Bible Study The Law Is a Prison

[Soma-Sight]

Now that we live in the New Covenant, we are cursed if we go back to observing the law.

Boy I wouldnt trust you with my wife and rolex thats for sure.......

I think a better way to put this is.....

Now that I am FREE from prison after raping two girls I am CURSED if I go back to adhering to no - rape laws....

 

[Soma-Sight]

James 1:23 "For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed".

I wonder.....how many people, who claim to be Christians, understand that the 'Perfect Law of Liberty' is...the 10 commandments, as found in Exodus 20:3-17 ?

How many people understand that the 10 commandments, is solely for the purpose of revealing, where a person is...spiritually ?

Thats DEEP man, good post. Not only does it relate to believers, it evens goes as far as judging non - believers at the same for a fair system.....

 

[Jay T]

Now that we live in the New Covenant, we are cursed if we go back to observing the law.

Boy I wouldnt trust you with my wife and rolex thats for sure.......

I think a better way to put this is.....

Now that I am FREE from prison after raping two girls I am CURSED if I go back to adhering to no - rape laws....

It must be remembered that in the last days...men will cal righteousness evil, and evil righteousness (Isaiah 5:20).

 

[Bob10]

are Christians "under the law"


http://garnertedarmstrong.ws/pubs/UnderLaw.htm

 

[SputnikBoy]

are Christians "under the law"


http://garnertedarmstrong.ws/pubs/UnderLaw.htm

Sputnik: How many of us keep the law of the land? Most of us do for the most part and we don't need to keep referring to the Law Manual. 'Doing right' is 'written on our hearts', so to speak. We also have a conscience that basically keeps us in check regarding 'doing wrong', even though we don't always listen. Generally speaking, the law of the land is pretty easy to keep. It really isn't a burden to us even though some like to rebel at times. So, being a law-abiding citizen is not regarded as 'being imprisoned'.

I don't think we need to get into scriptural semantics as much as we seem to do on these forums. Christianity is basically a 'simple' practice. One's being a Christian will result in their being obedient to the law whether some believe that 'keeping' the law is necessary or not. I really don't know why this discussion about whether or not we NEED to be obedient persists. As long as we claim to follow Jesus we WILL be obedient. At least, we will make the effort even though we'll fall at times. I have no idea why this is so difficult for some to comprehend.

 

[Jay T]

[I don't think we need to get into scriptural semantics as much as we seem to do on these forums. Christianity is basically a 'simple' practice. One's being a Christian will result in their being obedient to the law whether some believe that 'keeping' the law is necessary or not.

I really don't know why this discussion about whether or not we NEED to be obedient persists.

The Law of God is the measuring line, as to where a person is, in their spiritual life.
If they have the truth of God, they obey God's Laws (Isaiah 8:20).

Those that will not obey God's Commandments....know not Jesus Christ: 1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

As long as we claim to follow Jesus we WILL be obedient.

Only those who ...LOVE...Jesus Christ, will keep all 10 commandments, (Exodus 20:3-17).

I have no idea why this is so difficult for some to comprehend.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

 

[quadding101]

Paul made the statement (the law could save no one). What laws pertain to the salvation of someone? This the the part of the law that was done away with. Some of the law was changed (example- in the old God said , do not commit adultery, but in the new God said , If u lust after in ur heart u commit adultery). and some of the law should have never been (example- because of the hardness of ur hearts moses allow u to divorce).
Paul did this when he was talking about divorce but as least he makes it plain by saying , it was his saying and not God's saying. God has laws that we r to follow, the 1/3 of angels found out the hard way that God will never compromise His law. The bible says that when we stand before God the books will be open. What books? It is no great deduction that they will be the book of life and the bible. Why the bible? we will be judged by the bible. When God makes a statement in the bible like, All liars will have their part in hell, do not assume that because u have accepted Jesus and been baptised that, all liars will have their part in hell, no longer applys to u. God will rule by His law and we will obey or we will be found in the torments of hell. God makes a way to say no to sin but we must let God have His way in our hearts and life to work that perfect work so we can go to His kingdom and never rebel nor sin, for He will allow no sin to enter His kingdom. At best man is number 3 on God's priority list, God's law is number 1 and He will never compromise His law, u will go to hell before God compromises His law. God's will is second on His priority list, it is a requirment to have God and go to His kingdom. (He that does not tale up his cross and follow Jesus is not worthy of Jesus). God's will for Jesus was the cross and the cross is God's will for our lives. It is all about obedience and responsibility.

 

[Jay T]

are Christians "under the law"

True Christians ...no !
The Christian world....YES !

As Bob and I know....those who keep all the commandments of God...CANNOT...be 'under the Law'.

And, the proper understanding of Romans 3:19 ...tells us the to be 'under the Law', means one ...is guilty....before God.

 

[ddubsolo85]

The law is not the Old Covenant!

The point everyone seems to be missing (or ignoring) is the fact that the law IS NOT the Old Covenant! The law was added to the Old Covenant.

Also, there is nothing in the Bible that states we're currently under the New Covenant, or that the New Covenant is even offered to Gentiles.

Why is this fact being summarily ignored by Christianity and Christians???

God Bless!

 

[SputnikBoy]

Re: The law is not the Old Covenant!

The point everyone seems to be missing (or ignoring) is the fact that the law IS NOT the Old Covenant! The law was added to the Old Covenant.

Also, there is nothing in the Bible that states we're currently under the New Covenant, or that the New Covenant is even offered to Gentiles.

Why is this fact being summarily ignored by Christianity and Christians???

God Bless!

Sputnik: Could you expand or elaborate on this, ddub? Sounds interesting.

 

[ddubsolo85]

Sputnik: Could you expand or elaborate on this, ddub? Sounds interesting.

Sure, I'd love to elaborate. The law is not the Old Covenant, it is an addition to the Old Covenant.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.


Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.


Gal 3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions,...

The Old Covenant was a promise made to Abraham, and is not the law. We seem to confuse that fact quite often. Until we deal with this fact, we can't put the entire picture into proper perspective.

And again, if you look at all of the places where the New Covenant is mentioned in the Bible, you won't find anywhere in which it mentions that the New Covenant is for Gentiles. Therefore, why are we claiming to be under the New Covenant? We have grace, and grace came under the Old Covenant.

God Bless!

 

[Jay T]

Re: The law is not the Old Covenant!

The point everyone seems to be missing (or ignoring) is the fact that the law IS NOT the Old Covenant! The law was added to the Old Covenant.

Also, there is nothing in the Bible that states we're currently under the New Covenant, or that the New Covenant is even offered to Gentiles.

Why is this fact being summarily ignored by Christianity and Christians???

First Biblical principle to realize and ...REMEMBER is....Satan is at WAR...with God's 10 commandments and those people who keep them, meaning born-again Christians (Revelation 12:17).

The New covenant is for Israel (Spiritual) only (Hebrews 8:8-10).
And to come under the New Covenant, one must be born-again, into 'spiritual Israel' (Romans 2:29).... "But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God".

 

[Jay T]

Re: The law is not the Old Covenant!

The point everyone seems to be missing (or ignoring) is the fact that the law IS NOT the Old Covenant! The law was added to the Old Covenant.

Also, there is nothing in the Bible that states we're currently under the New Covenant, or that the New Covenant is even offered to Gentiles.

Why is this fact being summarily ignored by Christianity and Christians???

First Biblical principle to realize and ...REMEMBER is....Satan is at WAR...with God's 10 commandments and those people who keep them, meaning born-again Christians (Revelation 12:17).

The New covenant is for Israel (Spiritual) only (Hebrews 8:8-10).
And to come under the New Covenant, one must be born-again, into 'spiritual Israel' (Romans 2:29).... "But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God".

 

[ddubsolo85]

Spiritual Israel

First Biblical principle to realize and ...REMEMBER is....Satan is at WAR...with God's 10 commandments and those people who keep them, meaning born-again Christians (Revelation 12:17).

The New covenant is for Israel (Spiritual) only (Hebrews 8:8-10).

Correct. And all Israel (both spiritual and natural) are descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Gentiles, being descendants of Abraham alone, are excluded from this group known as Israel.

And to come under the New Covenant, one must be born-again, into 'spiritual Israel' (Romans 2:29).... "But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God".

According to the Bible, in order to come under the New Covenant, one must be a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. This would exclude all Gentiles. We can be spiritual Gentiles, but we can’t be Jews (spiritual or otherwise). The Bible never says that Gentiles become Jews. Abraham's seed? Yes. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob's seed? No.

What Romans 2:29 is discussing is one Jewish state vs. another Jewish state. For example, if I said, “All apples aren’t good apples. One is rotten, while another is not.â€Â

I would be speaking of apples, and oranges would be excluded from the discussion. It would be wrong for someone to then say that I included oranges in my statement. I believe that this is what is happening when we say that Gentiles are included in spiritual Israel. There is no biblical basis for the statement. A Jew is a Jew, and a Gentile is a Gentile. One never becomes the other, yet both can be in the same family.

Also, the Bible clearly states that we're under the covenant given to Abraham (Rom 3:25 amongst others).

I look forward to your response.

God Bless!

 

[ddubsolo85]

Spiritual Israel

First Biblical principle to realize and ...REMEMBER is....Satan is at WAR...with God's 10 commandments and those people who keep them, meaning born-again Christians (Revelation 12:17).

The New covenant is for Israel (Spiritual) only (Hebrews 8:8-10).

Correct. And all Israel (both spiritual and natural) are descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Gentiles, being descendants of Abraham alone, are excluded from this group known as Israel.

And to come under the New Covenant, one must be born-again, into 'spiritual Israel' (Romans 2:29).... "But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God".

According to the Bible, in order to come under the New Covenant, one must be a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. This would exclude all Gentiles. We can be spiritual Gentiles, but we can’t be Jews (spiritual or otherwise). The Bible never says that Gentiles become Jews. Abraham's seed? Yes. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob's seed? No.

What Romans 2:29 is discussing is one Jewish state vs. another Jewish state. For example, if I said, “All apples aren’t good apples. One is rotten, while another is not.â€Â

I would be speaking of apples, and oranges would be excluded from the discussion. It would be wrong for someone to then say that I included oranges in my statement. I believe that this is what is happening when we say that Gentiles are included in spiritual Israel. There is no biblical basis for the statement. A Jew is a Jew, and a Gentile is a Gentile. One never becomes the other, yet both can be in the same family.

Also, the Bible clearly states that we're under the covenant given to Abraham (Rom 3:25 amongst others).

I look forward to your response.

God Bless!

 

[ddubsolo85]

CORRECTION!!!

I listed Rom 3:25 as a proof text, but I meant Acts 3:25.

I apologize for the confusion.

God Bless!

 

[Jay T]

Now that we live in the New Covenant, we are cursed if we go back to observing the law.

One must know which Law is being refered to here.
Only the study of the Old Testament reveals such knowledge.

Those who know not the OT are in danger of misunderstand what Paul is talking about.....and will lead one to their own destruction !!!

 

[SputnikBoy]

Now that we live in the New Covenant, we are cursed if we go back to observing the law.

Sputnik: And the New Covenant IS ...? An explanation in plain English if you will, please, servant. There are those of us are not so theologically adept as others might be.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Now that we live in the New Covenant, we are cursed if we go back to observing the law.

Sputnik: So, since I choose not to kill or steal or commit adultery I'm to be cursed? A little harsh, don't you think? I can almost feel the prison bars enfolding me as I write.

 

[Ormly]

The Law is now embodied in a person. The creeds don't speak of it but the Bible does.

Orm