Bible Study The Knowledge Of Good And Evil

[Soul man]

The Born again believer at spiritual birth is basically left with the knowledge Adam and Eve recieved in the garden.
"The knowledge of good and evil," that knowledge, as mentioned before is a mind controller and does not relinquish it's ways easily.
Hence the born again believer is admonished to get his/her mind renewed.
For the born-again believer the mind functions either by the knowledge of good and evil or it functions by grace (revelation) knowledge from the HolySpirit.
The importance of "Christ in you" knowledge cannot be expressed enough at this point.
It takes this mind to be compatible with the "Christ in you" life-nature.
This is what Paul calls "the mind of Christ."
When the mind receives revelation it becomes compatible with your new nature.
Revelation cannot be controlled, one of the main reasons Paul uses the word "yield" is because at this point you have to "allow" the Holy Spirit to teach you Christ.
I have been asked many times about the teaching of man, at this point no man can teach you Christ, only the HolySpirit can teach you Christ.
Grace knowledge eliminates any need for control.
Have you ever noticed if you start to get a little revelation religion will rear its ugly head to try to stop it, because revelation cannot be controlled.
Religion will stop anything it cannot control.
Most believers at first are prone to reject revelation because it is not a mind controllable knowledge.
Paul calls revelation, the hidden wisdom of God, 1 Cor. 2:6-7,
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

This wisdom (revelation) has been ordained by God before the foundation of the world, for you.

 

[Edward]

Have you ever noticed if you start to get a little revelation religion will rear its ugly head to try to stop it, because revelation cannot be controlled.

Oh yes, I see that a lot. It's almost predictable. The truth is dangerous so they attack it immediately. Where's your scripture, man hasn't been saying that down through the ages, quit talking heresy you false prophet you! There's a zillion cliches that they love to use to shut people down when they're on a roll with the truth...

All we can do is to thank God, hold our tongue and say what needs to be said. Then when people read it, the seed is planted and the Holy Spirit can come water it for them.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I commend you on your handling of this, very, touchy subject. I am, incorrectly, known as a Nay Sayer because I have a Life that is rooted in Mal. 3:6a. God never, never, changes and all revelation must never contradict the written scripture.

 

[Jim Parker]

Hence the born again believer is admonished to get his/her mind renewed.

Yes.
Adam and Eve were not created to "know good and evil." They were created to know God.

 

[Corn Pop]

As as soon as the first command come they had knowledge of good and evil, even before they eat from the tree. If I dont eat from the tree good. If I eat from the tree bad. Make a decision.

 

[Jim Parker]

As as soon as the first command come they had knowledge of good and evil, even before they eat from the tree. If I dont eat from the tree good. If I eat from the tree bad. Make a decision.

I believe you are in error.
Before they ate from that tree, they only knew knew God who is good and His creation (specifically, the garden paradise) which was also good.
Prior to eating of that tree, they had absolutely no experience of, and, therefore, no knowledge of, evil.

Yes, they had free will but free will is not evil; it is part of the image and likeness of God.

iakov the fool

 

[ezrider]

Yes.
Adam and Eve were not created to "know good and evil." They were created to know God.

I agree, but to take it a step further. They were created in the image of God, and they were perfect in the day he created them. He created man with a human nature. The human nature complete with lusts, and passions, desires and hunger. Perfect in Faith before the Lord. What they were not created with was the knowledge of good and evil. In fact, by faith they could eat of any tree that was in the garden; except they were commanded to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It was the knowledge of the Law, the knowledge of good and evil that corrupted their perfect faith before the Lord. Lust is not evil, except the law declare it evil. Foods are not unclean except a law declares them to be unclean. But Adam was told he could eat of every tree in the garden, except for the unclean one: the knowledge of good and evil.

Sin, the knowledge of evil. Lust is a sin, envy is a sin, eating pork? Murder, rape, homosexuality, theft, oh, and lets not leave out hatred. Sin: Human nature enlightened by the knowledge of good and evil according to the flesh. The knowledge of all those sins cause us to seek a covering to hide from the Lord as did Adam in his day; But it also has a more detrimental effect. The knowledge of good and evil as defined by the law not only causes us to seek a covering for our own sins, but it invites the Spirit of the Accuser, the old Serpent into your hearts to begin rising up in judgement over one another. One has to look no further than the CE&P forum right here at CF.net to see the evidence. The man of sin sitting in the temple of God, showing himself that he is god.

But all those sins of the human nature kind, why Jesus said they have ALL been forgiven unto man. But there is one sin the remains that shall not be forgiven unto man.

I do not look upon the Law for the knowledge of Sin and the knowledge of evil. I have been called to walk by Faith, the way that my creator formed me. He has closed my eyes to sin, so that I might look upon my Sin; But you can seek no more covering for your sins, if you wish to look upon your Sin.



Soul man, I'm not going to barge into your thread, and sometimes I get the feeling my comments aren't all that welcome, so I will make no more comments in this thread. But if I could leave you with something to consider, perhaps for a different thread, or maybe you will find it fits in with your OP.

Before Adam ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, it was said he walked with the Lord in the cool of the morning. Now the cool of the morning is also the time that the dew distills upon the tender herbs. Now when it comes to the latter rain, it is written that my doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distill as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass. How does one still themselves to walk with the Lord in the cool or the morning and receive the dew of His Word? And how do you reach those who call themselves Christians, but are overtaken with the spirit of the accuser, and would rather stand in the midst of a hurricane or a burning fire shouting over one another and accusing others daily?

The Lord wasn't in the Fire, He wasn't in the Earthquake, nor was He in the Mighty Wind; but He was found in the still small voice, as the dew upon the tender herb.

 

[Corn Pop]

I believe you are in error.
Before they ate from that tree, they only knew knew God who is good and His creation (specifically, the garden paradise) which was also good.
Prior to eating of that tree, they had absolutely no experience of, and, therefore, no knowledge of, evil.

Yes, they had free will but free will is not evil; it is part of the image and likeness of God.

iakov the fool

But if they knew eating from the tree was forbiden then they knew what sin against God was. Eating from the tree is disobediance, so they knew right from wrong, good and evil.

Eve questioned the serpant so she knew knowledge of good and evil before she even eat because it was in her conscience. She tried to justify the temptation, god didnt really mean it.

 

[Jim Parker]

They were created in the image of God, and they were perfect in the day he created them. He created man with a human nature. The human nature complete with lusts, and passions,

The image and likeness of God has no "lusts and passions."
Lusts and passions are the result of sin.

It was the knowledge of the Law, the knowledge of good and evil that corrupted their perfect faith before the Lord

There was no Law at the time of Adam and eve.
The knowledge of good and evil is not the equivalent of the Law.

Lust is not evil

Lust is evil. It is the result of the flesh having control of the person rather than the mind.
Rom 7:25b "So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin."

Lust is a sin

You just said that lust is not evil. Since "the wages of sin is death", and "lust is sin" then lust is evil.

 

[Jim Parker]

But if they knew eating from the tree was forbiden then they knew what sin against God was. Eating from the tree is disobediance, so they knew right from wrong, good and evil.

The did not know what sin is.
They did not truly make a free will choice but they were deceived by the devil who lied to them.
They were easily deceived by the lie because they had never heard a lie before. Their communication was with God who does not lie.
It was no more a free will choice than it would be to deceive a 4-year-old into doing something his mommy told him not to do.

Eve questioned the serpant so she knew knowledge of good and evil

She had exactly ZERO experience of evil and, knowing only God, there is no reason to suppose that she would have any idea of what evil might be.

She tried to justify the temptation, god didnt really mean it.

She did not. That was what the serpent told her. And since she had no idea of what a lie is, she was deceived.

 

[for_his_glory]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

In the beginning was truth, goodness and life and then came along mayhem that tried to build a tower and people loved the mayhem because that made them feel good like they were their own gods and the people rejoiced in their mayhem. Mayhem can not die and will always be after those who have no knowledge of what is Gods goodness and favor for it deceives the mind of man and leads them astray. Mayhem also has a name called religion that loves to put the lack of knowledge people under bondage. Hosea 4:6, 7

 

[Douglas Summers]

Have you ever noticed if you start to get a little revelation religion will rear its ugly head to try to stop it, because revelation cannot be controlled.

Hi Soul man, What kind of revelation are you talking about? For there is nothing new to be revealed. (John 19:28-30) Christ has revealed all that the Church needs.(Rev. 1:1-8)..unless you are talking about the born again believer being enlightened or reveled to their gifts given through the Holy Spirit of our calling and election. What I'am saying is, there is no new revelations to be revealed to the Church above what Christ prophesied or taught or what was given to the Disciples by the Holy Spirit that was sent by the Father and given to them (John 16:12-15). If you think there is....what would it be?

 

[Soul man]

Hi Soul man, What kind of revelation are you talking about? For there is nothing new to be revealed. (John 19:28-30) Christ has revealed all that the Church needs.(Rev. 1:1-8)..unless you are talking about the born again believer being enlightened or reveled to their gifts given through the Holy Spirit of our calling and election. What I'am saying is, there is no new revelations to be revealed to the Church above what Christ prophesied or taught or what was given to the Disciples by the Holy Spirit that was sent by the Father and given to them (John 16:12-15). If you think there is....what would it be?

Nothing new under the sun. New light on the scriptures, have you ever read a verse or passage and had new light shed on it.
Your understanding changes, growth in grace and knowledge (revelation).
Ultimately we are talking about "the revelation of Jesus Christ," Gal. 1:11-12,
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Christ revealed in the believer as their only life, Gal. 1:15-16,
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Gal. 2:20,
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

 

[Cygnus]

But if they knew eating from the tree was forbiden then they knew what sin against God was. Eating from the tree is disobediance, so they knew right from wrong, good and evil.

Eve questioned the serpant so she knew knowledge of good and evil before she even eat because it was in her conscience. She tried to justify the temptation, god didnt really mean it.

Maybe....but,

As adults we know a candle flame is hot and can burn us. We've experienced it. On the other hand a youg child doesn't.
A parent may tell the young child... "don't touch the flame or else you'll get burnt". The young child doesn't know what getting burnt really is. They can't even conceive what it feels like. All they know is their parent said don't touch it and they won't like the experience.

God said...don't eat from that tree...or else. Adam and Eve didn't have a clue as to what the or else was....until they experienced it.

 

[th1b.taylor]

The did not know what sin is.
They did not truly make a free will choice but they were deceived by the devil who lied to them.
They were easily deceived by the lie because they had never heard a lie before. Their communication was with God who does not lie.
It was no more a free will choice than it would be to deceive a 4-year-old into doing something his mommy told him not to do.

She had exactly ZERO experience of evil and, knowing only God, there is no reason to suppose that she would have any idea of what evil might be.

She did not. That was what the serpent told her. And since she had no idea of what a lie is, she was deceived.

Let's see, sin came into the World when Adam sinned. Adam, not Eve! Why and how could this be?

Have you ever lined 10 or 15 people up, shoulder to shoulder and whispered a few unrelated related sentences into the ear of the first and directed him or her to whisper it to the next person?

This takes only a couple of minutes, a few seconds with each person but when the last person recountswhat they were told, oh, be sure to read it to them from a three by five card because what you spoke will be nowhere like what the end product is and it will often become a complete story, all tied together.

 

[Cygnus]

Let's see, sin came into the World when Adam sinned. Adam, not Eve! Why and how could this be?

Perhaps you addressed it..but how does that tie in with

1 Tim 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I didn't finish.

¿Adam received the Command and after an unknown period of time, passed it on to Eve?

Did he? Did he, actually remember the command from God and did not add nor delete from it? I believe not likely!

 

[th1b.taylor]

Perhaps you addressed it..but how does that tie in with

1 Tim 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

That is one way of seeing it but I still contend that sin did not enter into the world until she deceived Adam.

 

[Edward]

Nothing new under the sun. New light on the scriptures, have you ever read a verse or passage and had new light shed on it.
Your understanding changes, growth in grace and knowledge (revelation).
Ultimately we are talking about "the revelation of Jesus Christ," Gal. 1:11-12,
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Christ revealed in the believer as their only life, Gal. 1:15-16,
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Gal. 2:20,
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Yep. That's what He does. There is nothing new under the sun, but all people do not know all things, so sometimes when the Lord gives one a revelation...it's not new, but it could be new for that individual believer because they hadn't realized that before. Then sometimes they get on the net and say, hey the Lord revealed something to me...and it may scare some people because they think the believer is claiming to have new non-scriptural knowledge of God, and it might even be non-scriptural, but it wont disagree with any scripture.
Does that make sense?

 

[Soul man]

Yes

Yep. That's what He does. There is nothing new under the sun, but all people do not know all things, so sometimes when the Lord gives one a revelation...it's not new, but it could be new for that individual believer because they hadn't realized that before. Then sometimes they get on the net and say, hey the Lord revealed something to me...and it may scare some people because they think the believer is claiming to have new non-scriptural knowledge of God, and it might even be non-scriptural, but it wont disagree with any scripture.
Does that make sense?

Yes the word is a light and lamp to our feet. New light will come to you from time to time as you study.
We start as babies and grow spiritually into more maturity.
There is one train of thought among some believers that, it is Christ growing in us, but we recieved the complete Christ at the new birth. It is our minds that take on understanding, knowledge, revelation, as we seek the things of God.
We are complete as we will ever be in spirit, it is the mind that has some catching up to do.
This is where Christians can get tripped up if they do not divide spirit, soul, and body.
There are alot of scriptures that Will make absolutely no since, even seem to contradict themselves if dividing is not applied.
Then all 66 books must be rightly divided.