The Four Horsemen

[hisvessel1]

If you say so Coop...

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The white horse could represent the USA.GWB became president in the first month in the first year of this millinium(given a crown).
He went forth conquering and to conqure after peace was taken from the earth by the second rider.
The second is on the red horse(Bin Laden/muslims).

You've got to be kidding...

No Im not kidding.Ive seen enough prophecy forfilled to know this could very well be the case.As with most prophecy ,the thing is to watch.Observe the signs of the times .

 

[JudaicChristian]

Where in scripture is the white horse linked to America?...

Zechariah 6:6
The one with the black horses is going toward the north country, the one with the white horse-s toward the west, and the one with the dappled horses toward the south."
West from Jerusalem where the prophecy is given, is America.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Christians fleeing religious persecution from the Catholics went West to America.

 

[lecoop]

If you say so Coop...

I could further add, that the intent was to represent righteousness in each one of these.

Coop

 

[hisvessel1]

Where in scripture is the white horse linked to America?...

Zechariah 6:6
The one with the black horses is going toward the north country, the one with the white horse-s toward the west, and the one with the dappled horses toward the south."
West from Jerusalem where the prophecy is given, is America.

Gee, as i read the passages Zech.6:1 -6 is talking about the four chariots. These are God's messengers as instruments of God's judgment upon the earth. Nothing about America here..sorry. KJV

 

[hisvessel1]

Christians fleeing religious persecution from the Catholics went West to America.

 

[hisvessel1]

The white horse could represent the USA.GWB became president in the first month in the first year of this millinium(given a crown).
He went forth conquering and to conqure after peace was taken from the earth by the second rider.
The second is on the red horse(Bin Laden/muslims).

You've got to be kidding...

No Im not kidding.Ive seen enough prophecy forfilled to know this could very well be the case.As with most prophecy ,the thing is to watch.Observe the signs of the times .

May i ask what prophecys [sp] you've seen fullfilled? i'm curious.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Gee, as i read the passages Zech.6:1 -6 is talking about the four chariots. These are God's messengers as instruments of God's judgment upon the earth. Nothing about America here..sorry. KJV

How did you reason that Zech 6 is a prophecy about chariots?

 

[JudaicChristian]

Christians fleeing religious persecution from the Catholics went West to America.

Let me guess! Your confussed because you don't study history!

 

[lecoop]

Christians fleeing religious persecution from the Catholics went West to America.

Let me guess! Your confussed because you don't study history!

May I suggest that you study the CONTEXT of the first seal, so you know WHEN?

That knowledge will go a long way to showing who or what is to be represented by this first horse and rider.

Coop

 

[JudaicChristian]

May I suggest that you study the CONTEXT of the first seal, so you know WHEN?

That knowledge will go a long way to showing who or what is to be represented by this first horse and rider.

Coop

When is now, but who can see it.

Revelation 6
The Seals
1. I watched as the Lamb/Yahshua opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures/beings say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" 2. I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

The red horse is the Middle East and also later the Far East conflict. [Muslims] That means the the rider on the white horse has to be alive now; these days.

Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the Persian/Iranian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days.[21century] Then Michael, one of the chief princes/leaders, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia/Iran.

Daniel 10:21
but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince/leader.

Daniel 12:1
[ The End Times ] "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven/earth. Michael and his angels/messengers fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels/messengers fought back.

 

[lecoop]

May I suggest that you study the CONTEXT of the first seal, so you know WHEN?

That knowledge will go a long way to showing who or what is to be represented by this first horse and rider.

Coop

When is now, but who can see it.

Revelation 6
The Seals
1. I watched as the Lamb/Yahshua opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures/beings say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" 2. I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

The red horse is the Middle East and also later the Far East conflict. [Muslims] That means the the rider on the white horse has to be alive now; these days.

Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the Persian/Iranian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days.[21century] Then Michael, one of the chief princes/leaders, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia/Iran.

Daniel 10:21
but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince/leader.

Daniel 12:1
[ The End Times ] "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven/earth. Michael and his angels/messengers fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels/messengers fought back.

Context!!! Context!!! This means, WHAT DID JOHN WRITE BEFORE the frist seal:

Did you just overlook this? John, in a vision, saw the moment that Jesus ascended into heaven, after telling Mary not to hold to Him for He had not yet ascended:

Revelation 5:6 (King James Version)
6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Ask yourself, WHAT WAS THE DATE Jesus ascended? Let's just guess it was 32 AD. It could have been 33 AD. The point is, that was almost 2000 years ago!!! THIS is the CONTEXT of this first seal.

Therefore, you can FORGET any theorys that this seal represents ANYTHING going on today, or that happened last year, or the last 1000 years. The whole purpose of chapters 4 and 5 are the set the CONTEXT for the first seals. You cannot understand seals, without there CONTEXT.

When you pull a verse out of it CONTEXT, You can end up with nonsense:

Judas Iscariot went out and hanged himself.
God thou and do likewise.
Be of good cheer, for this is the will of the Father concerning YOU.

All these words are the word of God. They certainly have a message. But it would be foolish to assume that this is God's message to YOU.

You cannot find 2000 years between chapters 5 and 6, or between any of those verses: it simply is not there, and it is not the intent of the Author that you insert it there.

Therefore, the intent of these scriptures is that the first seal was broken about 33 AD. This is the truth of the scriptures.

Coop

 

[JudaicChristian]

Context!!! Context!!! This means, WHAT DID JOHN WRITE BEFORE the frist seal:

Coop

You are in error. This is what was said: Revelation 1:19. "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.

 

[hisvessel1]

Gee, as i read the passages Zech.6:1 -6 is talking about the four chariots. These are God's messengers as instruments of God's judgment upon the earth. Nothing about America here..sorry. KJV

How did you reason that Zech 6 is a prophecy about chariots?

It's about the horses in the chariots i.e. Rev.6:2-8. Does this help?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

May i ask what prophecys [sp] you've seen fullfilled? i'm curious.

Quite a few.
Are you looking to read about the USA or Israel?
Most prophecy is about events that take place in or around the promised land.
The USA seems to be right in the middle of things these days though as it is spending alot of time in the middle east.You want to read about the USA?

 

[Andrew]

Context!!! Context!!! This means, WHAT DID JOHN WRITE BEFORE the frist seal:

Coop

You are in error. This is what was said: Revelation 1:19. "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.

Absolutely correct. It's the, "what is NOW", part that counts the most in the context.
If you remain in this time space continuum, the Lamb was slain 2000 years ago, but the text clearly states He was slain from the creation of the world (Context!!! Context!!! This means, WHAT DID JOHN WRITE BEFORE the frist seal
It is pure assumption that the four horsemen have yet to come. The truths about them are equally true throughout history, FROM THE BEGINNING to the end.

 

[lecoop]

Context!!! Context!!! This means, WHAT DID JOHN WRITE BEFORE the frist seal:

Coop

You are in error. This is what was said: Revelation 1:19. "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.

I am supposing that you can read and understand English?

If John wrote ONE SENTENCE after that verse, that was something about the future, and then all the rest his favorite recipes, he would not have broken this verse.

If you will note, it does NOT SAY that all John writes from this point on will be future. John saw a vision. So he wrote: "What you have seen." That vison was a vision OF THE PAST. So John did exactly what he was told: He wrote EXACTLY WHAT HE SAW in the vision. IT WAS GOD the created this vision of the past. If this bothers you, take it up with God, not me. I am only telling you what the intent of the Author, the Holy Spirit was in this vision.

John certain did write many things that were future to him then, and even future to us now, so he certainly fulfilled that verse.

Coop

 

[JudaicChristian]

I am supposing that you can read and understand English?

If John wrote ONE SENTENCE after that verse, that was something about the future, and then all the rest his favorite recipes, he would not have broken this verse.

If you will note, it does NOT SAY that all John writes from this point on will be future. John saw a vision. So he wrote: "What you have seen." That vison was a vision OF THE PAST. So John did exactly what he was told: He wrote EXACTLY WHAT HE SAW in the vision. IT WAS GOD the created this vision of the past. If this bothers you, take it up with God, not me. I am only telling you what the intent of the Author, the Holy Spirit was in this vision.

John certain did write many things that were future to him then, and even future to us now, so he certainly fulfilled that verse.

Coop

I do not know what it is that you are trying to say, but the prophecy is about the past, present, and future. There are no historical facts to show that the first seal had already taken place in the past.

 

[nadab]

At Revelation 1:10, the apostle John wrote that "by inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day." Thus, the events in the book of Revelation, from chapters 6 onward, is seen occurring during the "Lord’s day". The apostle Paul refers to the "Lord's day" as a time of judgment and of fulfillment of divine promises, for he wrote that "he (God) will also make you firm to the end, that you may be open to no accusation in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ" at 1 Corinthians 1:8 and at 2 Corinthians 1:14, in which Paul says "that we are a cause for you to boast, just as you will also be for us in the day of our Lord Jesus."

Paul further wrote to the Philippians that "I am confident of this very thing, that he who started a good work in you will carry it to completion until the day of Jesus Christ....that you may make sure of the more important things, so that you may be flawless and not be stumbling others up to the day of Christ. "(Phil 1:6, 10)

At Philippians 2:16, Paul now says that they should be "keeping a tight grip on the word of life, that I may have cause for exultation in Christ’s day, that I did not run in vain or work hard in vain." With the arrival of that “day,†the "Lord's day", God’s grand purposes move progressively and triumphantly toward their climax.

John is moved forward in time "by inspiration"(literally “In spirit.†Greek, en pneu´ma·ti) down till the "Lord's day". With Revelation 6:2, the "Lord's day" now begins as the first of "seven seals" are opened, with ' someone seated on a white horse, having a bow and is given a crown'.

At Genesis 49:10, Jacob prophetically uttered a statement, saying: "The scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commander’s staff from between his feet, until Shi´loh (Hebrew, Shi·loh´, meaning “He Whose It Is,†or, “He to Whom It Belongsâ€) comes; and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong." Hence, through the tribe of Judah would come forth the one whom is to be given the scepter, or rulership of God's kingdom. Who was this ?

Jesus Christ, the "Lion that is of the tribe of Judah"(Rev 5:5) is seen as receiving the "kingdom" at Daniel 7:13, 14, during the time of the ' small horn' (Anglo-American dual world power which has "eyes like the eyes of a man") that came forth from among the "ten horns" (all the kingdoms resulting from Rome's dissolution for "ten" represents earthly completeness) of the Roman Empire.(Dan 7:7, 8)

Hence, Jesus was chosen to rule God's kingdom, in which David wrote that he was to “sit at (God's) right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.â€(Ps 110:1; Matt 22:41-45) Upon receiving the "kingdom", he went "subduing in the midst of (his) enemies.†(Ps 110:2)

Hence, Jesus is the rider on the "white horse" who was given "a crown" (Greek ste´pha·nos) and goes "forth conquering and to complete his conquest"(Rev 6:2), that goes forth "subduing in the midst of (his) enemies."(Ps 110:2)

A direct result of his enthronement as king of God's kingdom is seen at Revelation 6:3, 4, in which the "second seal" is opened and a rider on a "fiery-colored horse" is granted authority "to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another; and a great sword was given him." What does this mean ?

When was the world engulfed in global war for the first time, that "peace (was taken) away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another" ? World War I in 1914, for following Jesus installation as king of God's heavenly government, the world became consumed by total war in August 1914, with 93 percent of the earth's population being involved and ended with an estimated 21 million soldier and civilian casualities. (Note: In the "State of the World 1999"[Worldwatch Institute, April 29, 1999], it said that :"Three times as many people--110 million--fell victim to war in [the 20th] century as in all the wars from the first century AD to 1899,†)

What is often caused by war ? Famine and of which the rider of the "black horse" brings, having a "pair of scales in his hand" and weighing out either one quart of wheat or 3 quarts of barley, costing a "denarius" or a day's wage.(Rev 6:5, 6) Death now has more victims than any time in history, for Revelation 6:8 says that a rider on a "pale horse" comes forth and the "one seated upon it had the name Death. And Ha´des (or mankind's common grave) was closely following him."

This fourth rider of "Death" is given "authority....over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth." One of the features, "deadly plague" certainly reared its ugly head at the end of WWI.

In the spring of 1918, the Spanish Influenza began, with many investigators tracing it's origin to Kansas, U.S.A. After a sharp increase in influenza deaths, by July 1918 it seemed that the worst was over. But it was not. When World War I ended on November 11, 1918, the world rejoiced. Ironically, at almost that same time, the pestilence broke out earth wide. It was a monster that now claimed international headlines. Few who lived through that time were untouched, and all were frightened.

In a relatively short time, the flu had killed more people than any other pandemic of its kind in human history. A common estimate of worldwide deaths was 21 million, but some experts now judge that figure to be low. Some epidemiologists today suggest that a more likely toll is 50 million deaths or perhaps as many as 100 million ! Notes John M. Barry, in his book The Great Influenza (2004): “Influenza killed more people in a year than the Black Death of the Middle Ages killed in a century; it killed more people in twenty-four weeks than AIDS has killed in twenty-four years.†Thus, the 1918-1919 Spanish flu pandemic has been the worse to ever to hit the face of the earth.

Hence, within a short period of time from the ' rider on the white horse' , Jesus Christ being given a "crown", mankind saw more destructive loss of life than ever before. But the underlying reason why "riders" on the "fiery-colored horse", "black horse" and "pale horse" began can be seen from understanding Revelation 12.