THE GOLDEN RULE

[donadams]

Galatians 6:10
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the householdof faith.

 

[donadams]

Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
Jesus did not change the Law. He defined it. For example:

Matthew 5:27-28 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Jesus declared the Law as man understood it. Then He defines it by telling the crowd how God understands it. Adultery isn't just the physical act. It starts when a person lusts.
Surely you can see that this is not a change to the Law.
Further, Jesus did not destroy the Law. He is the fulfillment of the Law; which was/is impossible, for sinful man, to keep.

Another example:

John 2:14-16 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

This was at the temple in Jerusalem. Where in the Law were they allowed to sell livestock and birds out of the temple? God's Law, and subsequently the temple, had become bastardized by man's greed. Can you imagine this going on today? (Buy an ox to sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin.) Did Jesus change the Law? Or did He restore it?
Keep walking everybody. May God bless,
Taz

 

[Tenchi]

12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Mt 7:12.

31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. Lk 6:31.

Spoken to Jews in a Old Covenant context before the Atoning work of Calvary. Under the New Covenant, however, children of God are commanded:

Galatians 5:6
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

Galatians 5:13-14
13 For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Ephesians 4:31-32
31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.
32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

1 John 4:7-11
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.
8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him.
10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

Let's see what the Law says:

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. Ex 21:23–26.

This is the Golden Rule.

Galatians 3:1-3
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.
2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Romans 7:4-6
4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.
5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.
6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

 

[Free]

So, you teach Jesus changed the Law which is tantamount to Jesus destroying Himself (suicide) for the Law prophesied about Him.

It would be great if you would address the arguments and scripture I gave.

 

[donadams]

He never answered mine either

 

[jeremiah1five]

It would be great if you would address the arguments and scripture I gave.

Your position tells me that you believe Jesus changed the Law.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Hey All,
Jesus did not change the Law. He defined it. For example:

The Law didn't need definition. It is clear to understand.
God command Israel in Covenant with God to love those also in Covenant with God and these are the children of Israel in the Abrahamic Covenant.
God never commanded Israel to love those outside this Covenant and this includes Christians today to love only their brethren.

Matthew 5:27-28 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Jesus declared the Law as man understood it. Then He defines it by telling the crowd how God understands it. Adultery isn't just the physical act. It starts when a person lusts.
Surely you can see that this is not a change to the Law.
Further, Jesus did not destroy the Law. He is the fulfillment of the Law; which was/is impossible, for sinful man, to keep.

He didn't need to. God says what He means and means what He says. Israel understood adultery was not only a physical act against one's spouse but also an emotional one.
The original command of God to Israel in Covenant with God is for Israel to love their Covenant brethren ONLY. God never commanded Israel to love the non-Covenant people. Jesus didn't change the Law, so this means the same for the Church today to love only their Covenant brethren.

Another example:

John 2:14-16 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

This was at the temple in Jerusalem. Where in the Law were they allowed to sell livestock and birds out of the temple? God's Law, and subsequently the temple, had become bastardized by man's greed. Can you imagine this going on today? (Buy an ox to sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin.) Did Jesus change the Law? Or did He restore it?
Keep walking everybody. May God bless,
Taz

God allowed it.
Jesus had a problem with the busi-ness of their activity disturbing the peace.
There was nothing wrong with the Law. It didn't need restoring. What it needed was God's people to obey it and not give that which is holy (God's love) to dogs (non-covenant, unsaved people) and not cast your pearls (God's Word ) to swine (non-covenant, unsaved people.) But Christians are disobedient and give themselves over to adultery and fornication when the give God's holy love to swine and dogs.
The love God gives to Christian is meant for Christians to give this love to Christians, but they commit whoredom when the give God's love to someone other than God's Bride.

 

[jeremiah1five]

It would be great if you would address the arguments and scripture I gave.

You said in part: "We are to love everyone. That is to be the basis of our conduct, whether towards believers or unbelievers."

The original command of God to His covenant people is for Israel to love covenant Israel.

By saying Covenant believers are now supposed to love everyone means you believe Jesus changed the Law.

I have addressed your 'arguments.'

If I am in a marriage and I love another woman that is adultery and fornication. This is exactly the sin believers commit against their brethren and against God when the give God's love which is holy and meant for only His bride to someone other than God's bride. This offends God and it offends those who understand the original command and see Christians giving holy love meant for holy brethren to an unholy people. It's adultery and fornication. And it's sin.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Spoken to Jews in a Old Covenant context before the Atoning work of Calvary. Under the New Covenant, however, children of God are commanded:

So, under the New Covenant Jesus changed the Law of Leviticus 19:17-19?

Galatians 5:6
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

Galatians 5:13-14
13 For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Well, when you love someone other than a fellow bride-member you're pretty much serving someone else and not God and not your fellow bride member. It's adultery to give your holy love to a whore who doesn't know Christ and then say, "God, in which way have we sinned against you" the same way they told God in Malachi.

Ephesians 4:31-32
31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.
32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Paul wrote to the Church, not the world. So, take it in context to who is being addressed. The Word of God is written TO and FOR believers ONLY. There is no book, Psalm, Gospel, or epistle written to the world.

1 John 4:7-11
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.
8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him.
10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

There you go: Love one another. And since John and Moses wrote to believers in Covenant with God God's Word should be obeyed.

Galatians 3:1-3
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.
2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Romans 7:4-6
4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.
5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.
6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

So, you're say we are released from the Law in the New Covenant and now it's OK to love the unsaved?
Good. Now I won't have to obey the command to not have other gods before me and not worry about stealing or bearing false witness against someone.
Whew!

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
Adultery is exactly what they charged against the woman in John 8:3-11. She was caught and the Law was clear to the scribes and Pharisees. So was the punishment. Why did they not carry out the sentence? What stopped them? Why did they leave? Jesus did not deny the sin.She was in the wrong. The one person there worthy to carry out the sentence, Jesus, showed mercy.
I am not worthy to carry out the punishment either. I am a sinner who has been shown the same mercy as this lady.

Finally, I have a question for Jeremiah1five.
If this the Law, and the Law has not changed, why do we not hear about adulterers being stored to death today?
Keep walking everybody. May God bless,
Taz

 

[Who Me]

She was caught and the Law was clear to the scribes and Pharisees.

Yes the law is clear and equally they were not obeying the law.
Lev20 :10,“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death"
Where was the man?
Without him what evidence is there that adultery took place?

 

[PeterJens]

Your position tells me that you believe Jesus changed the Law.

Sadly Jesus changed the law.
The apostles had a problem, non Jews were cleansed and accepted into the Kingdom without acknowledging circumcision and the law as they understood it. Their response was a simple set of rules which were very brief.

Jesus is the temple of God set in our hearts. So no more animal sacrifices, no more priests or nation of Israel who are born into the nation of Israel. The Kingdom of God is a Kingdom of faith and obedience to love as expressed through Christ and anointed by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said not one small item of the law would be removed until all was accomplished. This makes sense until Jesus died and became the atoning sacrifice, the temple and priests was the way to the Lord. It is also why in the gospels the curtain was torn in two, to show Jesus was now the way into the Holy of Holies.

Paul preached love fulfilling the law, it being its foundation and personified through Jesus and the cross. Unfortunately this divide is the prophecy of God writing His law on our hearts as His new people. And this gospel is so hard to understand because it is experiential and a gift of God worked and lived out through discipleship.

As hard to say it is, His people hear His voice and follow as the shepherd.
So my question to my heart is am I listening and am I following Jesus as my example?

God bless you

 

[JLB]

The Law and the Prophets.
Let's see what the Law says:

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. Ex 21:23–26.

This is the Golden Rule.

Do you believe Jesus taught us to take an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, and so on?




JLB

 

[JLB]

So, under the New Covenant Jesus changed the Law of Leviticus 19:17-19?

Absolutely!

For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12


The Church is not under the Levitical Priesthood.



JLB

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sadly Jesus changed the law.
The apostles had a problem, non Jews were cleansed and accepted into the Kingdom without acknowledging circumcision and the law as they understood it. Their response was a simple set of rules which were very brief.

Oh no, they understood it. When it began to happen for the Holy Spirit was a Promise of the Covenant God had with Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Joel, Isaiah, Zachariah, and the rest of God's Chosen people that Gentiles would be joining Israel at some future date in Covenant and in going to Jerusalem to sacrifice and worship God.

Jesus is the temple of God set in our hearts. So no more animal sacrifices, no more priests or nation of Israel who are born into the nation of Israel. The Kingdom of God is a Kingdom of faith and obedience to love as expressed through Christ and anointed by the Holy Spirit.

Error. The only thing the proverbial heart does is pump blood. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, not in yours or anyone else's heart.

The Kingdom of God has a King. His Name is Yeshua (Jesus), and He will sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem very soon.

The original command of God to His people in WHO to love is in Leviticus 19 and God commands that His holy people love other holy people in Covenant with Him. God never commads His holy people to love unholy unsaved people. Members of the Bride of Christ are commanded to love their saved brethren ONLY. To love the unsaved in disobedience to God is adultery and fornication.

Jesus said not one small item of the law would be removed until all was accomplished. This makes sense until Jesus died and became the atoning sacrifice, the temple and priests was the way to the Lord. It is also why in the gospels the curtain was torn in two, to show Jesus was now the way into the Holy of Holies.

No argument there.

Paul preached love fulfilling the law, it being its foundation and personified through Jesus and the cross. Unfortunately this divide is the prophecy of God writing His law on our hearts as His new people. And this gospel is so hard to understand because it is experiential and a gift of God worked and lived out through discipleship.

The Word of God is written by covenant believers and God's Word is addressed to and for other covenant believers. The epistles Paul wrote is to THE CHURCH (at Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi, etc.) Read it in context to who it was addressed: Believers/the Church.

As hard to say it is, His people hear His voice and follow as the shepherd.
So my question to my heart is am I listening and am I following Jesus as my example?

God bless you

Jesus is at the right hand of the Father.
He is not in your heart.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Do you believe Jesus taught us to take an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, and so on?




JLB

It's in the Scripture. However, we in America live under a different set of rules. Rules that are copied from God except they don't honor the God who Authored them.
The Word of God is written by covenant believers TO and FOR other covenant believers. The Word of God is NOT written nor addressed to the world of dogs, swine, and unsaved unbelievers.
But as a believer if a brother unrighteously strikes me I am commanded by God to strike back, blow for blow. If someone who is unsaved tries to do a home invasion at your residence what will YOU do? Sit back and preach "Jesus loves you. Ask Him into your heart and He will provide so you don't have to rob other people?"

 

[jeremiah1five]

Absolutely!

For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12


The Church is not under the Levitical Priesthood.



JLB

There are three parts to the Mosaic Law. The part that was changed for Israel was the Ceremonial/Sacrificial Laws in that they don't have to offer sacrifice anymore. The Social and Moral Laws still apply, despite you loving your hamburger and fries.

And let me add...the Gentile Church is grafted in along with the Israeli Church who is the true bride of Christ. Too much bastardizing and Hellenizing the New Testament to think that WE are sitting at the head of the table with Christ when it is the Jews that are closest to Him.

Take heed, for if God spared not the NATURAL branches that He spare not thee.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes the law is clear and equally they were not obeying the law.
Lev20 :10,“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death"
Where was the man?
Without him what evidence is there that adultery took place?

And when a Brides-member who is born again, saved, sanctified, washed in the blood gives God's holy love to unsaved unbelievers this ALSO is adultery to God and to fellow Brides-members. It is disobedience and disobedience is still sin.

 

[jeremiah1five]

He never answered mine either

As one former Catholic to another...Get thee to a nunnery!