The family will not allow the show to continue without Phil.
The family will not allow the show to continue without Phil.
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This has become the topic of the day and Fox just had one of the Sponsors and the CEO, when what he would do if the show moved to another network, he said his company's money went with the Robertsons. Fox has also reported that the sponsors are, as a whole, of the same mind.
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Quite the financial boondoggle for A&E. Let this be a lesson to those networks that think it will always be in their best interest to support sin, they will not always win.
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I think too it should be a lesson to the media of how out of touch they really are with the feelings and desires of the majority of people, Christian or not. I'm seeing a huge backlash over this from the secular side as well. It's not just professing, church going Christians that are upset by this and have had enough of it! I think this is really showcasing just how much of a minority (although vocal minority) groups like GLAAD really are. I hope the media's kowtowing to those minorities finally comes back to bite them hard and all media will take a lesson from it!
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Duck Dynasty did not make the Robertsons, and it's admirable that they're sticking together, and to their convictions. A&E and all of the media should learn a lesson from this and stop trying to make they very people that make them buckle under to what they want to push on people. I think it would be funny if the Robertsons told A&E to shove it and left anyway.
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http://tv.yahoo.com/news/phil-rober...ial-remarks-quot-not-022000642-us-weekly.html
Phil Robertson Breaks His Silence After Controversial Remarks: "I Will Not Give or Back Off From My Path," Duck Dynasty Star Says
Phil Robertson is not backing down. Despite the Duck Dynasty patriarch's controversial interview with GQ and subsequent suspension from the A&E smash series, the reality TV star shared during a Bible study group in West Monroe, Louisiana on Sunday, Dec. 22, "I will not give or back off from my path."
“We are a bunch of rednecks from Louisiana, but I am not uneducated, I have a degree from Louisiana Tech. But this week I have been called an ignoramus,” the Duck Dynasty star, 67, shared with the group, as reported by The Daily Mail.
“This week I have been asked, 'Is this the first time you have brought up sin?’" he recalled during the religious meeting. "I said, 'Are you kidding? I have been traveling to and fro spreading this message.' Then he said, 'Well do you invite yourself to go and get your Bible and tell people what you are now sharing with us?' I said, 'No they are inviting me.'"
Robertson added, "I love all men and women. I am a lover of humanity, not a hater." He then lead the group in prayer and shared, "I will not give or back off from my path because you conquered death, Father, so we are not worried about all the repercussions." The bearded television figure made no direct mention of A&E, which placed Robertson on hiatus from filming "indefinitely," the network told Us Weekly.
As previously reported, the duck hunter sparked controversy last week after he made several homophobic and racially-charged remarks in an interview published in the Janurary 2014 issue of GQ.
After the network placed the father of four on suspension, his family released a statement on their website in support of him. "We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm," the Robertson family wrote. "We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty."
Phil Robertson Breaks His Silence After Controversial Remarks: "I Will Not Give or Back Off From My Path," Duck Dynasty Star Says
Phil Robertson is not backing down. Despite the Duck Dynasty patriarch's controversial interview with GQ and subsequent suspension from the A&E smash series, the reality TV star shared during a Bible study group in West Monroe, Louisiana on Sunday, Dec. 22, "I will not give or back off from my path."
“We are a bunch of rednecks from Louisiana, but I am not uneducated, I have a degree from Louisiana Tech. But this week I have been called an ignoramus,” the Duck Dynasty star, 67, shared with the group, as reported by The Daily Mail.
“This week I have been asked, 'Is this the first time you have brought up sin?’" he recalled during the religious meeting. "I said, 'Are you kidding? I have been traveling to and fro spreading this message.' Then he said, 'Well do you invite yourself to go and get your Bible and tell people what you are now sharing with us?' I said, 'No they are inviting me.'"
Robertson added, "I love all men and women. I am a lover of humanity, not a hater." He then lead the group in prayer and shared, "I will not give or back off from my path because you conquered death, Father, so we are not worried about all the repercussions." The bearded television figure made no direct mention of A&E, which placed Robertson on hiatus from filming "indefinitely," the network told Us Weekly.
As previously reported, the duck hunter sparked controversy last week after he made several homophobic and racially-charged remarks in an interview published in the Janurary 2014 issue of GQ.
After the network placed the father of four on suspension, his family released a statement on their website in support of him. "We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm," the Robertson family wrote. "We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty."
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What's interesting about all of this: a representative from A&E was at the GQ interview with Mr. Robertson and heard the questions & resulting answers. If the representative did not want certain questions to be answered, he could have spoken up at any time. Instead, the rep was silent.
I'm glad that a man of spiritual conviction is standing his ground ... and taking the high road ... throughout this ordeal.
I'm glad that a man of spiritual conviction is standing his ground ... and taking the high road ... throughout this ordeal.
Ch 20:13 And all Judah stood before the LORD, with their little ones, their wives, and their children.
2Ch 20:14 Then upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph, came the Spirit of the LORD in the midst of the congregation;
2Ch 20:15 And he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, and thou king Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's.
2Ch 20:16 To morrow go ye down against them: behold, they come up by the cliff of Ziz; and ye shall find them at the end of the brook, before the wilderness of Jeruel.
2Ch 20:17 Ye shall not need to fight in this battle: set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the LORD with you, O Judah and Jerusalem: fear not, nor be dismayed; to morrow go out against them: for the LORD will be with you.
2Ch 20:18 And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD.
2Ch 20:14 Then upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph, came the Spirit of the LORD in the midst of the congregation;
2Ch 20:15 And he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, and thou king Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's.
2Ch 20:16 To morrow go ye down against them: behold, they come up by the cliff of Ziz; and ye shall find them at the end of the brook, before the wilderness of Jeruel.
2Ch 20:17 Ye shall not need to fight in this battle: set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the LORD with you, O Judah and Jerusalem: fear not, nor be dismayed; to morrow go out against them: for the LORD will be with you.
2Ch 20:18 And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD.
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Why should I care about the opinions of a man from Louisianan who outright says he just doesn't get it ( Homosexuality), and is his stance that it is a sin? The man can say what he wants in an interview, and if he feels that way, its his business. As a gay male, I don't care. Nor do I really care about GLADD, who for the most part are just pulling a stunt.
I don't care about all the hullabaloo, nor do I care if Phil holds a certain opinion. He doesn't directly effect me. Phil should have known that it was a sensitive issue, A&E is probably pulling a publicity stunt with GQ, and I love the media's constant recycling of stupid manufactured outrage.
I guarantee in a month there will be an understanding, Phil will be back on the show, and there will be a praise Jesus reunion Special. Its just how cynical I am with Television.
As I mentioned, its the man's business. He says he has no interest in infringing on my rights, so I'll stay out of his. Stupid social justice crusaders and their need for a problem.
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I don't care about all the hullabaloo, nor do I care if Phil holds a certain opinion. He doesn't directly effect me. Phil should have known that it was a sensitive issue, A&E is probably pulling a publicity stunt with GQ, and I love the media's constant recycling of stupid manufactured outrage.
I guarantee in a month there will be an understanding, Phil will be back on the show, and there will be a praise Jesus reunion Special. Its just how cynical I am with Television.
As I mentioned, its the man's business. He says he has no interest in infringing on my rights, so I'll stay out of his. Stupid social justice crusaders and their need for a problem.
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I have firm convictions against homosexuality, but I fundamentally agree with your stance. Spread this attitude around.
Cracker Barrel reversed their decision to pull D.D. merchandise because it turns out more people are for Phil. Just goes to show you that big business always goes with the highest bidder. I'm glad for the decision, but I know it's merely a monetary judgment, not a moral one.
For all the things we think are wrong with the world, I'm seeing that the biggest corruption of mankind is his greed. The unfolding of end-times events are business driven, not morally driven.
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off topic the nature off 666 in one type of view is very much financial greed. ie Solomon's alliance with nations to create his wealth while corrupting isreal and putting her in bondage. but the view I have is the jewish view is that is sin with one mind and right hand.
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Uh oh, it is on now. Charlie Sheen just weighed in on the controversy.
Seriously though, why does anyone even listen to him anymore?
Seriously though, why does anyone even listen to him anymore?
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LOL, as soon as I read "...Charlie Sheen just weighed in..." I started laughing. Then I read the part where you said ..."why does anyone even listen to him anymore?" Exactly right, I don't think anyone does listen to him anymore except for a few of those that agree with him but are in a small minority in this country.
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