[_ Old Earth _] The Evolution of Human Beings

[Edward]

No one said they were humans, and humans are primates too. Nothing from the fossils indicate some kind of advanced age, especially as we start finding more complete fossils we discover much more about the age of the hominid at which they died.

This is a supposition though, and doesn't actually stand on any kind of studies or evidence. It is something you want to be true, yet you can't verify it, though your mind will try to fit it into your worldview, yet it doesn't quite fit unless key elements are ignored.

The fact that the closer hominids such as the Homo erectus even still have a much smaller brain than ours, yet they would have looked much more like us. Exposed dark skin as they lived in Africa. Tall to also help with the heat dispersion, and bipedal as they were no longer tree dwellers but nomadic hunters and gathers that made crude stone axes (this was the extent of their ingenuity).

See? Right there brother, they got you to deny scripture and think that they barely had stone tools, when scripture says that were workers of brass and iron in the beginning and archaeology has confirmed this.

 

[Edward]

Can you offer something else other than long Creationist propaganda on youtube? No one is going to watch this.

I watched it, thought it was pretty good.

Can you offer anything except evolutionist propaganda and pictures of fragments of bones with fables built around them?

 

[Doulos Iesou]

Failed Evolutionary Pre-Human Candidates: The Tuang Child

Oh goodie more youtube videos from the professional liar who forges evidence to support Creationism. Guys like this are the lowest.

Of course, nothing he said about the Tuang Child was accurate.

If you want to actually learn about what scientists have been able to discover from this fossil then you can read the below link.
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/22/8467.full.pdf29
or for something a little more simple:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taung_Child

Here is some helpful information about the Director of that strange museum/trailer.
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1988/PSCF9-88Hastings.html

 

[Doulos Iesou]

See? Right there brother, they got you to deny scripture and think that they barely had stone tools, when scripture says that were workers of brass and iron in the beginning and archaeology has confirmed this.

I make my own decisions, and no one made me deny anything.

Homo erectus did not work with brass or iron, please show me evidence of a Homo erectus archaeological site where they found that they had been working with brass or iron? It wasn't until about 3000 BC that people started to do either of those in some kind of form, though I have read elsewhere that in prehistory it was used in some degree in Southeast Asia.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

I watched it, thought it was pretty good.

Can you offer anything except evolutionist propaganda and pictures of fragments of bones with fables built around them?

How is the evidence I offer propaganda? lol

I don't just appeal to some kind of evidence, I show scientific studies that support the evidence I present, and I display the fossils for all to see.

It's ironic that you're saying I appeal to fables, when you're talking about 900 year old apes, and that the Homo erectus worked with bronze and iron.

 

[Edward]

How is the evidence I offer propaganda? lol

I don't just appeal to some kind of evidence, I show scientific studies that support the evidence I present, and I display the fossils for all to see.

It's ironic that you're saying I appeal to fables, when you're talking about 900 year old apes, and that the Homo erectus worked with bronze and iron.

It's propaganda in that it denounces scripture.

Scientific studies have theories. Tis is why it's called the theory of evolution. I 've read and watched quite a bit of this stuff, and while you don't seem to ever mention it, it's usually always there in the article somewhere...that, that the evidence we have is incomplete and suggests the theory, but provides nothing conclusive, like a disclaimer. (The vid that Gary posted shows some of this). Some scientists and people like you will go ahead and accept it as fact because it fits into the worldview that you choose and want to have.

Like Lucy. They have her all dressed up standing upright with hair and everything...but really, have only a few bones and no complete skeleton to go on. Her leg bone was found a mile and a half away from where the other bones were found. "Oh, that's lucy's allright, and proves she walked upright" LOL!! A fable brother.. Nothing less.

I never said home erectus monkey used bronze or iron, I said early man did! And I also said that I don't know if early apes lived 900 years, but I do know early man did. Scripture doesn't really say if early apes lived that long.

Boy oh boy, for a Christian, you sure do denounce a lot of scripture.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

See, that's the thing about trying to explain a deception to be the truth. It takes a long diatribe of let's pour over the details and look at a bunch of bones and 500 pages or so i can show you where this is the truth and that scripture is wrong...

Another Irony, seeing as your quote is mined from an anti-evolutionist book written by an economist, talk about a long diatribe written by a no-nothing.

The creation account is what? 2 chapters in Genesis. That's the truth, plain and simple, and there is no 500 pages of diatribe that's going to convince me otherwise. I don't want to look at giraffes, I don't want to discuss bats, I'll stick to scripture.

You'll stick to your literal interpretation of it. So much faith in your own understanding...

I'll stick with the totality of the evidence, rather than willfully ignore the truth of the natural world.

Evolution is gasping it's last breaths and is on it's way out.

You'll be sure to let me know when it dies... right? This is an interesting fiction.

Only someone totally disconnected from the academic world could make this proclamation.

Even atheists scientists have books out that say, I'm not Christian, and there's no way evolution is true or would work.

Even atheists, Christians, Muslims, etc. all have books out saying that evolution IS true. See how valid that argument is? You keep making it though.

The fact of the matter is that there are no peer reviewed scientific papers written in existence (NONE) that criticize evolution. That is the most relevant point, as uneducated men can write books for the uneducated masses, but they won't dare put their work under the scrutiny of actual scientists. It's really quite sad.

You guys can choose to believe it if you want to, but I feel sorry for you if you believe that tripe.

You're going to believe what you want, and we're going to believe what we want, and in our case it's based on the totality of the evidence.

They put one over on you.

Perhaps one day you'll actually give the evidence a fair look, then you'll remember statements like this. I've seen it many times before.

Real Christians have no problem comprehending that it's a lie plain and simple.

So we must not be "real Christians" then huh?

Or perhaps you should check out the updates rules for this forum.

2- Respect each other's opinions. Address issues, not persons, personalities or groups.

Groups are to include evolutionists, creationists, old earthers etc. and will be under the same rules governing behavior between members. Insults, belittlement, degradation or other derogatory language conveyed in any fashion toward these groups is disallowed.

Insinuate that we are not Christians again and I will report you.

In today's world, it does not stand up to scrutiny.

That's why they publish their work to be peer-reviewed by other scientists. Oh wait!

Maybe it did in 1850, but not now brothers and sisters.

On the Origin of Species wasn't even published until 1859 so I don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps it would do you some good to do a little more research.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

It's propaganda in that it denounces scripture.

It disagrees with your interpretation of Scripture, but yet millions of other Christians have no problem accepting it.

Scientific studies have theories. Tis is why it's called the theory of evolution.

Do you know what the word Theory means when used by a scientist?

I 've read and watched quite a bit of this stuff, and while you don't seem to ever mention it, it's usually always there in the article somewhere...that, that the evidence we have is incomplete and suggests the theory, but provides nothing conclusive, like a disclaimer. (The vid that Gary posted shows some of this). Some scientists and people like you will go ahead and accept it as fact because it fits into the worldview that you choose and want to have.

Nothing in those latest videos is actually true or verifiable, so please don't judge me when I reject them out of hand.

Like Lucy. They have her all dressed up standing upright with hair and everything...but really, have only a few bones and no complete skeleton to go on. Her leg bone was found a mile and a half away from where the other bones were found. "Oh, that's lucy's allright, and proves she walked upright" LOL!! A fable brother.. Nothing less.

It still continues to amaze me how confidently you can make assertions about things you know nothing about. Are you a Paleontologist who is able to determine that we cannot glean additional information from incomplete bones? Lucy isn't the only fossil we have, and I didn't even mention her in this thread since that always turns into a Red Herring for Creationists who pretend to know something about Paleontology.

I never said home erectus monkey used bronze or iron, I said early man did!

We were talking about Homo erectus using tools such as stone axes, and you said that I was denouncing Scripture as it said they were workers of bronze and iron. Do you consider Homo erectus to be early man? If so, please provide evidence.

Boy oh boy, for a Christian, you sure do denounce a lot of scripture.

Boy oh Boy, we sure disagree a lot on the interpretation of Scripture. You can get off your high horse now, as it doesn't make you special to demean other brothers in the faith in order to assert your own spiritual superiority.

We disagree. Get over it. And welcome to the planet Earth, where not everyone sees everything the same as you.

 

[Gary]

Failed Evolutionary Pre-Human Candidates: ´Your Little Cousin´ Lucy

 

[Edward]

Another Irony, seeing as your quote is mined from an anti-evolutionist book written by an economist, talk about a long diatribe written by a no-nothing.


You'll stick to your literal interpretation of it. So much faith in your own understanding...

I'll stick with the totality of the evidence, rather than willfully ignore the truth of the natural world.


You'll be sure to let me know when it dies... right? This is an interesting fiction.

Only someone totally disconnected from the academic world could make this proclamation.


Even atheists, Christians, Muslims, etc. all have books out saying that evolution IS true. See how valid that argument is? You keep making it though.

The fact of the matter is that there are no peer reviewed scientific papers written in existence (NONE) that criticize evolution. That is the most relevant point, as uneducated men can write books for the uneducated masses, but they won't dare put their work under the scrutiny of actual scientists. It's really quite sad.


You're going to believe what you want, and we're going to believe what we want, and in our case it's based on the totality of the evidence.


Perhaps one day you'll actually give the evidence a fair look, then you'll remember statements like this. I've seen it many times before.


So we must not be "real Christians" then huh?

Or perhaps you should check out the updates rules for this forum.

2- Respect each other's opinions. Address issues, not persons, personalities or groups.

Groups are to include evolutionists, creationists, old earthers etc. and will be under the same rules governing behavior between members. Insults, belittlement, degradation or other derogatory language conveyed in any fashion toward these groups is disallowed.

Insinuate that we are not Christians again and I will report you.


That's why they publish their work to be peer-reviewed by other scientists. Oh wait!


On the Origin of Species wasn't even published until 1859 so I don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps it would do you some good to do a little more research.

Another Irony, seeing as your quote is mined from an anti-evolutionist book written by an economist, talk about a long diatribe written by a no-nothing.

Wanna hear another one that I read probably also written by a so called know nothing? ;)
Eventually in the talk with evolutionists, they'll realize how they really do not have any good evidence, so then they'll turn tactics to attacking the man...Huh. I guess he was right.!

You'll stick to your literal interpretation of it. So much faith in your own understanding...

Thank you for the kind words brother, you compliment me. I have it in my head that we are not to lean upon our own understanding...and I try not to, but as you know, that can be hard to do. Moving forward without total understanding, just faith...is almost like taking a long road trip without a map, it can be...fun, shall we say?!, to go in faith anyway and just trust God. God has really revealed Himself to me. I KNOW He's real. Evolution still hasn't revealed itself to me, lol and that's to be expected because it's not true.) Little trips into fleshy understanding are interesting, looking at different views and so forth. I cam able to set aside pre suppositions to play the "What-If" game, and look at the issue and see if it really is able to fit in with scripture in such a way that it could be true, if it doesn't then it's not of God and wrong. I know that God is real, and since evolution contradicts scripture, it's demonstrably false. I did give it a fair look.

Have a blessed day, brother.

 

[Edward]

You know, you've stirred a memory for me! When I was a teenager and not even walking with God, me and my brothers would call each other prehistoric caveman names as a slur... and I've always been a book reader, I've read lot's of that stuff too, even then I didn't believe it. If we had friends with us, we'd give 'em the ol', there's your mom & dad...and point to a mud puddle..(LOL). This must've been when they were teaching us this in school so it was on our minds.



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[Doulos Iesou]

Wanna hear another one that I read probably also written by a so called know nothing? ;)
Eventually in the talk with evolutionists, they'll realize how they really do not have any good evidence, so then they'll turn tactics to attacking the man...Huh. I guess he was right.!

He didn't offer any evidence, all he did was make assertions. I provided evidence that contradicts his claims, and also evidence that he has falsified his claims in the past. You're welcome to read those, but the point is that people like this man are not to be trusted.

These discussions actually increase my belief in evolution because I get exposed to more and more evidence of it being true. So I don't really know what you're talking about.

Thank you for the kind words brother, you compliment me.

Your sarcasm is noted.

I have it in my head that we are not to lean upon our own understanding...and I try not to, but as you know, that can be hard to do.

Do you think not leaning on our own understanding applies to every situation? Perhaps understanding how the Proverbs are supposed to be applied and understood will help.

Moving forward without total understanding, just faith...is almost like taking a long road trip without a map, it can be...fun, shall we say?!

Why don't you just have faith in Allah or Joesph Smith being a Prophet?

to go in faith anyway and just trust God. God has really revealed Himself to me. I KNOW He's real.

Do you have an infallible perspective of Scripture and of God?

Evolution still hasn't revealed itself to me, lol and that's to be expected because it's not true.

Evolution isn't a personal being who can tell you if it's true or not. lol

Evolution is a naturally occurring phenomenon regarding the adaptation of life to it's environment through Natural Selection.

Little trips into fleshy understanding are interesting, looking at different views and so forth.

You mean using your brain that God gave you?

I cam able to set aside pre suppositions to play the "What-If" game, and look at the issue and see if it really is able to fit in with scripture in such a way that it could be true, if it doesn't then it's not of God and wrong. I know that God is real, and since evolution contradicts scripture, it's demonstrably false. I did give it a fair look.

I highly doubt that, given our exchange on this forum.

 

[Rick W]

Alright, I've seen enough.