[_ Old Earth _] The fallacy of evolution

[Loren Michael]

Whenever you'd like to answer my question.

I trust you can show where it clearly states which. Otherwise, you'd have to be interpreting what it says. And we all know how creationists feel about that.

Again, it is obvious that you don't believe the bible but would prefer to make up your own instead, or you wouldn't keep asking the same question. Since you do not believe that God made man out of the dust, then you're looking for an explanation that you understand. That is also what atheists do only they don't disguise themselves as sheep. So it is even further confirmation for me that conversing with you will be a complete waste of time.

if you don't want to discuss something, why bring it up? make a blog or something. ad hominem arguments do nothing, for anyone.

 

[Heidi]

Whenever you'd like to answer my question.

I trust you can show where it clearly states which. Otherwise, you'd have to be interpreting what it says. And we all know how creationists feel about that.

Again, it is obvious that you don't believe the bible but would prefer to make up your own instead, or you wouldn't keep asking the same question. Since you do not believe that God made man out of the dust, then you're looking for an explanation that you understand. That is also what atheists do only they don't disguise themselves as sheep. So it is even further confirmation for me that conversing with you will be a complete waste of time.

if you don't want to discuss something, why bring it up? make a blog or something. ad hominem arguments do nothing, for anyone.

You obviously haven't read my posts. I said that I didn't want to converse with someone who calls himself a Christian but doesn't believe Jesus. That is an oxymoron and makes him untrustworthy from the start.

 

[Quid]

And instead of explaining your position so I might understand it you'd rather call me names? Which verse is that?

If you'd kindly show me where it specifically says God breathed spiritual or physical life into man, I'll go ahead and assume that you interpreted Genesis 2:7 to say that. Which I personally don't mind. The bible's to be interpreted, not taken literally. However, I'm pretty sure most creationists take offense to interpretation.

 

[soma]

You can believe in evolution and in Christianity in fact, thinking that God is in evolution is much more complete than thinking God created an imperfect body with remnants of evolution from dust.

On the following site there is a diagram under evolution that shows how the Christian and the scientist are both correct.

http://thinkunity.com

 

[Heidi]

You can believe in evolution and in Christianity in fact, thinking that God is in evolution is much more complete than thinking God created an imperfect body with remnants of evolution from dust.

On the following site there is a diagram under evolution that shows how the Christian and the scientist are both correct.

http://thinkunity.com

John 1:1-3 says that Jesus is the Word. And the Word says that God formed man out of the dust and he became a living being. Do you not believe the Word, Soma? :o I do. The whole reason the theory of evolution even came about was because Darwin didn't believe the bible. If he did, then why did he even formulate the theory that men came from apesin the first place? :o

 

[Guest]

John 1:1-3 says that Jesus is the Word. And the Word says that God formed man out of the dust and he became a living being. Do you not believe the Word, Soma? :o I do. The whole reason the theory of evolution even came about was because Darwin didn't believe the bible. If he did, then why did he even formulate the theory that men came from apesin the first place? :o

Please, cite for me a passage from Darwin's writings that states that man came from apes.

 

[Heidi]

John 1:1-3 says that Jesus is the Word. And the Word says that God formed man out of the dust and he became a living being. Do you not believe the Word, Soma? :o I do. The whole reason the theory of evolution even came about was because Darwin didn't believe the bible. If he did, then why did he even formulate the theory that men came from apesin the first place? :o

Please, cite for me a passage from Darwin's writings that states that man came from apes.

You're not serious are you? The whole book "The Origin Tf The Species" by Charles Darwin is all about human beings descending from lower primates and animals giving birth to pther species. That's why it's called "The Origin Of The Species." He never says that God created men out of dust, ever.

What do you think "evolution" means? :o Are you suggesting that Darwin believes that God created man out of dust or that we descended from lower primates?

If Darwin isn't saying this, then what is the common ancestor all about? What does he have to do with anything? :o Why is there even a search for him? You are contradicting other evolutionists, my friend. :wink:

 

[Quid]

John 1:1-3 says that Jesus is the Word. And the Word says that God formed man out of the dust and he became a living being. Do you not believe the Word, Soma? :o I do. The whole reason the theory of evolution even came about was because Darwin didn't believe the bible. If he did, then why did he even formulate the theory that men came from apesin the first place? :o

Please, cite for me a passage from Darwin's writings that states that man came from apes.

You're not serious are you? The whole book "The Origin Tf The Species" by Charles Darwin is all about human beings descending from lower primates and animals giving birth to pther species. That's why it's called "The Origin Of The Species." He never says that God created men out of dust, ever.

What do you think "evolution" means? :o Are you suggesting that Darwin believes that God created man out of dust or that we descended from lower primates?

If Darwin isn't saying this, then what is the common ancestor all about? What does he have to do with anything? :o Why is there even a search for him? You are contradicting other evolutionists, my friend. :wink:

So are you going to cite a specific passage? Or ignore his question like you've been ignoring mine?

 

[Heidi]

John 1:1-3 says that Jesus is the Word. And the Word says that God formed man out of the dust and he became a living being. Do you not believe the Word, Soma? :o I do. The whole reason the theory of evolution even came about was because Darwin didn't believe the bible. If he did, then why did he even formulate the theory that men came from apesin the first place? :o

Please, cite for me a passage from Darwin's writings that states that man came from apes.

You're not serious are you? The whole book "The Origin Tf The Species" by Charles Darwin is all about human beings descending from lower primates and animals giving birth to pther species. That's why it's called "The Origin Of The Species." He never says that God created men out of dust, ever.

What do you think "evolution" means? :o Are you suggesting that Darwin believes that God created man out of dust or that we descended from lower primates?

If Darwin isn't saying this, then what is the common ancestor all about? What does he have to do with anything? :o Why is there even a search for him? You are contradicting other evolutionists, my friend. :wink:

So are you going to cite a specific passage? Or ignore his question like you've been ignoring mine?

I don't have a copy of the book at my house but you can find it in the Library. I read it years ago. You also should check out the other threads on this forum where other evolutionists say we came from apes. So I suggest you evolutionists try to get your stories straight so you know what your theory states.

 

[Quid]

I don't have a copy of the book at my house but you can find it in the Library. I read it years ago. You also should check out the other threads on this forum where other evolutionists say we came from apes. So I suggest you evolutionists try to get your stories straight so you know what your theory states.

So what you're saying is you're making up an accusation based on no material at hand. Wondrous.

We are descended from an ape like creature. We told you this. Several times.

So did God breath spiritual or physical life into man?

 

[Heidi]

I don't have a copy of the book at my house but you can find it in the Library. I read it years ago. You also should check out the other threads on this forum where other evolutionists say we came from apes. So I suggest you evolutionists try to get your stories straight so you know what your theory states.

So what you're saying is you're making up an accusation based on no material at hand. Wondrous.

We are descended from an ape like creature. We told you this. Several times.

So did God breath spiritual or physical life into man?

Now you're splitting hairs. You're still claiming that we descended from wild beasts, period. You can call them anything you want but they are still fictitious because they haven't been found yet. They only exist in the imagination...unless you're going to change your story again and claim we came from apes. The documentary on evolution on the History Channel also claimed we descended from apes. It was called "From Ape To Man". So as I said repeatedly, this proves that evolutionists can't get their stories straight.

God sure did breathe life into man which is why deep down inside everyone's heart, he knows that Jesus is Lord. He knows it because Jesus is the only religious figure whose existence people try to deny. He is also the only religious figure whom uneblievers curse because Satan knows Christ is the only one with power over him. And since they don't curse the tooth fairy because they know the tooth fairy is imaginary, but they curse the name of Christ, they too know he is the truth.

Man is also capable of understanding spiritual things because God breathed life into him but did not do that with the animals, and that's the biggest things that separates man from the animals, besides, cognition, the ability to form complex analyses, and build structures, invent technology, etc.

 

[Quid]

You haven't answered whether it was spiritual or physical life. The two concepts are recognized, so which did he breathe into man? Surely it says somewhere specifically? Or are you interpreting it to say so? Which is a complaint most creationists hold against all other Christians.

 

[AHIMSA]

Heidi,

In the forum To Those Who Take the Bible Literally you were confronted with the issue of the flood, and the lack of scientific evidence for it. You said just because there isn't evidence for something does not mean that it didn't happen. I quote:

The fallacy of scientists is that if they can't see it then they say it doesn't exist. Nothing can be more closed minded than that.

Yet you just said:

You're still claiming that we descended from wild beasts, period. You can call them anything you want but they are still fictitious because they haven't been found yet. They only exist in the imagination...

I don't see how you can reconcile both of your positions. I think you need to choose one. Secondly, you are ignoring that though the "beasts" themselves have not actually been found,we have very probable grounds to believe they existed. There have been many 'sub-human' species, such as neanderthalls, that went extinct ages ago.

 

[bibleberean]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... isters.asp

Some evidence to support a world wide flood as given in Genesis.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... deluge.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... /flood.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4168.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... 2/coal.asp

 

[ThinkerMan]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i2/sisters.asp

Some evidence to support a world wide flood as given in Genesis.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... deluge.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... /flood.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4168.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... 2/coal.asp

BB.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,
the evidence of things not seen"

Hebrews 11:1

Given that. If you have proof that the great flood of Genesis occured (as well as other facts of the bible), you have essentially "seen" the evidence.

If the story of Adam, the flood of Genesis, the prophesies of the OT and the miracles of the NT are "proven" true through evidence, on what basis do you claim you have faith?

I do not mean to be trite. This is an honest question. I have a hard time reconciling the claims of "saved by faith" with the supposedly clear evidence claimed by many here.

To an extent, I respect the Catholic Church's position with regard to evolution, the age of the universe, etc. They simply explain it as an unexplained mystery. I see room for faith in their positions. However, with such claims of evidence, I have a hard time seeing where you fit faith into the equation.

I appreciate your response, since I really haven't had anyone answer this question the last few times I've asked.

Good day.

 

[bibleberean]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i2/sisters.asp

Some evidence to support a world wide flood as given in Genesis.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... deluge.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... /flood.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4168.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... 2/coal.asp

BB.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,
the evidence of things not seen"

Hebrews 11:1

Given that. If you have proof that the great flood of Genesis occured (as well as other facts of the bible), you have essentially "seen" the evidence.

If the story of Adam, the flood of Genesis, the prophesies of the OT and the miracles of the NT are "proven" true through evidence, on what basis do you claim you have faith?

I do not mean to be trite. This is an honest question. I have a hard time reconciling the claims of "saved by faith" with the supposedly clear evidence claimed by many here.

To an extent, I respect the Catholic Church's position with regard to evolution, the age of the universe, etc. They simply explain it as an unexplained mystery. I see room for faith in their positions. However, with such claims of evidence, I have a hard time seeing where you fit faith into the equation.

I appreciate your response, since I really haven't had anyone answer this question the last few times I've asked.

Good day.

I believe there is a God based on evidence but I don't see Him. I know by faith He exists but it is not a blind faith.

We have thousands of manuscripts that refer to Jesus Christ but I have never seen Him.

1 Peter 1:7-9 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

There is geological evidence that supports a world wide flood. I did not see the flood but I know it took place.

2 Peter 3:2-9 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I know the scriptures written above are true by faith. I know they will come to pass by faith.

No offence, but your question and understanding of faith is extremely shallow that is why you didn't get an answer. The people you asked probably thought, ..."why even bother". :roll:

 

[bibleberean]

Something to think about...

Kangaroos, dinosaurs, and Eden
by Ken Ham

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... 2/eden.asp

 

[AHIMSA]

I would still like to hear from Heidi...

 

[Frost Giant]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... 2/eden.asp

Summary of link: Don't listen to anything that anyone tells you if it contradicts the Bible.

 

[bibleberean]

I would still like to hear from Heidi...

If she feels like answering you she will. Don't harass or badger people into responding to you. It won't be tolerated.