[_ Old Earth _] The fallacy of evolution

[cubedbee]

And I'll belive eye-wtinesses any day to people who lived thousands of years later.

Basically my point still stands. Genesis is not an eye witness account, it was something not written down for hundreds if not thousands of years.
The statement made is that Heidi would only accept first hand accounts, and yet is more than happy to ignore the fact that the stories she is quoting are not in fact written by the people involved.
Moses wasn't at the beginning of the world and he wasn't involved in Noah's story, the eye witness claim doesn't work.

Yes, using a Biblical chronology, Moses lived about 2,500 years after Adam and about 1,000 years after Noah. Moses, far from being an eye-witness, is a person who lived thousands of years later. I love ironically funny quotes like that.

 

[Solo]

You have a problem believing truth because of a lack of understanding. Each of the "inconsistancies" that you refer to are only inconsistancies to those who are unbelievers and cannot understand the truths revealed in the Word of God.

Only the "right" people can understand how the contradictions aren't really contradictions. Nevertheless, believing that Moses recorded his own death, is a bit of a stretch.

Most Biblical scholars believe that Joshua penned Moses' death. Not a biggy. That is so much easier explained in Biblical record than the myth of evolution.

Don't loose hope though, there is still time as long as you have one breath left. You really ought to concentrate on the Word of God, and throw away your habit of gaining the knowledge from skeptics.

God does not require that one shut down one's mind. He only wants you to accept Him and live your life in Him.

That will get you saved. Everything else is vanity.

God does expect for you to keep your mind directed upon his understanding and not your own, becuase he knows that your understanding will fail when it comes to the truth. Don't shut down your mind by accepting a worldly understanding of creation.

Skeptics are deceived by their god.

Some others do it all by themselves.

Those that do it all by themselves are their own gods. They determine a false truth apart from God's truth.

I'll keep praying for you.

Good idea. Can't hurt. Might ask Him for a little understanding, too.

I do and it will correct any illusions that you may have in spite of your lacking of understanding of various items. Lean on God's understanding as mentioned in Proverbs 3. I have asked for wisdom and understanding from God and he has delivered many times over what I considered possible. He has blessed me with a keen understanding, much wisdom, and great discernment. Thanks.

 

[Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
Only the "right" people can understand how the contradictions aren't really contradictions. Nevertheless, believing that Moses recorded his own death, is a bit of a stretch.

Most Biblical scholars believe that Joshua penned Moses' death. Not a biggy.

So Moses didn't write it all, after all? What makes you think that there isn't a lot more that he didnt' write?

That is so much easier explained in Biblical record than the myth of evolution.

The difference is evidence. Science has it, and creationism doesn't.

Don't loose hope though, there is still time as long as you have one breath left. You really ought to concentrate on the Word of God, and throw away your habit of gaining the knowledge from skeptics.

Barbarian observes:
God does not require that one shut down one's mind. He only wants you to accept Him and live your life in Him.

That will get you saved. Everything else is vanity.

God does expect for you to keep your mind directed upon his understanding and not your own, becuase he knows that your understanding will fail when it comes to the truth.[/.quote]

That's one of the reasons I suggested to you that it wasn't wise for you to be adding to scripture.

[quote:d9ba3]Skeptics are deceived by their god.

Barbarian observes:
Some others do it all by themselves.

Those that do it all by themselves are their own gods. They determine a false truth apart from God's truth.

Mostly Biblical revisionists, who add new doctrines like creationism to scripture.

I'll keep praying for you.

Barbarian observes:
Good idea. Can't hurt. Might ask Him for a little understanding, too.

I have asked for wisdom and understanding from God and he has delivered many times over what I considered possible. He has blessed me with a keen understanding, much wisdom, and great discernment.

[/quote:d9ba3]

And great modesty. You must sit in the front of the church and thank Him that you are not like other men.

 

[Heidi]

Barbarian observes:
Only the "right" people can understand how the contradictions aren't really contradictions. Nevertheless, believing that Moses recorded his own death, is a bit of a stretch.

Most Biblical scholars believe that Joshua penned Moses' death. Not a biggy.

So Moses didn't write it all, after all? What makes you think that there isn't a lot more that he didnt' write?

[quote:5be03]That is so much easier explained in Biblical record than the myth of evolution.

The difference is evidence. Science has it, and creationism doesn't.

Don't loose hope though, there is still time as long as you have one breath left. You really ought to concentrate on the Word of God, and throw away your habit of gaining the knowledge from skeptics.

Barbarian observes:
God does not require that one shut down one's mind. He only wants you to accept Him and live your life in Him.

That will get you saved. Everything else is vanity.

God does expect for you to keep your mind directed upon his understanding and not your own, becuase he knows that your understanding will fail when it comes to the truth.[/.quote]

That's one of the reasons I suggested to you that it wasn't wise for you to be adding to scripture.

[quote:5be03]Skeptics are deceived by their god.

Barbarian observes:
Some others do it all by themselves.

Those that do it all by themselves are their own gods. They determine a false truth apart from God's truth.

Mostly Biblical revisionists, who add new doctrines like creationism to scripture.

I'll keep praying for you.

Barbarian observes:
Good idea. Can't hurt. Might ask Him for a little understanding, too.

I have asked for wisdom and understanding from God and he has delivered many times over what I considered possible. He has blessed me with a keen understanding, much wisdom, and great discernment.

And great modesty. You must sit in the front of the church and thank Him that you are not like other men.[/quote:5be03][/quote:5be03]

You don't realize that the Holy Spirit wrote the bible, not the human mind. So it is completely irrelevant through which mind the Holy Spirit was working unless God wants us to know that.

 

[cubedbee]

You don't realize that the Holy Spirit wrote the bible, not the human mind. So it is completely irrelevant through which mind the Holy Spirit was working unless God wants us to know that.

Precisely. The Bible was definitely inspired by the Holy Spirit, and it does not matter through which hand the inspired text flowed. There is no reason to hold on to the demonstratably false concept that Moses wrote the entire Torah--Christians should be intellectually honest and accept that it was written by 4 different authors and then assembled into one.

 

[Guest]

I find it somewhat humerous that when evolution has minor gaps, everyone here screams, "It must be false!" However, where the Bible has gaps, it's a perfectly reasonable that the bible isn't entirely consistent and it doesn't matter because it was all inspired by God.

 

[bibleberean]

I find it somewhat humerous that when evolution has minor gaps, everyone here screams, "It must be false!" However, where the Bible has gaps, it's a perfectly reasonable that the bible isn't entirely consistent and it doesn't matter because it was all inspired by God.

So what? Who cares what an non believer who posts in a Christian forum thinks?

I know I don't... :D

 

[army_of_juan]

I find it somewhat humerous that when evolution has minor gaps, everyone here screams, "It must be false!" However, where the Bible has gaps, it's a perfectly reasonable that the bible isn't entirely consistent and it doesn't matter because it was all inspired by God.

So what? Who cares what an non believer who posts in a Christian forum thinks?

I know I don't... :D

Spoken like a true Christian.

 

[army_of_juan]

You don't realize that the Holy Spirit wrote the bible, not the human mind. So it is completely irrelevant through which mind the Holy Spirit was working unless God wants us to know that.

You only know this because fallible man told you this. This is just an assumption since there's nothing to show that it was no more inspired than say the Koran. Fallible man wrote the bible and that's one thing we can be sure of.

 

[Drew]

I find it somewhat humerous that when evolution has minor gaps, everyone here screams, "It must be false!" However, where the Bible has gaps, it's a perfectly reasonable that the bible isn't entirely consistent and it doesn't matter because it was all inspired by God.

So what? Who cares what an non believer who posts in a Christian forum thinks?

I know I don't... :D

Spoken like a true Christian.

I totally understand why you say this, but I would ask that you consider that not all those who stand under the name "Christian" adopt the same approach to debate and discussion.

 

[soma]

Heidi, I do believe in the word and that the Bible was inspirored by God, but I also believe that the theory of evolution was inspirored by God too. Open your heart and mind to the joy of God's creation. Don't be afraid and close out the truth. The truth will not harm you. People who are afraid Christian and not do not know the truth, but are afraid of false assumpltions.

 

[bibleberean]

Open your heart to the word of God. Evolution is a lie.

:smt023

 

[Frost Giant]

No.

 

[Loren Michael]

No.

 

[Quid]

Open your heart to the word of God. Evolution is a lie.

:smt023

When you become more mature in your understanding of God's word and his ways, come and talk with me, and I'll share with you some of His most precious promises.

 

[bibleberean]

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

God created the heavens and the earth in 6 and all that is in them in 6 days. They didn't evolve... 8-)

 

[Quid]

Again, when you get to know God and cease from leaning on your own understanding, you will understand much more than you currently do. Read the Bible, commit yourself daily to Jesus Christ, and follow the Holy Spirit's guidence; and you will never cease to understand the truth of God.

 

[bibleberean]

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

God created the heavens and the earth in 6 and all that is in them in 6 days. They didn't evolve... 8-)

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

I trust the bible not my own understanding... :D

Genesis 1:26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God created man to have dominion over every living creature on the earth. Man didn't evolve.

Only people who lean on their own understanding have a problem with that. ;-)

 

[Barbarian]

Perhaps it's your understanding that is wrong. You are as capable as the next person of getting it wrong.

You may claim you are better able to understand God's word than orthodox Christians, but there is no reason to believe that's true.

 

[bibleberean]

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

God created the heavens and the earth in 6 and all that is in them in 6 days. They didn't evolve... 8-)

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

I trust the bible not my own understanding... :D

Genesis 1:26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God created man to have dominion over every living creature on the earth. Man didn't evolve.

Only people who lean on their own understanding have a problem with that. ;-)

The bible couldn't be any plainer... :angel: