The fall of Lucifer/Satan

[for_his_glory]

Thanks for that info. I wasn't particularly waiting for a reply, just making a point I thought needed making. One of the things I find most troubling about Christianity, the religion of love, is how much it tends to divide us.

Ah well, let what must be, be. Doubtless God has His reasons.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Not sure what you mean by love dividing us?

God doesn't even recognize organized religions that Satan has such a foothold on as God is about all of us having a personal relationship with His only begotten Son Christ Jesus.

 

[2ndRateMind]

Not sure what you mean by love dividing us?

God doesn't even recognize organized religions that Satan has such a foothold on as God is about all of us having a personal relationship with His only begotten Son Christ Jesus.

Oh sure. Some of us are Orthodox, some Catholic. Some Catholic, others Protestant. And even among the protestants, there are multiple schisms and sects. It wearies me, somewhat. But I guess that is how one measures the price of freedom.

Best wishes, 2RM

 

[for_his_glory]

For me personally there has never been enough sharp scriptural focus to conclude Satan was the falling Lucifer in Isaiah (KJV translators’ oddly borrowing the word from the Latin Vulgate; I can relate to Dr. Peter Gentry’s video on YouTube: Is the Fall of Satan really described in the Bible?).

We probably would all agree that there are issues much more important than our enemy’s origins and alleged fall. When it comes to Satan and the powers of wickedness believers firstly need to be well grounded in Scripture. Our enemy is a very real part of our normal experience in Christ.

Those who are firmly rooted and built up in Him and established in their faith need never be terrified of their spiritual enemy. However, it's not wise to underestimate the potential damage that can be caused by the evil forces of darkness.

Our enemy was liar from the get-go, so he can take the form of an angel of light. Sometimes he pretends or appears to be on the side of righteousness, claiming spiritual authenticity in the world and within the true Church. We need to recognise the devil's character and be wary of his activities in the world around us.

Christ “gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age” (Galatians 1:4, NKJV). We need this deliverance because “the whole world lies in the power of the evil one” (1st John 5:19, NASB), and the devil is working in those who are disobedient (Ephesians 2:2).

Those who openly oppose Truth need to “come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will” (2nd Timothy 2:26, NASB). The god of this world works on the minds of those who do not believe to stop them seeing the truth (2nd Corinthians 4:4).

When we are wholly submitted to God, through faith in Christ's authority we can resist the devil and he will flee from us. He will be confronted by our spiritual awareness and will recognise the Person of Christ in us. But we should also realise that our enemy can stand in our way, hoping to gain an advantage. Even if we are aware of his schemes, there will be times when he will hinder us: "...we wanted to come to you... and yet Satan hindered us" (1st Thessalonians 2:18).

He can cut through our intentions and thwart our plans, so we need to be set apart (pure and sanctified), fully prepared for conflict. The spiritual forces of wickedness will do their best to disrupt good works, corrupt godliness, block spiritual progress and distort true teaching. We are constantly set against an enemy who wants to frustrate the Holy Spirit's work in and through us. The more we accomplish in Christ the greater the opposition will be. Are we prepared? (Ephesians 6:10-18.)

Demonic activity can poison our attitudes and behaviour, which in turn causes "soulish" friction among true believers (consider James 3:15, 16). Paul's experience indicates our spiritual enemies — working as messengers of Satan — can also cause humbling health problems (see 2nd Corinthians 12:7).

"Put on the full armor of God so that you can stand against the tactics of the Devil" (Ephesians 6:11, HCSB).

Welcome to CF SamNI

We definitely need to be aware of Satan's devices so we are not caught up in believing his lies and also his lying signs and wonders.

Curious within your own understanding, separate from commentaries how do you explain the below scriptures?

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

In the Roman language Lucifer was the name given to the morning star Venus. The morning star appears in the sky just before dawn. In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can be translated as Day star, son of the Dawn. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor Day star, son of the Dawn, as Lucifer, and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place from the Latin in that of interpreting Lucifer into a fallen angel now named Satan. In the original Hebrew day star, son of the dawn is used, but not for that of Satan, but for the king of Babylon. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light (Jesus) to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded.

The name Satan comes from a Hebrew word sah-TAHN which means adversary as in signifying an enemy, and an accuser, father of lies.

Satan was created perfect in all his ways with beauty, wisdom and freewill. God placed him as one of the two guardian cherubs covering the atonement cover of the ark in the tabernacle of God in heaven. He was entrusted with many possessions and found much favor in the Lord, Ezekiel 28:14, 15. The physical Tabernacle or Sanctuary in Jerusalem was patterned after the heavenly Tabernacle of God in heaven, Hebrews 9:1-5, 23,24; Exodus 25:17-22; 1 Kings 6:19-28. These scriptures describe the cherubim in the earthly Temple patterned after the heavenly. Ezekiel 28:12-15 identifies an angelic being who is called the anointed cherub who covers and he was on the holy mountain of God. We can only assume that Lucifer/Satan was one of the cherubs by the description in those scripture.

Lucifer (could be a dual referent to Isaiah 14:12, but no mention in scripture as to, or even if God gave him a name), Satan, Devil, Beelzebub, Belial, Adversary, Dragon, Serpent and I’m sure a few others, but the important thing is who this being is and what purpose did he have and still has in heaven and earth.

 

[for_his_glory]

Oh sure. Some of us are Orthodox, some Catholic. Some Catholic, others Protestant. And even among the protestants, there are multiple schisms and sects. It wearies me, somewhat. But I guess that is how one measures the price of freedom.

Best wishes, 2RM

Thank you as yes, even those who call themselves a certain religion or even a Christian will carry hate for others and it is only God who can judge the heart.

 

[Titus]

Oh sure. Some of us are Orthodox, some Catholic. Some Catholic, others Protestant. And even among the protestants, there are multiple schisms and sects. It wearies me, somewhat. But I guess that is how one measures the price of freedom.

Best wishes, 2RM

Its real simple really . Just learn that bible well , follow Christ
and love every word He ever taught .

 

[Titus]

Thank you as yes, even those who call themselves a certain religion or even a Christian will carry hate for others and it is only God who can judge the heart.

Speaking of hate i want to give us a biblical reminder .
You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart
you shall in any way correct , rebuke him and not allow sin upon them .
If our children or anyone elses, were to be skating on thin ice
would we not warn them Not to do such a thing .
So let us always love the brethren and warn against sin and error .
Never leave a soul in danger .
Now , LET the LORD be praised . Hands up and just praise the glorious Lord .

 

[for_his_glory]

Speaking of hate i want to give us a biblical reminder .
You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart
you shall in any way correct , rebuke him and not allow sin upon them .
If our children or anyone elses, were to be skating on thin ice
would we not warn them Not to do such a thing .
So let us always love the brethren and warn against sin and error .
Never leave a soul in danger .
Now , LET the LORD be praised . Hands up and just praise the glorious Lord .

Hi Titus and welcome to CF

 

[2ndRateMind]

Its real simple really . Just learn that bible well , follow Christ
and love every word He ever taught .

So how does that contribute to the healing of the divisions in the religion of love? We all seem to leave the Bible with individual differences in our interpretations.

Best wishes, 2RM

 

[SamNI]

Welcome to CF SamNI

We definitely need to be aware of Satan's devices so we are not caught up in believing his lies and also his lying signs and wonders.

Curious within your own understanding, separate from commentaries how do you explain the below scriptures?..

Thanks so much for the welcome. I appreciate it.

I've read your post. I’ve been referring to my private notes (I’m not a fan of commentaries) while thinking again about this subject along with some related topics. Most of what I’m sharing below isn’t directly related to “The fall of Lucifer/Satan”, but it is relevant I believe.

In my own understanding I’ve become wary of reaching definite conclusions about passages of Scripture that are notoriously difficult to understand. When Scripture passages aren't totally clear, it’s wise not to make dogmatic statements about their meaning (I'm not accusing you of doing that here). Balance is crucial in Scripture. Error and many half-truths are based on verses taken out of context, or improperly hooked up to other verses to build a case or make a point.

Regarding beliefs about The Fall of Satan, etc, I’d be inclined to agree in principle with Dr Gentry’s balanced views I mentioned above. It’s worth listening to. (The word Lucifer [in reference to the self-exalting king of Babylon] as a proper name has been popularised by the KJV scholars’ untenable translation at Isaiah 14:12; we shouldn’t call Satan Lucifer). The whole structure of teaching that’s been built around The Fall of Satan will always be controversial because associated scriptures are puzzling in places and therefore open to interpretation.

Many prophetic-based speculative theories lack a clear relevance to the overall purpose of Scripture in the lives of God’s people. We all know that all Scripture should be used to lead us into spiritual completeness and correctness, equipping us for godly works in Christ. This is very difficult to do with the theories about Satan and his fall, and other abstract ideas. I’ve dealt above with contexts that deal with the enemy’s work in our lives and in the world. There is no need for dubious speculation with these well-defined contexts.

We have to be careful in brotherly discussions/debates like this we don't present some personal convictions or theories as unambiguous revelation from Scripture. That may not be our intention, but it can come across that way. Many subjects in Scripture are more than clear enough. In fact most of Scripture can be comfortably used to strengthen our faith allowing us to understand God’s will for us each day. Most of Scripture can be used to build up one another.

But there is a danger of unintentionally peddling our own personal preferences and bias. So we need to be disciplined. (I’m not saying you are peddling opinions here, but some definitely do in many online discussions I’ve read over the years.)

In a wider context, especially online, discussions about Satan and the spiritual realm do indeed get sidetracked by distracting pet theories. There may be a few interesting points to be considered. What matters most, however, is how effectively we wrestle against a wicked spiritual enemy whose influence causes untold harm throughout the true Church, especially through the world around us and bitter schisms among us.

Some passages of Scripture are written in language that gives rise to all kinds of guesswork that can conflict with one another. This is especially true among those who spend a disproportionate amount of time thinking about Satan and eschatology. This has been more of a problem since the days of Hal Lindsay, in my opinion. But that’s another topic.

Many can get carried away and fall into the trap of making specific predictions based on current events and what they think they can see in Scripture. Others have a tendency to be drawn repeatedly to a particular subject rather than allowing it to find its place in the balanced fullness of Scripture teaching—if it even belongs there.

To generalise again, it’s an unfortunate trait in human nature that we become fixated with joining up dots to create a picture of something that may not be true or a distortion of truth. Some people grow to have personality characteristics that are stubbornly attracted to controversies, conspiracy theories, the supernatural and any amount of outlandish ideas (Big Brother and Bill Gates’ COVID vaccine chips! Etc.). Interpreting known facts to fit personal bias is a common inclination we should all try to avoid.

But coming back to the theory of the Fall of Satan... well, I personally remain unconvinced. Maybe it’s true, but for me the idea isn’t overwhelmingly supported by clear scriptural evidence. Theories about what Satan was in the beginning (apart from being a deceitful murderer from the get-go) and why he became the force of lying evil in the world do not interest me personally. But we can all agree that he will be thrown down in the end (Revelation 12:9).

 

[Titus]

So how does that contribute to the healing of the divisions in the religion of love? We all seem to leave the Bible with individual differences in our interpretations.

Best wishes, 2RM

Its all about where our heart truly is . Did we come to a god that would
save us and give us our fleshly desires , or were we truly drawn to Christ
by GOD . My advice stands . Get in the bible .
Read the gospels and the things the apostels said , read even the old test
and revelation . You gonna find out real quick what version of a god
or was it GOD you were following . start fresh again
and get dug in that bible .

 

[Titus]

Thanks so much for the welcome. I appreciate it.

I've read your post. I’ve been referring to my private notes (I’m not a fan of commentaries) while thinking again about this subject along with some related topics. Most of what I’m sharing below isn’t directly related to “The fall of Lucifer/Satan”, but it is relevant I believe.

In my own understanding I’ve become wary of reaching definite conclusions about passages of Scripture that are notoriously difficult to understand. When Scripture passages aren't totally clear, it’s wise not to make dogmatic statements about their meaning (I'm not accusing you of doing that here). Balance is crucial in Scripture. Error and many half-truths are based on verses taken out of context, or improperly hooked up to other verses to build a case or make a point.

Regarding beliefs about The Fall of Satan, etc, I’d be inclined to agree in principle with Dr Gentry’s balanced views I mentioned above. It’s worth listening to. (The word Lucifer [in reference to the self-exalting king of Babylon] as a proper name has been popularised by the KJV scholars’ untenable translation at Isaiah 14:12; we shouldn’t call Satan Lucifer). The whole structure of teaching that’s been built around The Fall of Satan will always be controversial because associated scriptures are puzzling in places and therefore open to interpretation.

Many prophetic-based speculative theories lack a clear relevance to the overall purpose of Scripture in the lives of God’s people. We all know that all Scripture should be used to lead us into spiritual completeness and correctness, equipping us for godly works in Christ. This is very difficult to do with the theories about Satan and his fall, and other abstract ideas. I’ve dealt above with contexts that deal with the enemy’s work in our lives and in the world. There is no need for dubious speculation with these well-defined contexts.

We have to be careful in brotherly discussions/debates like this we don't present some personal convictions or theories as unambiguous revelation from Scripture. That may not be our intention, but it can come across that way. Many subjects in Scripture are more than clear enough. In fact most of Scripture can be comfortably used to strengthen our faith allowing us to understand God’s will for us each day. Most of Scripture can be used to build up one another.

But there is a danger of unintentionally peddling our own personal preferences and bias. So we need to be disciplined. (I’m not saying you are peddling opinions here, but some definitely do in many online discussions I’ve read over the years.)

In a wider context, especially online, discussions about Satan and the spiritual realm do indeed get sidetracked by distracting pet theories. There may be a few interesting points to be considered. What matters most, however, is how effectively we wrestle against a wicked spiritual enemy whose influence causes untold harm throughout the true Church, especially through the world around us and bitter schisms among us.

Some passages of Scripture are written in language that gives rise to all kinds of guesswork that can conflict with one another. This is especially true among those who spend a disproportionate amount of time thinking about Satan and eschatology. This has been more of a problem since the days of Hal Lindsay, in my opinion. But that’s another topic.

Many can get carried away and fall into the trap of making specific predictions based on current events and what they think they can see in Scripture. Others have a tendency to be drawn repeatedly to a particular subject rather than allowing it to find its place in the balanced fullness of Scripture teaching—if it even belongs there.

To generalise again, it’s an unfortunate trait in human nature that we become fixated with joining up dots to create a picture of something that may not be true or a distortion of truth. Some people grow to have personality characteristics that are stubbornly attracted to controversies, conspiracy theories, the supernatural and any amount of outlandish ideas (Big Brother and Bill Gates’ COVID vaccine chips! Etc.). Interpreting known facts to fit personal bias is a common inclination we should all try to avoid.

But coming back to the theory of the Fall of Satan... well, I personally remain unconvinced. Maybe it’s true, but for me the idea isn’t overwhelmingly supported by clear scriptural evidence. Theories about what Satan was in the beginning (apart from being a deceitful murderer from the get-go) and why he became the force of lying evil in the world do not interest me personally. But we can all agree that he will be thrown down in the end (Revelation 12:9).

read it closer and with a child like desire to serve God .
And you will soon see
that the very thing that got lucifer , aka satan booted out of heaven
is the same that occured and occurs with men .
Its the love of self my friend .
Lucifer , that spirit , was in that king . Satan actually influenced judas
as he does many .
Lucifer , aka satan , aka the serpent , was in the garden .
That is the Spirit that invaded and held captive that king
as it does many people today .
Its not like king in that day and age had ever walked in that garden
but the SPIRIT that led HIM sure had .

 

[Golgotha]

Many scholars believe that the king/ Prince of Tyrus in vs. 11-19 may be Satan, the real power behind the nations, Isaiah 14:12.

Since the beginning of Gods creation of the heavens and earth in Genesis chapter one there has been an adversary that separates us from God through deceit, temptations and lies. This adversary has many names which include: Lucifer (could be a dual referent to Isaiah 14:12, but no mention in scripture as to, or even if God gave him a name),​

The story behind "Lucifer" for why it was never found in the Greek manuscript, but the Latin Vulgate, is that it was just another name for Venus, inserted in there for that purpose. That is why Lucifer is not another name for Satan in scripture directly.

You had explained this here from your OP;

"In the Roman language Lucifer was the name given to the morning star Venus. The morning star appears in the sky just before dawn. In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can be translated as Day star, son of the Dawn." ~~~ Your Quote

So Jews, Christians, Freemasons, and Satanists got it all wrong. Even I had to learn about this later on in my Christian walk with the Lord from another believer online.

The Isaiah 14:12 in context was about a powerful but boastful king who was to die, his corpse unburied, and so that cannot be applied towards Satan at all.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[for_his_glory]

The story behind "Lucifer" for why it was never found in the Greek manuscript, but the Latin Vulgate, is that it was just another name for Venus, inserted in there for that purpose. That is why Lucifer is not another name for Satan in scripture directly.

You had explained this here from your OP;

"In the Roman language Lucifer was the name given to the morning star Venus. The morning star appears in the sky just before dawn. In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can be translated as Day star, son of the Dawn." ~~~ Your Quote

So Jews, Christians, Freemasons, and Satanists got it all wrong. Even I had to learn about this later on in my Christian walk with the Lord from another believer online.

The Isaiah 14:12 in context was about a powerful but boastful king who was to die, his corpse unburied, and so that cannot be applied towards Satan at all.

Thanks for sharing.

Knowing what Lucifer means in the Greek I still see a dual reference in Isaiah 14:12-14. For the sake of names let's just say this angel that God created perfect in all his ways is a fallen cherub that God placed in the garden of Eden from there is when iniquity was found in him who from that time forward weakened the nations working through kings/Presidents/Government like that of the King of Tyrus, Ezekiel 28:12-15.

 

[Golgotha]

Knowing what Lucifer means in the Greek I still see a dual reference in Isaiah 14:12-14. For the sake of names let's just say this angel that God created perfect in all his ways is a fallen cherub that God placed in the garden of Eden from there is when iniquity was found in him who from that time forward weakened the nations working through kings/Presidents/Government like that of the King of Tyrus, Ezekiel 28:12-15.

Well, we prophesy in part and know in part, so we will know for sure when we see Jesus Christ face to face, but I would think it is telling when one considers its origin from Jerome in regards to the Latin Vulgate.

THE NAME LUCIFER HAS NEVER BELONGED TO SATAN!

Thank you for your reply.

 

[SamNI]

Knowing what Lucifer means in the Greek I still see a dual reference in Isaiah 14:12-14. For the sake of names let's just say this angel that God created perfect in all his ways is a fallen cherub that God placed in the garden of Eden from there is when iniquity was found in him who from that time forward weakened the nations working through kings/Presidents/Government like that of the King of Tyrus, Ezekiel 28:12-15.

The Fall of Satan, as explained above, is a concept based on Bible passages that are difficult to understand. Because they are open to interpretation people have to speculate.

• The Fall of Satan is read into Scripture, but not explicitly taught by it.
• Handling unclear Bible passages inappropriately leads to guess work – speculation and filling in the blanks (consider 2nd Timothy 2:15).
• Speculation allows us to define what we want to see. (This is a particularly big problem with discussions about The End Times.)
• When man-made bias is read into Scripture we add teaching to it.
• Scripture does not in any context call the devil Lucifer.

 

[Golgotha]

The Fall of Satan, as explained above, is a concept based on Bible passages that are difficult to understand. Because they are open to interpretation people have to speculate.

• The Fall of Satan is read into Scripture, but not explicitly taught by it.
• Handling unclear Bible passages inappropriately leads to guess work – speculation and filling in the blanks (consider 2nd Timothy 2:15).
• Speculation allows us to define what we want to see. (This is a particularly big problem with discussions about The End Times.)
• When man-made bias is read into Scripture we add teaching to it.
• Scripture does not in any context call the devil Lucifer.

Yet wisdom comes from the Lord to understanding as well as applying scripture also. One can find the truth about certain topics and issues in His words that may not be so readily shared with others like the meaning of the parables, but His wisdom can come.

 

[for_his_glory]

The Fall of Satan, as explained above, is a concept based on Bible passages that are difficult to understand. Because they are open to interpretation people have to speculate.

• The Fall of Satan is read into Scripture, but not explicitly taught by it.
• Handling unclear Bible passages inappropriately leads to guess work – speculation and filling in the blanks (consider 2nd Timothy 2:15).
• Speculation allows us to define what we want to see. (This is a particularly big problem with discussions about The End Times.)
• When man-made bias is read into Scripture we add teaching to it.
• Scripture does not in any context call the devil Lucifer.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Is this speaking about Satan or the king of Tyre?

 

[Norman]

100 different interpretations of Revelation and everyone swears they got it right!

 

[Titus]

Knowing what Lucifer means in the Greek I still see a dual reference in Isaiah 14:12-14. For the sake of names let's just say this angel that God created perfect in all his ways is a fallen cherub that God placed in the garden of Eden from there is when iniquity was found in him who from that time forward weakened the nations working through kings/Presidents/Government like that of the King of Tyrus, Ezekiel 28:12-15.

He has always worked through the nations , through men who knew not God
and who follow not Christ .
Yes indeed my friend . The serpent , the dragon called satan
was even at the very tree in the garden .
And Your right HE has always and shall to the day JESUS casts HIM bound to the pit
decieve the nations .
He is of the seven , and the eight king He is indeed
and soon ten kings shall rule one hour with the beast .
But he will go into perditon . The patience of the saints , IS that JESUS is our hope
and our end is good in Christ no matter what this ol world
and the men and women of the dragon do against us .
All men and women have at one time been under his influence
the influence of the very dark spirit that even now works in the children of disobediance . And it will merge them to be as one and a time of great persecution
will arise and will do so world wide against the lambs who conformed not
to this world , this image of a love god who though they claim is love
it sure sounds indentical to satan . For what kind of love
would ever give the planet a hope that it can be saved by any other god
by a love that while it promotes good works and common unity
has abandoned JESUS as the only means to be saved .
I want you to go back and read the message the serpent spoke unto eve
and i will leave us with these next words . AND YOU watch how identical
this spirit of false love sounds to the very serpent .
HAS GOD said that ye must believe and confess in JESUS to be saved .
And the peoples say , Yes we must believe in JESUS and confess Him to be saved . Lest we perish in the lake of fire .
NAY nay , says the love serpent one shall not ever perish in a lake of fire , GOD IS LOVE , HE has made
a path that includes all religions and all ye have to do is have good works
and love and ye are saved . SEE HOW IT WORKS .
It has promoted a false love which says muslims , buddists , atheiest
and any other false mindset , needs not to repent of their evil
needs not to come to Christ to be saved , but all it has to do is love .
NOW WHAT KIND OF LOVE is that . SATANS LOVE which sets not the captives free .
Folks keep expecting the devil to show up with horns and sound mean
BUT HE has always approached in a false light and sounded
like he was trying to do good for humanity. THAT is how HE WORKS .

 

[Titus]

100 different interpretations of Revelation and everyone swears they got it right!

probably more than that . AND YET i say READ IT OFTEN
For blessed is he who reads and they who hear the prophecy of that book
and keep those things that are written in that book .