The fourth commandment ?

[twinc]

why honour in preference to love - twinc

 

[jocor]

why honour in preference to love - twinc

Can you elaborate on your question?

 

[tim-from-pa]

I'm not sure what you are asking. It's coming across as a question as to why honor the Sabbath as opposed to just loving (whatever) or to that effect. If I am wrong, you may want to rephrase the question more specifically.

Today is the Sabbath, and I acknowledge it, not legalistically or in some sort of liturgical form that I must follow, but rather to focus specifically on the Lord that it is his day, and what it (as well as the feasts) represent. So I don't beat myself up if I supposedly transgressed something, as none of us are perfect, but we should focus on the meaning however. It teaches us God's plan of redemption, and puts him ahead of everything else while everything else becomes secondary, and like it or not, God picked certain days for us to focus on for those reasons. If you are into science fiction, see them as portals so-to-speak where time meets eternity.

Sometimes threads like this then inflate to a "Sabbath v.s. Sunday" or "Sabbath vs 'any-day-is--as good-as-the-next day' war" and thus missing the whole point because usually the argument is tied in with "I have to do...." on that day and nothing else. No, if love is the fulfilment of the Law, then it becomes a day of freedom where we can love all the more and fulfil the day that way for the Lord's Day.

 

[twinc]

I'm not sure what you are asking. It's coming across as a question as to why honor the Sabbath as opposed to just loving (whatever) or to that effect. If I am wrong, you may want to rephrase the question more specifically.

Today is the Sabbath, and I acknowledge it, not legalistically or in some sort of liturgical form that I must follow, but rather to focus specifically on the Lord that it is his day, and what it (as well as the feasts) represent. So I don't beat myself up if I supposedly transgressed something, as none of us are perfect, but we should focus on the meaning however. It teaches us God's plan of redemption, and puts him ahead of everything else while everything else becomes secondary, and like it or not, God picked certain days for us to focus on for those reasons. If you are into science fiction, see them as portals so-to-speak where time meets eternity.

Sometimes threads like this then inflate to a "Sabbath v.s. Sunday" or "Sabbath vs 'any-day-is--as good-as-the-next day' war" and thus missing the whole point because usually the argument is tied in with "I have to do...." on that day and nothing else. No, if love is the fulfilment of the Law, then it becomes a day of freedom where we can love all the more and fulfil the day that way for the Lord's Day.

 

[twinc]

this is a Christian forum and the Sabbath for a Christian is tomorrow[Sunday] and keeping the Sabbath is the third commandment and not the fourth - so this post has nothing to do with the third commandment - twinc

 

[twinc]

Can you elaborate on your question?

no, I cannot, can you or anyone else - twinc

 

[jocor]

this is a Christian forum and the Sabbath for a Christian is tomorrow[Sunday] and keeping the Sabbath is the third commandment and not the fourth - so this post has nothing to do with the third commandment - twinc

You are referring to the erroneous Catholic version of the Ten Commandments which are divided differently so as to hide the command against graven images which condemns all the images in Catholic churches. The Sabbath for Christians may very well be Sunday, but the Sabbath of Yahweh is on the 7th day, not the 1st day.

 

[twinc]

You are referring to the erroneous Catholic version of the Ten Commandments which are divided differently so as to hide the command against graven images which condemns all the images in Catholic churches. The Sabbath for Christians may very well be Sunday, but the Sabbath of Yahweh is on the 7th day, not the 1st day.

You are referring to the erroneous Catholic version of the Ten Commandments which are divided differently so as to hide the command against graven images which condemns all the images in Catholic churches. The Sabbath for Christians may very well be Sunday, but the Sabbath of Yahweh is on the 7th day, not the 1st day.

according to most calendars and diaries,the week starts on a Monday and ends on the 7th day = Sunday= the Sabbath - twinc

 

[jocor]

according to most calendars and diaries,the week starts on a Monday and ends on the 7th day = Sunday= the Sabbath - twinc

I have never seen a calendar that began with Monday. However, that is irrelevant since we are dealing with something man-made. The fact is, the first day of the week in Scripture is Sunday and the day before is Saturday, the 7th day.

Mat_28:1 In the end of the sabbath (7th day), as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (Sunday), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.​

 

[twinc]

I have never seen a calendar that began with Monday. However, that is irrelevant since we are dealing with something man-made. The fact is, the first day of the week in Scripture is Sunday and the day before is Saturday, the 7th day.

Mat_28:1 In the end of the sabbath (7th day), as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (Sunday), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.​

all I say is go take another look - btw anyone else had a look to confirm or deny - please comment and/or verify as already asked on a previous post but treated as if of no concern or relevance - twinc

 

[jocor]

Different cultures use different days to start the week.

Sunday was named as the first day in Jewish and early Christian tradition, which is reflected in Hebrew, Arabic, Greek, and Portuguese names for the days of the week. The Slavic languages, where the names for Thursday and Friday come from the words for four and five, are the main premodern evidence for a numbering starting with Monday as first.

North American calendars continue to use Sunday as the first day, while European calendars consider Monday the first day.
​

The question for you is, are you going to go by Scripture to determine what the 7th day is or by other cultures?

 

[twinc]

I have never seen a calendar that began with Monday. However, that is irrelevant since we are dealing with something man-made. The fact is, the first day of the week in Scripture is Sunday and the day before is Saturday, the 7th day.

Mat_28:1 In the end of the sabbath (7th day), as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (Sunday), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.​

Different cultures use different days to start the week.

it is possible to be Friday,Saturday or Sunday in different parts of the world at one and the same time - especially and certainly if travelling east to west or west to east - twinc

Sunday was named as the first day in Jewish and early Christian tradition, which is reflected in Hebrew, Arabic, Greek, and Portuguese names for the days of the week. The Slavic languages, where the names for Thursday and Friday come from the words for four and five, are the main premodern evidence for a numbering starting with Monday as first.

North American calendars continue to use Sunday as the first day, while European calendars consider Monday the first day.
​

The question for you is, are you going to go by Scripture to determine what the 7th day is or by other cultures?

 

[TOG]

You are referring to the erroneous Catholic version of the Ten Commandments which are divided differently so as to hide the command against graven images which condemns all the images in Catholic churches. The Sabbath for Christians may very well be Sunday, but the Sabbath of Yahweh is on the 7th day, not the 1st day.

The numbers aren't actually in the Bible, so however you number them, it is a man-made system. Since the commandments were originally given to Israel, here's the way the Jews number the commandments, which I understand is the way they have always done it.

1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
2. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”

The TOG​

 

[jocor]

it is possible to be Friday,Saturday or Sunday in different parts of the world at one and the same time - especially and certainly if travelling east to west or west to east - twinc

What the world does is irrelevant. What day does Scripture say is the 7th day? The day before the first day of the week. The first day of the week has always been Sunday. That is why Christians keep Sunday in honor of Messiah's resurrection on that day.

 

[jocor]

The numbers aren't actually in the Bible, so however you number them, it is a man-made system. Since the commandments were originally given to Israel, here's the way the Jews number the commandments, which I understand is the way they have always done it.

1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
2. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”

The TOG​

I agree that the numbering is man-made in both, but one hides a command and the other reveals a command.. Here is the Catholic version from a Catholic website:

1.I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
2.You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
3.Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
4.Honor your father and your mother
5.You shall not kill
6.You shall not commit adultery
7.You shall not steal
8.You shall not bear false witness
9.You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
10.You shall not covet your neighbor's goods​

The second command concerning graven images is not there. To make up the difference, they divide the tenth command into two commands.

 

[twinc]

What the world does is irrelevant. What day does Scripture say is the 7th day? The day before the first day of the week. The first day of the week has always been Sunday. That is why Christians keep Sunday in honor of Messiah's resurrection on that day.

not at all - that is why I asked for a search of current and archives calendars - twinc

 

[ezrider]

The numbers aren't actually in the Bible, so however you number them, it is a man-made system. Since the commandments were originally given to Israel, here's the way the Jews number the commandments, which I understand is the way they have always done it.

1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
2. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”

The TOG​

The way you have broken them out here, I would ask what is the commandment that you have listed as #1? That to me is more of a declaration and a statement, not a commandment. The commandment that goes with this declaration is that you shall have no other gods before me.

 

[TOG]

The way you have broken them out here, I would ask what is the commandment that you have listed as #1? That to me is more of a declaration and a statement, not a commandment. The commandment that goes with this declaration is that you shall have no other gods before me.

That's the way the Jews number them. In Hebrew, they are not called the Ten Commandments, but the Ten Words. The first word - I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery - is interpreted as a command to believe in YHWH.

The TOG​

 

[WIP]

How about we get this thread back on topic. When I read the OP I clearly understood it was about the command to honor our parents. Which command that is, is not the question.