GodsGrace
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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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That Spirit can operate on several levels (IMHO). (Remember this)
The physical can have a spiritual hint inside it. If you mention physical kidneys, in one sense you just mentioned cleansing from sin. Toxins removed from the human body are like evil thoughts removed from our mind / spirit. Imagery is something abstract hidden in a a concrete example.
At creation the Spirit the Holy took a physical human body and made a living breathing soul. This soul had mind will emotions.
Body plus life is more physical
At Pentecost (please do not freak everyone), sons and daughters had a quickening spirit / Holy Spirit enter their hearts and minds (spiritual made present). These had spiritual gifts become active in their lives.
Everyone human has physical symbols of God inside their physical being, but the spiritual reality of Christ in us is a spiritual reality that did not happen at Eden.
First the physical then the spiritual.
I can hear the screams.
eddif
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
I don't hear any screams Eddif.
God made us to be very much like Him.
He gave us many attributes HE has.
One can only make a copy of one's self.
He can think.
We can think.
He is social.
We are social.
He can create.
We can "create".
He is Love.
We need love.
There's more that I can't think of right now.
We seek justice, HE IS JUSTICE.
And so forth.
P.S. We also have a need inside us for the one who made us. A need for the Holy Spirit to make our God Qualities be more God-like. But, alas, many deny this and are not a Whole human being. Jesus taught man to be a Whole human being.
Wonder on it a spell, and I will get back to:
The Kingdom.
Which is why I posted all this stuff.
Hidden in all the physical kingdoms, are hints about the spiritual - whose builder and maker is God.
eddif
Yes but after the fall:
We think we are #1
Our socialization tends toward perversion
We tend to make bombs to remove places.
Our love tends toward us.
Our justice tends toward get even.
Our carnal thoughts are not evil continually (a flood took care of that). The natural we is not very spiritual:
Romans 7:25
The new inner mind of man is doing better, through believing in what Christ Jesus did.
The Kingdom is more abstract (with good physical being an offshoot of the spiritual).
A lot of favorite kingdom discussion is about a physical kingdom with some spiritual thoughts (allowed by a new external kingdom). Now you really have to be super honest. He works in us to do his will. If we do good it is not us but Christ working in us.
Let me shut up.
Go back to your view of the New Jerusalem.
eddif
Angel Water
Member
I would say that in Genesis, the beginning of ourselves, when God breathed into the Adam and he became a living soul, that that happening when God made us in the holy spirits image and likeness, made it so that we are never separated from God.
The path to Christ as I have lived it is to find our way to that fact. To trust and believe we are more than we see in the mirror. More than we think. More than we let our emotions make us feel, the bad, the wicked feelings, the anger, anything but love, forgiveness and compassion. Because those good emotions, feelings, spiritual harmonics that trigger our human rooted feelings, is , I believe, God's breath breathing life into the memory of where we come from.
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Eddif,
I agree with all of the above.
I must tell you that you speak of the New Jerusalem and I'm not sure what you mean.
I know close to nothing of escatology.
I'm not sure when the New Jerusalem happens, or is.
The Kingdom of God is NOW.
Angel Water
Member
Praise the Lord, YES!
John 14:16 KJV
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
We may believe close to the same thing. I think the day of Pentecost started the New Jerusalem. New Herusalem is the inner work of God. Abraham sought a city whose builder and maker was God. Since he made us with imagery in place, it fits pretty well. Christ in us makes his light inside us. Since Christ's quickening spirit is in us.
Coming down out of heaven:
He ascended to heaven and sent the Holy Spirit down to be in us.
We are a city in a land foreign to God. We have the spiritual gospel they need. Persecution comes to us.
More hopefully later.
eddif
Hebrews 11:8 KJV
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker isGod.
Abraham is not the only faith person of Hebrews chapter 11, but the comments here show he was looking for a spiritual city. The original post of this thread uses Matthew 5 and 6 to define a city. Not a city whose location is defined by its relationship to mountains, rivers, and physical geology, but a city defined by attitudes, thoughts relating us to God. A city like this web site that has members living together even though they live states apart. I do not have to travel to Israel to a physical Jerusalem, but can be united with the members of the one new man that live in that physical area.
People who talk like this seem strange. I found out years ago that a spiritual Jerusalem seems strange to some. Gentiles welcome in this New Jerusalem seem out of place to some. Peter had a very active vision to get him to go see Cornelius. A vision that upset his box of belief.
The only way to understand our New Jerusalem is strange to many. Is there a physical Jerusalem? Absolutely. Is there a New Jerusalem? Absolutely. Can I force the issue? I had rather not force issues.
Mississippi redneck ((undefined borders)
eddif
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker isGod.
Abraham is not the only faith person of Hebrews chapter 11, but the comments here show he was looking for a spiritual city. The original post of this thread uses Matthew 5 and 6 to define a city. Not a city whose location is defined by its relationship to mountains, rivers, and physical geology, but a city defined by attitudes, thoughts relating us to God. A city like this web site that has members living together even though they live states apart. I do not have to travel to Israel to a physical Jerusalem, but can be united with the members of the one new man that live in that physical area.
People who talk like this seem strange. I found out years ago that a spiritual Jerusalem seems strange to some. Gentiles welcome in this New Jerusalem seem out of place to some. Peter had a very active vision to get him to go see Cornelius. A vision that upset his box of belief.
The only way to understand our New Jerusalem is strange to many. Is there a physical Jerusalem? Absolutely. Is there a New Jerusalem? Absolutely. Can I force the issue? I had rather not force issues.
Mississippi redneck ((undefined borders)
eddif
JohnDB
Member
Psalms 24:1
1 Corinthians 10:26
The Earth is God's.
God is Sovereign. Although man may appear to be in charge and running the place...but mankind's rule of the Earth is temporary...God, by far comparison, is going to rule eternally and will not allow sin.
Revelations 11:18-19
So this whole Earth is temporary...not going to last.
Revelations 21:1
It will be all over at that point except for the crying.
Matthew 22:13
Sooooo
If the true, permanent King comes along incognito with some of His Loyal subjects and wanders about while the "stewards" were in charge....how would the real King talk about the "Stewards"?
1 Corinthians 10:26
The Earth is God's.
God is Sovereign. Although man may appear to be in charge and running the place...but mankind's rule of the Earth is temporary...God, by far comparison, is going to rule eternally and will not allow sin.
Revelations 11:18-19
So this whole Earth is temporary...not going to last.
Revelations 21:1
It will be all over at that point except for the crying.
Matthew 22:13
Sooooo
If the true, permanent King comes along incognito with some of His Loyal subjects and wanders about while the "stewards" were in charge....how would the real King talk about the "Stewards"?
JohnDB
Member
I thought that I just did. Jesus is God... ALL authority in Heaven and Earth has been given to Him.
Matthew 28:18
I'm confused. Jesus is the King of Kings.
But when running about without the appearance of wealth and Power and Authority...He was incognito.
th1b.taylor
Member
The New Jerusalem you want to understand is found in Revelation 21:2, Fran and you, I, my best half and many others will have a room of our own. Measure the distance from downtown Houston, Texas to downtown L.A. Calif. and any one side of and the height of it are that measure of it. Some believe it is a cube and others believe it is a pyramid shape. Me? I don't care, Jesus has my room ready for this ole boy's arrival and that is what matters.
Don't be confused.
After an individual has spent decades on a subject, a clear picture may exist in their mind. To transfer this picture it may take 6 pages of information for some to get a view.
If it is ok I might ask another question or two before responding.
eddif
JohnDB
Member
Asking questions is fine. The stuff I posted answering your question was stuff I thought everyone already knew. I forget to explain stuff that I think everyone knows and it's why I usually make a lousy teacher.
stovebolts
Member
Not that I want a lengthy discussion, so I'll post my say and move on with the matter. It is your choice with what you do with my words.
You are forgetting that King Cyrus was sent by God, to do Gods will and for his time pushed the greatest human rights campaign known of. Yet he was devoted to Murdock. Never the less Isaiah has much to say to his esteem.
Mardok.the decree,but not teaching men.
This thread is a learning experience for me.
Matthew 7:22 KJV
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The works of the law carry benefits in the physical life, but works do not give eternal life.
The inner man must be born again.
Difference between inner kingdom and outer kingdom?.
Spiritual kingdoms?:
Abraham's bosom
Paradise
Heaven
True church
Individual with Christ inside
Out of Heaven?:
New Jerusalem
Holy Spirit (sent)
One Godhead
eddif
Matthew 7:22 KJV
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The works of the law carry benefits in the physical life, but works do not give eternal life.
The inner man must be born again.
Difference between inner kingdom and outer kingdom?.
Spiritual kingdoms?:
Abraham's bosom
Paradise
Heaven
True church
Individual with Christ inside
Out of Heaven?:
New Jerusalem
Holy Spirit (sent)
One Godhead
eddif
And others of us believe The New Jerusalem is the souls that make up the essence of the people of God. I believe it is, in no way, any sort of "structure" plopped down somewhere on the Earth, and that we each have a little cubicle there, in which to exist. (Kinda sounds like The Matrix.)
As I was reading about the tail of the dragon sweeping away a third of the stars...... I noticed one man's comment about that scene: That, as he justly remarked, “is theology, not astronomy.”