Bible Study The Godship of Jesus the Christ...

[jocor]

Let's just see...

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar. Hebrews 7:11-13

Sorry, the whole entire Levitical Priesthood has been removed, under which the law was administered, and replaced with a priesthood after the order of Melchizedek, with Jesus as High Priest.

Jesus was not from the tribe of Levi.

No Levitical priesthood = No law of Moses.

Here is a prophecy that will be fulfilled in our future.

Jer 33:14 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD (YHWH), that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
Jer 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
Jer 33:16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD (YHWH) our righteousness.
Jer 33:17 For thus saith the LORD (YHWH); David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
Jer 33:18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
Jer 33:19 And the word of the LORD (YHWH) came unto Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 33:20 Thus saith the LORD (YHWH); If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
Jer 33:21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
Jer 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.​

IOW, the Levites will continue to minister before YHWH as long as day and night exist. That would be at least through the entire millennium. Only the High Priest (Yeshua) will be a non-Levite which is why only the law concerning what tribe the High Priest could come from was changed.

 

[reba]

o my What a low attitude of Jesus the Christ.
Jesus is that promise. .

 

[jocor]

o my What a low attitude of Jesus the Christ.
Jesus is that promise. .

Jesus is what promise? I don't even know what you are referring to.

 

[reba]

Jer 33:14 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD (YHWH), that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.

He is the promise ...

 

[JLB]

He is the promise ...

Yes Ma'am.

He is the Promise. :nod


JLB

 

[jocor]

He is the promise ...

Of course he is. I did not post that passage to belittle Yeshua, but to show that the Levites will continue to minister before YHWH. Yeshua is the High Priest and the Levites of the line of Zadok will serve him (Ezekiel 43:19; 44:15; 48:11) just as the Levites served the Aaronic high priest.

 

[reba]

He came... The promise of Christ is not future .. as you said

 

[jocor]

He came... The promise of Christ is not future .. as you said

I did not say "the promise of Christ" was future. You know full well that I was referring to the highlighted verses concerning the Levites as being yet future. I had to include verse 15 to show that the bold parts are fulfilled AFTER the BRANCH (Yeshua) had come.

 

[reba]

Here is a prophecy that will be fulfilled in our future.

Jer 33:14 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD (YHWH), that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.

I did not say "the promise of Christ" was future. You know full well that I was referring to the highlighted verses concerning the Levites as being yet future. I had to include verse 15 to show that the bold parts are fulfilled AFTER the BRANCH (Yeshua) had come.

Reads to me like that is what you stated ...

 

[jocor]

3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:3-4

The righteous requirement of the law was obedience. Obedience to do all that is written in the law, or be cursed.

Now we are to obey the Spirit of God by walk according to the Spirit.

The Greek does not have the word "requirement" in it. The "righteousness of the law" refers to the righteous acts done when the law is obeyed such as loving one's neighbor or getting your neighbor's ox out of a ditch. Because Yeshua condemned sin in the flesh (the breaking of the law in the flesh), we can now obey the law in the Spirit. For the carnal, fleshly mind is not subject to the law, neither indeed can be, but the Spiritual mind is subject to the law and indeed must be (Rom 8:7).

Righteous requirements of the law... are there un-righteous requirements of the law?

Of course, this is the very thing Paul condemned.

2Yahweh's laws have unrighteous requirements??? 2

Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.Romans 10:1-4

This is not an unrighteous requirement of the law. It is an unrighteous act committed by those seeking to be justified by the law. Yahweh's law is PERFECT, HOLY, JUST and GOOD (Psalm 19:7; Rom 7:12). Yet, you teach it is abolished.

Those that believe it is a sin to:

Eat Pork
Eat Shrimp
Have leaven [yeast] in there home during Passover week.
Not be circumcised.
Not keep the feast's day's
Wear mixed clothing of a cotton and linen blend... etc...

Seek to establish their own righteousness, that is from the law of Moses.

Thus saith JLB, reader of hearts and minds. I keep those laws because I love YHWH and do not want to grieve His Holy Spirit in any way. My obedience to those laws is a fruit of my salvation, not the means to it.

If you think it is a sin [unrighteousness] to wear linen-cotton blend clothing, and so you don't wear that clothing, because it is forbidden by the law of Moses, then you are seeking to be justified [declared righteous] by this law of Moses.

I am justified by faith in and of Messiah Yeshua. out of line

Christ is the end of the law, for righteousness.

What's with the comma? Messiah is the end of seeking to be righteous through law keeping. He is not the end of the law.

Trying to keep the law of Moses, to be right with God is seeking to establish your own righteousness.

out of line

 

[jocor]

Reads to me like that is what you stated ...

Sure does; when you take my words out of context.

 

[reba]

Sure does; when you take my words out of context.

Not my intent at all..
having been reading your posting for a good while now that is truly what your words conveyed to me.. and still do..

 

[jocor]

Not my intent at all..
having been reading your posting for a good while now that is truly what your words conveyed to me.. and still do..

So now that I clarified my meaning, do you still believe I was holding Yeshua in low esteem?

 

[JLB]

So now that I clarified my meaning, do you still believe I was holding Yeshua in low esteem?

Yes, you do.

You deny Him as Lord.

Your claim is Jesus is just a man, and is a lord, like Abraham was called lord by Sarah.

That would certainly qualify as holding Jesus in low esteem, which is a nice way of saying, you blaspheme the Son of God, and deny Him as Lord.

Jesus is our great God and Savior.

looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. Titus 2:13

Furthermore you teach that Jesus did not exist, before He was born of a virgin, yet the scriptures plainly teach us, He created all things and is before all things.

16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Colossians 1:16-17


Reba, has read what you have taught this Forum, and I agree with her.

You hold Jesus in low esteem.



JLB

 

[jocor]

Yes, you do.

You deny Him as Lord.

You, sir, are a liar and a deceiver. Yes, I deny him as YHWH, but I do NOT deny him as my "Lord". This is not the first time you accused me of this and each time I had to correct you. Yet, you persist in trying to portray me as someone who rejects Yeshua by making this same lying statement. Judgment Day is coming JLB.

 

[JLB]

You, sir, are a liar and a deceiver. Yes, I deny him as YHWH, but I do NOT deny him as my "Lord". This is not the first time you accused me of this and each time I had to correct you. Yet, you persist in trying to portray me as someone who rejects Yeshua by making this same lying statement. Judgment Day is coming JLB.

I made it clear, that Jesus is Lord [God].

You made it clear, Jesus is a lord [man].

If that is not your claim, then say so right here and now.

Which do you confess, about Jesus?

Lord = God
or
a lord - man

If you say Jesus is Lord, [God] then I will delete my post, and apologize.

If you say Jesus is a lord, man, like Abraham, [as you have claimed in the past] then you must apologize.


Which is it, Jocor?


JLB

 

[jocor]

Reba, has read what you have taught this Forum, and I agree with her.

You hold Jesus in low esteem.

Reba's "low esteem" comment was made concerning one post where I quoted Jeremiah. You have enlarged your "low esteem" comment to include all I have taught this Forum. This is another example of how you deceive the Forum concerning me. It is also another example of how you make repeated personal attacks against me because you are unable to refute my teachings.

 

[jocor]

I made it clear, that Jesus is Lord [God].

You made it clear, Jesus is a lord [man].

If that is not your claim, then say so right here and now.

Which do you confess, about Jesus?

Lord = God
or
a lord - man

If you say Jesus is Lord, [God] then I will delete my post, and apologize.

If you say Jesus is a lord, man, like Abraham, [as you have claimed in the past] then you must apologize.


Which is it, Jocor?


JLB

If you truly wanted to speak the truth about me to this Forum, you would not have said, "You deny Him as Lord," but "You deny him as LORD" (a statement which I agree with). I also deny him as the "Lord God" of Israel. He is the "Son" of the "God of Israel" (Acts 3:13):

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus (Yeshua); whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.​

 

[JLB]

If you truly wanted to speak the truth about me to this Forum, you would not have said, "You deny Him as Lord," but "You deny him as LORD" (a statement which I agree with). I also deny him as the "Lord God" of Israel. He is the "Son" of the "God of Israel" (Acts 3:13):

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus (Yeshua); whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.​

You called me a liar.

Now is the time to prove whether or not, what I said was a lie.


I made it clear, that Jesus is Lord [God].

You made it clear, Jesus is a lord [man].

Like Abraham was called lord in the OT. The word lord is used with the lower case l, when referring to a man.

“No, my lord, hear me: I give you the field and the cave that isin it; I give it to you in the presence of the sons of my people. I give it to you. Bury your dead!” Genesis 23:11

If that is not your claim, then say so right here and now.

Which do you confess, about Jesus?

Lord = God
or
a lord - man

If you say Jesus is Lord, [God] then I will delete my post, and apologize.

If you say Jesus is a lord, man, like Abraham, [as you have claimed in the past] then you must apologize.


Which is it, Jocor?


JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

This bickering is getting wearisome.
jocor, is Jesus divine? (That's all that matters, IMO).

If you say 'yes', we'll know exactly where you're at concerning that. If you say 'no', we'll drop the subject and move on. JLB, another thread should be opened to discuss the issue, IMO.