THE GOLDEN RULE

[Tenchi]

So, under the New Covenant Jesus changed the Law of Leviticus 19:17-19?

Hebrews 9:11-15
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 10:1
1 For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near.

Hebrews 10:10-14
10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins;
12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,
13 waiting from that time onward until his enemies be made a footstool for his feet.
14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

Hebrews 10:19-22
19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus,
20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh,
21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God,
22 let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

The laws of separation and ceremony given to Israel are set aside in the New Covenant, but God's Moral Law written on the hearts of all people, remains. In Christ, the born-again are fully, perfectly sanctified, clothed in Christ's perfect righteousness and thus always acceptable to God, free from the killing letter of the Law.

Well, when you love someone other than a fellow bride-member you're pretty much serving someone else and not God and not your fellow bride member.

False dichotomy. No one has said that one must either love one's own (the household of faith), or the lost. God enjoins us in His word to extend love to both. See my last post.

Paul wrote to the Church, not the world. So, take it in context to who is being addressed. The Word of God is written TO and FOR believers ONLY. There is no book, Psalm, Gospel, or epistle written to the world.

Again, a false dichotomy. The Bible is there to be read by both the saved and unsaved person. And many have been those lost in sin who, reading the word in a hotel room, or hearing it spoken on radio, or given the Gospel of John by an evangelizing believer, have come to a saving faith in Christ.

So, you're say we are released from the Law in the New Covenant and now it's OK to love the unsaved?
Good. Now I won't have to obey the command to not have other gods before me and not worry about stealing or bearing false witness against someone.
Whew!

And another false dichotomy. We are released from the letter of the Law in Christ, just as Paul clearly indicated. But God's Moral Law is not suspended, as a result. This doesn't follow at all from being under the New Covenant. Obviously. Just read the New Testament. Or see my last post.

 

[donadams]

And when a Brides-member who is born again, saved, sanctified, washed in the blood gives God's holy love to unsaved unbelievers this ALSO is adultery to God and to fellow Brides-members. It is disobedience and disobedience is still sin.

If we are saved why do we need pastors and a chief pastor to care for us or fathers to care for our souls?
1 pet 2:25
Heb 13:17

 

[jeremiah1five]

If we are saved why do we need pastors and a chief pastor to care for us or fathers to care for our souls?
1 pet 2:25
Heb 13:17

God ordained it for Israel who is the true Bride of Christ.
Gentile believers are grafted in along with the NATURAL branches.
But they act as though THEY are the natural branches and Israel is grafted in.

 

[donadams]

God ordained it for Israel who is the true Bride of Christ.
Gentile believers are grafted in along with the NATURAL branches.
But they act as though THEY are the natural branches and Israel is grafted in.

Replacement theology

Christ replaces David as king! Lk 1:32-33

The new covenant replaces the mosaic covenant! Matt 21:43 heb 8:13 heb 8:6 heb 9:15
Gal 4 new Jerusalem / new creation
Mary mother of all those living in the new creation of Jesus Christ replaces eve as the mother of the living! Jn 19:26 rev 12:17

The new covenant church is the new Israel! Matt 21:43

The cross replaces the Star of David as the symbol of salvation!

 

[jeremiah1five]

Hebrews 9:11-15
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

This is talking about the Ceremonial Laws which has changed.
But the Moral and Social Laws for Israel remain.

Hebrews 10:1
1 For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near.

Sacrificial/Ceremonial Laws which is fulfilled in Christ. But the Moral and Social Laws remain for Israel. The majority just don't know it yet.

Hebrews 10:10-14
10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins;
12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,
13 waiting from that time onward until his enemies be made a footstool for his feet.
14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

The Sacrificial/Ceremonial Laws were fulfilled in Christ. The Moral and Social Laws remain for Israel. They just don't know it yet.

Hebrews 10:19-22
19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus,
20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh,
21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God,
22 let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

The laws of separation and ceremony given to Israel are set aside in the New Covenant, but God's Moral Law written on the hearts of all people, remains. In Christ, the born-again are fully, perfectly sanctified, clothed in Christ's perfect righteousness and thus always acceptable to God, free from the killing letter of the Law.

The WHOLE Law is written in believers "hearts." It is not written in the "hearts" (which means the WHOLE being of a person) of those not chosen by God to salvation.

False dichotomy. No one has said that one must either love one's own (the household of faith), or the lost. God enjoins us in His word to extend love to both. See my last post.

17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Lev. 19:17–18.

As you can see by the language God commands Israel of twelve tribes to love ONLY Israel of twelve tribes. This is extended to the Gentile Church in our present age which began on the Day of Pentecost. God commands His covenant people - Jew and Gentile - to obey His Word when it comes to love. God's love is a Holy love, and He gives His Holy Love to a holy people. God NEVER commanded His holy people in ciovenant with Him to love the unsaved, unholy people of the world. NEVER!
Not even God gives that which is holy to dogs, nor does He cast His Pearls (which is the Word of God) to swine.
If Christ were to love 'the world' along with His Church who is His bride that would be adultery. Christ has ONLY ONE love and He is fixed to that one love. When fellow Bride-members give holy love to the unholy unsaved people of the world that also is adultery and being that I understand God's love it is offensive to me when it is done.
It is offensive to God.
We never know who is to be saved and whose names are in the book of life, but we can know whether one is of God AFTER their so-called conversion. God's love is a holy love and He gives it (which is Himself for God is love) to a holy people. God's love comes with profit when given to a fellow Brides'-member for they can most assuredly give it back when done under instruction and command of God, and the believer on both sides (giver and receiver) both profit. This is the whole purpose of God's love for His Church, so that she may profit. But giving holy love to an unholy people is adultery and does not come back. Yes, unsaved, unbelievers hate the light neither come to the light. Loving the unsaved is adultery to God and the believer who understands God's love. There are two groups of people in the world. Covenant and non-covenant. If the Bride of Christ is one woman the world is another, a strange woman and strange flesh. This is whoredom to the fullest.

Again, a false dichotomy. The Bible is there to be read by both the saved and unsaved person. And many have been those lost in sin who, reading the word in a hotel room, or hearing it spoken on radio, or given the Gospel of John by an evangelizing believer, have come to a saving faith in Christ.

When you address a letter to someone it is meant to and for that someone.
God's Word is written by believers in Covenant with God and addressed TO and FOR other believers in Covenant with God. It is not addressed to the world.

And another false dichotomy. We are released from the letter of the Law in Christ, just as Paul clearly indicated. But God's Moral Law is not suspended, as a result. This doesn't follow at all from being under the New Covenant. Obviously. Just read the New Testament. Or see my last post.

Here is a Promise God gave to Israel of twelve tribes. By extension and being grafted in with the NATURAL branches to soon be made into one God Promised to put His Law in our inward parts. Thus, when Israel had God's Law written on stone they were guided by the outside. With God's Law put in OUR inward parts (NOT THE UNSAVED UNBELIEVING WORLD'S) God directs and guides His people from within. And being the Law is type and shadow of the Holy Spirit He is the Law God Promised to put in our inward parts to lead and guide us in our daily lives. God has NEVER Promised to put His Law in the inward parts of the unbelieving non-elect world.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
fI will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
Jer. 31:31–34.

Admit first that this Promise is given to Israel of twelve tribes.
Now admit that Gentile believers are grafted in AMONG the Natural branches (which is Israel) and that by extension and under Covenant this Promise belongs also to Gentile believers. To the Jew FIRST. Can you admit that and allow it to humble you? Because if you only give it mental assent then you are believing that Gentiles are the natural branches and Israel is grafted in among them and this is the wrong attitude, the wrong spirit, the wrong demon.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Replacement theology

Christ replaces David as king! Lk 1:32-33

The new covenant replaces the mosaic covenant! Matt 21:43 heb 8:13 heb 8:6 heb 9:15
Gal 4 new Jerusalem / new creation
Mary mother of all those living in the new creation of Jesus Christ replaces eve as the mother of the living! Jn 19:26 rev 12:17

The new covenant church is the new Israel! Matt 21:43

The cross replaces the Star of David as the symbol of salvation!

Nope. I don't believe nor acdcept Replacemnt Theology. That is the theology of Roman and American Catholic.
And German Catholics, and Polish Catholics, and Romanian Catholics, and...

 

[donadams]

Nope. I don't believe nor acdcept Replacemnt Theology. That is the theology of Roman and American Catholic.
And German Catholics, and Polish Catholics, and Romanian Catholics, and...

Or the gospel?
Matt 21:43
Matt 16:18-19

 

[donadams]

Hebrews 9:11-15
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands
That’s Mary
Scripture says: “holiness befits thy house, O Lord” (Ps 93:5). Mary was Jesus’ “house” for 9 months so if holiness befits God’s house would not Mary be holy also? Just like the Ark and the Tabernacle she was set apart and consecrated to the Lord., the holy dwelling of God.

Mary is the temple of God, God consecrated and dwelt in this temple for 9 months and it cannot be used for a ordinary purpose, and it is God who glorified his dwelling!

King david has love of Mary!

Psalm 26:8
Lord, I have loved the habitation of thy house, and the place where thine honour dwelleth.

 

[JLB]

It's in the Scripture.

Please show the scripture whereby Jesus said we are to take an eye for and eye...

 

[Tenchi]

This is talking about the Ceremonial Laws which has changed.
But the Moral and Social Laws for Israel remain.

No, only the Moral Law remains. All laws of ceremony and separation are dissolved under the New Covenant, as the Scripture I gave you clearly indicated. If you want a specific NT example of the law of separation being dissolved, simply read Paul's letter to the Galatians, particularly chapters 3 and 4. In this letter, he severely criticized the Judaizers who were trying to bring the believers in the province of Galatia under the circumcision law of Israel - one of the many laws of separation in force under the Old Covenant.

Galatians 3:10-14
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Galatians 5:2-4
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.
4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Galatians 6:15
15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Lev. 19:17–18.

As you can see by the language God commands Israel of twelve tribes to love ONLY Israel of twelve tribes.

You are again asserting a false dichotomy. Nowhere in the verses in Leviticus you cited is it said that the Israelites were to love ONLY members of the nation. Instead, the Israelites were commanded to treat non-Israelites with careful equanimity:

Exodus 22:21
21 “You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 23:9
9 “You shall not oppress a sojourner. You know the heart of a sojourner, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.

Leviticus 19:9-10
9 “When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest.
10 And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:33-34
33 “When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.
34 You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

God commands His covenant people - Jew and Gentile - to obey His Word when it comes to love. God's love is a Holy love, and He gives His Holy Love to a holy people. God NEVER commanded His holy people in ciovenant with Him to love the unsaved, unholy people of the world. NEVER!

What a bizarre idea you've got about this matter. It's so plainly contrary to God's word! Wow. If God had followed your thinking, no one would have been saved! But God loved us when we were enemies toward Him, when we were weak and wicked, hateful and hating one another, bound under the power of the World, the Flesh and the devil.

Romans 5:6-10
6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die—
8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

Colossians 1:21-22
21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds,
22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,

Ephesians 2:1-5
1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

Titus 3:3-6
3 For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another.
4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

Continued below.

 

[Tenchi]

God did not wait to love us until we were His own; His agape love extends to all, saved and lost, righteous and wicked. We can do no less than our heavenly Father in this regard. In fact, He commands that we do:

Matthew 5:43-48
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

1 John 4:7-11
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.
8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him.
10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
Matthew 28:19-20
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Mark 16:15
15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.

1 Corinthians 9:19-23
19 For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them.
20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.
21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.
23 I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings.

You're doctrine of "love" is an evil thing. How you've come to hold it against the plain declaration of God's word, I don't know. Be warned: God does not deal lightly with those who knowingly contort and misrepresent His truth.

If Christ were to love 'the world' along with His Church who is His bride that would be adultery.

Good grief. I take it you don't attend a Bible-believing church. Only folks long separated from a stabilizing, instructing and challenging community of believers take up such wonky notions about the faith. See Ephesians 4:11-16.

If the Bride of Christ is one woman the world is another, a strange woman and strange flesh. This is whoredom to the fullest.

What dangerous and unbiblical nonsense. The Church, called the Body of Christ, is to extend the love of God expressed in and through Jesus Christ to the world. See above. The Christian believer is not to love the World in the sense of its philosophies, priorities and ethics which reflect the god of the World, the devil (1 John 2:15-17; Colossians 2:8), but they are absolutely to love those who are lost, the people in the World, and on their way to hell, sharing with them the saving truth of the Gospel, even at great cost to themselves, as Christ and all of the apostle did.

Romans 10:13-15
13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!”

When you address a letter to someone it is meant to and for that someone.
God's Word is written by believers in Covenant with God and addressed TO and FOR other believers in Covenant with God. It is not addressed to the world.

Again, this is badly in error. In His omniscience, God knew that many beyond His own Chosen People and adopted, born-again children would read His word - and become His own, as a result. God knew that the letters of John, Paul, Peter and James would endure long after the original readers of their letters were dead and gone. And so, for many centuries, He has preserved His word, spoken through his prophets and apostles, having always intended that the entire world should have access to His saving, life-transforming truth. It's just...mind-boggling that you would suggest otherwise. Wow.

God has NEVER Promised to put His Law in the inward parts of the unbelieving non-elect world.

Romans 2:14-16
14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness...

Admit first that this Promise is given to Israel of twelve tribes.

??? To whom else would it have been given. But it was given ONLY to them.

Now admit that Gentile believers are grafted in AMONG the Natural branches (which is Israel)

The whole matter of "grafting" in Romans 11 is about salvation, not membership in the nation of Israel.

Romans 11:11
11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous.

Romans 11:25-27
25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”

Salvation has nothing to do with being in Israel but with being in Christ the Savior, who will "banish ungodliness from Jacob."

Can you admit that and allow it to humble you? Because if you only give it mental assent then you are believing that Gentiles are the natural branches and Israel is grafted in among them and this is the wrong attitude, the wrong spirit, the wrong demon.

If there is anyone in need of humility, it is you. Despite the plain and direct declaration of God's word, you hold to a profoundly erroneous and destructive thinking about the Church, God's love, and the lost. What's worse, you try to foist your badly mistaken notions on Christians, potentially confusing them and leading them astray. Be warned: God won't tolerate this sort of thing.

2 Peter 2:12-13
12 But these...blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction,
13 suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing...

 

[JLB]

There are three parts to the Mosaic Law. The part that was changed for Israel was the Ceremonial/Sacrificial Laws in that they don't have to offer sacrifice anymore. The Social and Moral Laws still apply, despite you loving your hamburger and fries.

And let me add...the Gentile Church is grafted in along with the Israeli Church who is the true bride of Christ. Too much bastardizing and Hellenizing the New Testament to think that WE are sitting at the head of the table with Christ when it is the Jews that are closest to Him.

Take heed, for if God spared not the NATURAL branches that He spare not thee.

For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, Romans 11:16-17

Gentiles are grafted into the "cultivated olive tree".

The root, which is Christ and the Abrahamic Covenant, not the law of Moses which was added to the Abrahamic Covenant, temporarily until the Seed should come.

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:19


The New "Renewed Covenant" is the "Renewed Abrahamic Covenant" which always included Gentiles.


The law of Moses was abolished in His flesh, nailed to the cross and taken out of the way.

For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,
and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.
Ephesians 2:14-16

The dividing wall of separation between Jew and Gentile was the law of Moses. Now it has been abolished and the intended one new man in Christ, has been created.





JLB

 

[jeremiah1five]

Hebrews 9:11-15
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands
That’s Mary

There you go saying wrong things again.
I suppose you're thinking the matrix is the tabernacle Jesus entered through?
The things you come up with, Don, that are not in Scripture. Man, oh, man.

Scripture says: “holiness befits thy house, O Lord” (Ps 93:5). Mary was Jesus’ “house” for 9 months so if holiness befits God’s house would not Mary be holy also? Just like the Ark and the Tabernacle she was set apart and consecrated to the Lord., the holy dwelling of God.

No, the House is the Tabernacle. It's also the Temple. Jesus said some things about making my house a den of thieves. You spiritualize when you should be literal.

Mary is the temple of God, God consecrated and dwelt in this temple for 9 months and it cannot be used for a ordinary purpose, and it is God who glorified his dwelling!

Scripture, please.

King david has love of Mary!

He didn't even know her. She wasn't even born for 1000 years!

Psalm 26:8
Lord, I have loved the habitation of thy house, and the place where thine honour dwelleth.

That would be the Tabernacle where the Presence of God was.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Please show the scripture whereby Jesus said we are to take an eye for and eye...

Jesus wrote the Scripture. He IS the Word, the Logos.

But to satisfy your question He said it in Exodus 21:24-25 and said it again and upheld the Law by using another way of saying it that the Jews understood.

Whatsoever you want that men should do to you do also to them.

The Golden Rule.

Do unto others (leave their eye alone) as you want them to do to you.

Eye for eye. Or no eye for no eye. It's not hard to understand, JLB.

 

[donadams]

There you go saying wrong things again.
I suppose you're thinking the matrix is the tabernacle Jesus entered through?
The things you come up with, Don, that are not in Scripture. Man, oh, man.

No, the House is the Tabernacle. It's also the Temple. Jesus said some things about making my house a den of thieves. You spiritualize when you should be literal.

Scripture, please.

He didn't even know her. She wasn't even born for 1000 years!

That would be the Tabernacle where the Presence of God was.

Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
And cannot be used for any common purpose!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house of bread!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Holy mother of God!

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Biblical principle:
Anything Consecrated to God must be pure, holy, and only used for the service of God!

See exodus: the ark of the covenant, everything used in the temple etc.

 

[Free]

Catholic specific doctrine is to be discussed in the Catholic forum only.

 

[jeremiah1five]

No, only the Moral Law remains.

Spoken like a true Gentile. The Social Law also remains but we're not under the Jewish system of government. Not one jot or tittle will pass away until ALL is fulfilled. And ALL will be fulfilled when Christ returns. He still has to end the Times of the Gentiles and turn His full attention towards Israel and save Israel.

All laws of ceremony and separation are dissolved under the New Covenant, as the Scripture I gave you clearly indicated. If you want a specific NT example of the law of separation being dissolved, simply read Paul's letter to the Galatians, particularly chapters 3 and 4. In this letter, he severely criticized the Judaizers who were trying to bring the believers in the province of Galatia under the circumcision law of Israel - one of the many laws of separation in force under the Old Covenant.

I understand that. The Ceremonial Laws were fulfilled in Christ.
But the Social and Moral Laws are still in effect.

Galatians 3:10-14
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

That has to do with the works of the Law to save you which I don't believe. We are saved by the faith of Jesus Christ. He saved us from the Law only to put the Law right back into our inward parts so that we may be guided by His Spirit who is the Personification of those Laws. He works in our conscience from within where in Moses' time He worked from without.

Galatians 5:2-4
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.
3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.
4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Galatians 6:15
15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

And the new creation is the new man in Christ. Christ fulfilled the Law and Christ is in us by faith and God sees us as having fulfilled the Law just the same because Christ is in us who fulfilled the Law. This is the grounds of our justification.

You are again asserting a false dichotomy. Nowhere in the verses in Leviticus you cited is it said that the Israelites were to love ONLY members of the nation. Instead, the Israelites were commanded to treat non-Israelites with careful equanimity:

Here is God's Word and Command to the twelve tribes in the desert and situated in encampments determined by God.

17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother [member of the same tribe] in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour [member of a different tribe living adjacent to another tribe as God placed the tribes around the Tabernacle], and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people [member of any tribe], but thou shalt love thy neighbour [member of a different tribe adjacent to another tribe as God has placed the tribes around the Tabernacle] as thyself: I am the LORD. Lev. 19:17–18.

All the Gentiles that lived in the Promised Land were destroyed and the only neighbor to any tribe where God led them was another tribe. So, you have 'brethren' which is a member of your tribe, and you have 'neighbor' which is a member of a different tribe living next to you. God commands Israel to love Israel.

Exodus 22:21
21 “You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 23:9
9 “You shall not oppress a sojourner. You know the heart of a sojourner, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.

Leviticus 19:9-10
9 “When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest.
10 And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:33-34
33 “When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.
34 You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

The word for love in your verse does not transliterate to agape. That's another word.
It means [Strong's] or ’aheb, aw-habe’; a primitive root; to have affection for (sexually or otherwise). And this word is different from God's love and is used in Leviticus 19:18.

It's DEFINITLY NOT agape.

That's a different word altogether. The Covenant "love" God has for His Bride (Israel) is "hesed." This is the "agape" that God has for His people.

6 Surely goodness and mercy ("hesed") shall follow me all the days of my life:
And I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
Ps 23:6.

6 And shewing mercy ("hesed") unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Ex 20:6.

10 And shewing mercy ("hesed") unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments. Dt 5:10.

And the stranger or foreigner? You can't tell me it's not a relative of Abraham. But they would have to be related to even want to be with Israel who is decimating Gentiles left and right from the land. The point is that God has commanded His people to love those that are in Covenant with God. This means fellow believers. And Jesus did not change the Law. He upholds it.

What a bizarre idea you've got about this matter. It's so plainly contrary to God's word! Wow. If God had followed your thinking, no one would have been saved! But God loved us when we were enemies toward Him, when we were weak and wicked, hateful and hating one another, bound under the power of the World, the Flesh and the devil.

If "devil" you mean Lucifer, it's not correct. The angels that sinned are all chined in darkness awaiting judgment.
God is Sovereign. God's love is Sovereign. God is Immutable. God has a 'book of life' He's following and alternating between two positions of "I love you today" but if you sin "I will not love you tomorrow." God is following the book of life and these are the ones He loves and for whom Christ died.

Romans 5:6-10
6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die—
8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

Yes we were ungodly in all aspect of our lives and God saved us because our names are in the book of life of the lamb slain. Paul is speaking to believers. Read it and understand it in this context.

Colossians 1:21-22
21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds,
22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,

Ephesians 2:1-5
1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

Titus 3:3-6
3 For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another.
4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

Continued below.

Yes, yes. I agree and understand these passages.

But the OP is the Golden Rule and that eye for eye, etc., is one way of saying "what you want men to do to you, do also to them."

 

[PeterJens]

Oh no, they understood it. When it began to happen for the Holy Spirit was a Promise of the Covenant God had with Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Joel, Isaiah, Zachariah, and the rest of God's Chosen people that Gentiles would be joining Israel at some future date in Covenant and in going to Jerusalem to sacrifice and worship God.

Error. The only thing the proverbial heart does is pump blood. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, not in yours or anyone else's heart.

The Kingdom of God has a King. His Name is Yeshua (Jesus), and He will sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem very soon.

The original command of God to His people in WHO to love is in Leviticus 19 and God commands that His holy people love other holy people in Covenant with Him. God never commads His holy people to love unholy unsaved people. Members of the Bride of Christ are commanded to love their saved brethren ONLY. To love the unsaved in disobedience to God is adultery and fornication.

No argument there.

The Word of God is written by covenant believers and God's Word is addressed to and for other covenant believers. The epistles Paul wrote is to THE CHURCH (at Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi, etc.) Read it in context to who it was addressed: Believers/the Church.

Jesus is at the right hand of the Father.
He is not in your heart.

Jesus is the word made flesh. When the word dwells within us, in our thoughts and actions, Jesus is in us.
Scripture is emotional and figurative as well as physical and realistic.

16 I pray that according to the wealth of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inner person,
17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith, so that, because you have been rooted and grounded in love,
18 you may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth,
19 and thus to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God.
Eph 3:16-19

6 Therefore, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him,
7 rooted and built up in him and firm in your faith just as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
col 2:6-7

9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this person does not belong to him.
10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is your life because of righteousness.
11 Moreover if the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, the one who raised Christ from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his Spirit who lives in you.
Rom 8:9-11

The point of Jesus is we become one with Him, His will and desires become ours.
This is metaphorical but also the fruit of His ministry and we as ambassadors are His representatives of His actions and words. But clearly some want to separate the physical from the spiritual, but miss so much of what love and unity actually mean.

God bless you

 

[GodsGrace]

First, God gave Moses the revelation of His Word and Moses wrote it all down. The Old Testament Scripture IS the Living Word and I believe that Word is from God.

Since Jesus is God and He lived, HE is the living Word.
The bible is the written word of God.
We worship God, not the bible, as some do.

When Jesus sent His Apostles to teach all nations, He meant what HE taught in the years He was with the Apostles.
He did not teach that adulterers were to be stoned to death.
He did not teach that a disobedient son was to be brought to the edge of the village and killed.
He did not teach that we're to give a certificate of divorce to our spouse.
Many of the Laws of Moses went by the wayside and were no longer valid.

Leviticus is the third book by Moses and the keyword for this book is "holiness."
And being that God commands His people Israel to only love their fellow tribesmen in Covenant with God and God's love is holy, what Jesus said in NOT giving that which is holy to dogs (non-covenant people) makes sense, for the unsaved do not have God's love and cannot give it back.

Interesting concept.
Jesus said that we're to love our neighbor.
Who is our neighbor? Only other Christians?
No. Everyone is our neighbor.
Matthew 22:37-39
37And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’
38“This is the great and foremost commandment.
39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’

Jesus said we shouldn't throw pearls to the dogs.
Or give what is holy to dogs.
Matthew 7:6
6“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
We are not to participate with those that blaspheme God and have no respect for Him.
They can do us harm.

However, He does expect us to spread His message when the other person is willing to listen.
2 Timothy 4:2
2Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

Leviticus describes all God built and commanded in the raising of the Tabernacle and God placed the twelve tribes of Jacob in their own places as He desired them to live. Their "brother" was someone of the same tribe. Their neighbor was another tribe God situated to live next to them. "Children of thy people" refers to every member of every tribe around the Tabernacle. There were no Gentiles living near Israel since God ordered their destruction and taking their residential land.

Are you Jewish or a Christian trying to live in OT times?
Did Jesus not knock down the wall between the Jews and the Gentiles?
Ephesians 2:14-15
14For Christ himself has brought peace to us. He united Jews and Gentiles into one people when, in his own body on the cross, he broke down the wall of hostility that separated us.
15He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups.

There is no conflict.
Jesus didn't come to change the Law on love. He upheld it. Believers in Covenant with God are commanded to love their brethren in Covenant with God.
Not even God gives that which is holy to dogs (non-covenant people) nor does He cast His pearls (of which is His Holy Word) to swine (unclean, unsaved, non-elect) people.

Your belief system causes much conflict as shown above.

If God does not give to dogs what is holy...how did you and I ever become saved?

As you surely know, we were both dogs at one time.
1 Corinthians 6:11
11Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jesus is the word made flesh. When the word dwells within us, in our thoughts and actions, Jesus is in us.
Scripture is emotional and figurative as well as physical and realistic.

16 I pray that according to the wealth of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inner person,
17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith, so that, because you have been rooted and grounded in love,
18 you may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth,
19 and thus to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God.
Eph 3:16-19

6 Therefore, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him,
7 rooted and built up in him and firm in your faith just as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
col 2:6-7

9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this person does not belong to him.
10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is your life because of righteousness.
11 Moreover if the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, the one who raised Christ from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his Spirit who lives in you.
Rom 8:9-11

The point of Jesus is we become one with Him, His will and desires become ours.
This is metaphorical but also the fruit of His ministry and we as ambassadors are His representatives of His actions and words. But clearly some want to separate the physical from the spiritual, but miss so much of what love and unity actually mean.

God bless you

The point should be is that we are supposed to be one with Him and in our salvation we are. Kinda. Because one thing that divides us is the flesh we live in today. It is contrary to the Spirit. Our worldliness is contrary to the Father, too.
The thing you said about us being "ambassadors." Unless Jesus has spoken directly to you in prophecy through the Holy Spirit (Acts 13:1-4) you are not an ambassador. Paul is speaking about him and Barnabas. THEY were called to that ministry, and THEY are the ambassadors. Remember, it's a letter/epistle. And he sometimes 'speaks' in the first person as he did in 2 Cor. 5.
Just a word to help.