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The irrelevancy of women's abilities/contribution in the bible.

Classik

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The irrelevancy (or should I say, unimportance) of women's abilities/contribution in the bible - and in churches today.

The OT didn't kind of recognise women; the NT also didn't say much about women. Were they not important in the OT & NT days? Even in churches and in our communities today women are not well recognised: no female pastors, no female overall leaders etc... Wht? Why? Why? Imcompetence???:dunno :shrug :confused


How many of the disciples were females??? How many of the apostles were females??? How many of the writer of the bible chapters were females??? How many females had their deeds recorded in the bible...as we have Moses' account, David, Daniel...just very few???

So, where does the bible place women??? :dunno :shrug :confused
 
I think God places women equal with men, but women do indeed have a different role, and for most women that role isn't going to be putting her in the forefront of history, which is what most of the Bible records.

Moses, David and Daniel were all mighty men, doing what men could do back then. Women simply didn't have as much opportunity for doing so.

That doesn't mean that the Bible doesn't recognize some mighty heroines, though.

We have Deborah, who led Israel to a mighty victory (and Jael, who delivered the fatal blow to their enemy), there's Rahab, Tamar, Noadiah, Huldah all women who were willing to make a stand against unrighteousness.

And, as you so correctly pointed out, many women were disciples of Jesus and hard workers in the early church as well.
 
I don't think you are right about this. There are a lot of women in the Bible. One was the leader of Israel for a bit. Their actions also had a major impact in the Bible. Eve. Samson's wife led him to kill the philistines. David and Solomon did things because of women. Moses' sister Deborah was in there. Naomi and Ruth. Jesus loved the two sisters and praised the lady who gave two mites. Didn't Jesus first appear to women after he was risen? I'm no Bible scholar and I haven't read the whole book but I see a lot of women in the Bible playing major parts. The effect women have on men and just being women is a major part of the Bible.

You weren't just trying to be controversial were you?
 
I think God places women equal with men, but women do indeed have a different role, and for most women that role isn't going to be putting her in the forefront of history, which is what most of the Bible records.Moses, David and Daniel were all mighty men, doing what men could do back then. Women simply didn't have as much opportunity for doing so.That doesn't mean that the Bible doesn't recognize some mighty heroines, though.We have Deborah, who led Israel to a mighty victory (and Jael, who delivered the fatal blow to their enemy), there's Rahab, Tamar, Noadiah, Huldah all women who were willing to make a stand against unrighteousness.And, as you so correctly pointed out, many women were disciples of Jesus and hard workers in the early church as well.
Actually those were the very minor inclusions:shrug
 
I don't think you are right about this. There are a lot of women in the Bible. One was the leader of Israel for a bit. Their actions also had a major impact in the Bible. Eve. Samson's wife led him to kill the philistines. David and Solomon did things because of women. Moses' sister Deborah was in there. Naomi and Ruth. Jesus loved the two sisters and praised the lady who gave two mites. Didn't Jesus first appear to women after he was risen? I'm no Bible scholar and I haven't read the whole book but I see a lot of women in the Bible playing major parts. The effect women have on men and just being women is a major part of the Bible. You weren't just trying to be controversial were you?
Controversial? Factual...on the topic!
 
Actually those were the very minor inclusions:shrug

Not minor, surely. These stories are very important, pivotal even. What would have happened had Rahab not protected the Israelite spies? What if Siscera had conquered Israel?

That there were not a lot of women playing major roles is simply due to the fact that the role of wife/mother tends not to lend itself to history, and that's what most women have been throughout the ages. But, the Bible mentions a lot of women and the importance they had in the history of our faith.
 
Jesus had a mom? Yeah! Glad that the Catholic remember her;) besides those are my private smilies;)
 
That men dominate in almsot everything doesn't mean they are without mistakes...at the same time that women are less recognised in societies doen't mean they know less or are flawed:sad:sad
 
I think God places women equal with men, but women do indeed have a different role, and for most women that role isn't going to be putting her in the forefront of history, which is what most of the Bible records.

Moses, David and Daniel were all mighty men, doing what men could do back then. Women simply didn't have as much opportunity for doing so.

That doesn't mean that the Bible doesn't recognize some mighty heroines, though.

We have Deborah, who led Israel to a mighty victory (and Jael, who delivered the fatal blow to their enemy), there's Rahab, Tamar, Noadiah, Huldah all women who were willing to make a stand against unrighteousness.

And, as you so correctly pointed out, many women were disciples of Jesus and hard workers in the early church as well.

Without knowing it, handy has kind of taken words out of my mouth. :)
 
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Genesis 1:27).

"Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created" (Genesis 5:2).

It is interesting to note that God called both male and female, "Adam" in the day they were created. Adam means "man." Adam and Eve were created with God-ordained differences from each other, but together they made a full "man," or a complete picture of God Himself. There was perfection in their union. Their differences were not a source of discord or inequality, but a beautiful compliment to each other. Together, God gave them the task of overseeing and ruling His creation

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth" (Genesis 1:28).

Notice that God gave the above commission to them both. There is no hint that there was anything but equal authority between man and woman as they existed in a sinless state.

Pheobe (Romans 16:1-2): This woman was a deaconess of the church in Cenchrea, who was beloved of Paul and many other Christians for the help she gave to them. She filled an important position of leadership. It would be a difficult stretch of the imagination to say that this woman fulfilled her duties without ever speaking in the church!

Priscilla (Acts 18:26): Priscilla and her husband Aquila are often mentioned with great respect by Paul. Together they were pastors of a church in Ephesus, and were responsible for teaching the full gospel to Apollos. We are informed that they both taught Apollos, and pastored the church together. In fact, Priscilla is sometimes listed ahead of Aquila when their names come up. This has led some to speculate that of the two, she was the primary teacher and her husband oversaw the ministry. At any rate, we see here a woman in a very prominent position of teaching and pastoring. (Other references to Priscilla and Aquila are Acts 18:2, 18; Romans 16:3, and I Corinthians 16:19).

Euodia and Syntyche (Philippians 4:2-3): Here we see reference to two women who were "true yokefellow" and who labored with Paul in the advancement of the gospel.

Junia (Romans 16:7): In this verse we see Paul sending greetings to Andronicus and Junia, his "fellow-prisoners" who are of note among the apostles. Junia is a woman's name. In some modern translations, an "s" has been added (Junias) because the translators were so sure a woman could not be an apostle, that they assumed a copyist has accidentally dropped the "s." However the proper male ending would have been "ius," not "ias." No church commentator earlier than the Middle Ages questioned that Junia was both a woman and an apostle.

Though there were other women throughout the Bible in positions of leadership, such as prophetesses, evangelists, judges, leaders, etc., the above references should be enough to establish that women were indeed a vital and normal part of church leadership.
 
I think that in the early Church, women were treated more equally than ever before and (sadly) since. The general oppression of women by men throughout all the cultures back then wormed it's way into the church until we got to the point where women were just as oppressed in the church as out in the world. I highly doubt this was ever God's plan.

I'm not in agreement with women being the highest authority within the church...but I do think that they should be very much involved in the vital functions of the church. It certainly seems as if they were in Paul's day.
 
1 Corinthians 11.3 says that 'the head of Christ is God'.

Philippians 2.6 says that 'Christ Jesus, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God'.

So regarding the Lord Jesus, equality with God, and His relationship with His Father as His head, are complementary, not contradictory. I think it can be helpful to take this into account.
 
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Genesis 1:27)."Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created" (Genesis 5:2).It is interesting to note that God called both male and female, "Adam" in the day they were created. Adam means "man." Adam and Eve were created with God-ordained differences from each other, but together they made a full "man," or a complete picture of God Himself. There was perfection in their union. Their differences were not a source of discord or inequality, but a beautiful compliment to each other. Together, God gave them the task of overseeing and ruling His creation"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth" (Genesis 1:28).Notice that God gave the above commission to them both. There is no hint that there was anything but equal authority between man and woman as they existed in a sinless state. Pheobe (Romans 16:1-2): This woman was a deaconess of the church in Cenchrea, who was beloved of Paul and many other Christians for the help she gave to them. She filled an important position of leadership. It would be a difficult stretch of the imagination to say that this woman fulfilled her duties without ever speaking in the church!Priscilla (Acts 18:26): Priscilla and her husband Aquila are often mentioned with great respect by Paul. Together they were pastors of a church in Ephesus, and were responsible for teaching the full gospel to Apollos. We are informed that they both taught Apollos, and pastored the church together. In fact, Priscilla is sometimes listed ahead of Aquila when their names come up. This has led some to speculate that of the two, she was the primary teacher and her husband oversaw the ministry. At any rate, we see here a woman in a very prominent position of teaching and pastoring. (Other references to Priscilla and Aquila are Acts 18:2, 18; Romans 16:3, and I Corinthians 16:19).Euodia and Syntyche (Philippians 4:2-3): Here we see reference to two women who were "true yokefellow" and who labored with Paul in the advancement of the gospel.Junia (Romans 16:7): In this verse we see Paul sending greetings to Andronicus and Junia, his "fellow-prisoners" who are of note among the apostles. Junia is a woman's name. In some modern translations, an "s" has been added (Junias) because the translators were so sure a woman could not be an apostle, that they assumed a copyist has accidentally dropped the "s." However the proper male ending would have been "ius," not "ias." No church commentator earlier than the Middle Ages questioned that Junia was both a woman and an apostle.Though there were other women throughout the Bible in positions of leadership, such as prophetesses, evangelists, judges, leaders, etc., the above references should be enough to establish that women were indeed a vital and normal part of church leadership.
How were you able to write such a termpaper withing the space of 5 minutes??? Incredible!!! Were you already waiting for this thread? Did you hack into my mind??? Interesting post. However those records are little compared tp what the guys did in the bible days. *****************************************Did you say equality? Equality in the OT between a woman and a man? :dunno :shrug :confused
 
So classik, why do you keep starting all those men/ women topics? Bad female cooks, virgins, irrelevance of women in churches...
You considering becoming a feminist? :cool
 
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