You're the one playing games. You obviously have a passage in mind, why don't you just post it. To be honest I don't know of anywhere in the Gospels where Jesus names the final destination for all nonbelievers.
And just for the record, I was having this discussion with Kathi before you jumped in and decided to take control.
You want me to leave the discussion...........I'm gone.
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Well, I thought that would get you to at least attempt to do some actual searching. Honestly, I don't know how someone can get into a discussion on what hell is or what the final destination of the unrighteous is, without knowing what the one person who mentioned it all the most had to say about it. Hence my question.
What Jesus had to say (all ESV):
Mat 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.
Mat 23:33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?
Mar 9:43 And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.
Mar 9:45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell.
Mar 9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell,
Mar 9:48 'where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.'
"Hell" here is the Greek word
gehenna. Every strong warning that Jesus gives of punishment in "hell" is a translation of
gehenna. Notice that in these passages it is clear that
gehenna is the final place of the unrighteous.
Contrast that with the Greek word
Hades, which is what the NT writers used in place of the OT Hebrew word
Sheol:
Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
Jesus uses
Hades only two other times, none of which are in regard to the final place of the unrighteous. Looking at the rest of the NT,
Hades is used only six more times:
Act 2:27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption. (Note that this is a quote of Psalms 16:10, For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol, or let your holy one see corruption.)
Sheol is simply the grave, the place the dead go to await the resurrection.
Act 2:31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.
Rev 1:18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.
And most importantly:
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Clearly then, it is Hades, the grave, which is thrown into the lake of fire. And since Jesus said that
gehenna, a place of fire, was the final place of the unrighteous, and Revelations says that the lake of fire is the final place of the unrighteous, we can logically conclude that
gehenna is the lake of fire, and
gehenna is actually Hell proper. It is
not hell that is thrown into the lake of fire. That is a mistake started, as far as I know, by the KJV and perpetuated by a few translations. Really, we should just do away with the word "hell" but if one is going to use it, they had best understand that it most likely refers to the lake of fire.
