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Ormly said:
Sputnik: Whatever ...does that not mean that we still obey the Law?
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Sputnik: Whatever ...does that not mean that we still obey the Law?
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Jay T
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And the Bible informs us that true Christians ...keep all 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17).Ormly said:The Law is now embodied in a person. The creeds don't speak of it but the Bible does.
Orm
Why ?
Because they love Jesus Christ !
"IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).
And the Bible points out a people who do just the very thing......"Here is the patience of the saints...here are they that keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus", (Revelation 14:12).
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Jay T
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And the Bible informs us that true Christians ...keep all 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17).Ormly said:The Law is now embodied in a person. The creeds don't speak of it but the Bible does.
Orm
Why ?
Because they love Jesus Christ !
"IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).
And the Bible points out a people who do just the very thing......"Here is the patience of the saints...here are they that keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus", (Revelation 14:12).
J
Jay T
Guest
And the Bible informs us that true Christians ...keep all 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17).Ormly said:The Law is now embodied in a person. The creeds don't speak of it but the Bible does.
Orm
Why ?
Because they love Jesus Christ !
"IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).
And the Bible points out a people who do just the very thing......"Here is the patience of the saints...here are they that keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus", (Revelation 14:12).
J
Jay T
Guest
And the Bible informs us that true Christians ...keep all 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17).Ormly said:The Law is now embodied in a person. The creeds don't speak of it but the Bible does.
Orm
Why ?
Because they love Jesus Christ !
"IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).
And the Bible points out a people who do just the very thing......"Here is the patience of the saints...here are they that keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus", (Revelation 14:12).
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SputnikBoy
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SputnikBoy said:Ormly said:The Law is now embodied in a person. The creeds don't speak of it but the Bible does.
Orm
Sputnik: Orm, I know that you and others on this forum believe that the Law no longer exists. So, I have a couple of questions for all of you. Do you have to go out of your way NOT to keep the commandments in order not to be cursed? If not, does this mean that you therefore obey them? And, as long as you do, then why are we even debating this issue? Silly, isn't it?
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Jay T
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SputnikBoy said:SputnikBoy said:Ormly said:The Law is now embodied in a person. The creeds don't speak of it but the Bible does.
0/quote]This statement makes no sense in light of the very words Jesus spoke....."IF.. you love me, keep my commandments"(John 14:15).
If the Law was inbodied in a person (Jesus)...He would have merely said so.
BUT....the very fact that He said what He said brings to mind that belief in HIM...results, in keeping each and every one of the commandments.
Orm
Sputnik: Orm, I know that you and others on this forum believe that the Law no longer exists. So, I have a couple of questions for all of you. Do you have to go out of your way NOT to keep the commandments in order not to be cursed? If not, does this mean that you therefore obey them? And, as long as you do, then why are we even debating this issue? Silly, isn't it?
Those who fight the law of God are joining the enemy (satan), in rebellion, against God (Revelation 12:17).
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Jay T
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SputnikBoy said:SputnikBoy said:Ormly said:The Law is now embodied in a person. The creeds don't speak of it but the Bible does.
0/quote]This statement makes no sense in light of the very words Jesus spoke....."IF.. you love me, keep my commandments"(John 14:15).
If the Law was inbodied in a person (Jesus)...He would have merely said so.
BUT....the very fact that He said what He said brings to mind that belief in HIM...results, in keeping each and every one of the commandments.
Orm
Sputnik: Orm, I know that you and others on this forum believe that the Law no longer exists. So, I have a couple of questions for all of you. Do you have to go out of your way NOT to keep the commandments in order not to be cursed? If not, does this mean that you therefore obey them? And, as long as you do, then why are we even debating this issue? Silly, isn't it?
Those who fight the law of God are joining the enemy (satan), in rebellion, against God (Revelation 12:17).
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Jay T
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Keeping all 10 commandments....thru the power of God.....just like Jesus Christ did, as an example for us to follow.And the New Covenant IS ...?
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Jay T
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Keeping all 10 commandments....thru the power of God.....just like Jesus Christ did, as an example for us to follow.And the New Covenant IS ...?
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ddubsolo85
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And the New Covenant IS...?
Sputnik:
The New Covenant is a promise from God to the house of Israel regarding a future covenant in which He (God) will put His law in their hearts and minds, and they will not need teaching because they will know His law, from the least to the greatest.
Sputnik:
And the New Covenant IS ...? An explanation in plain English if you will, please, servant. There are those of us are not so theologically adept as others might be.
The New Covenant is a promise from God to the house of Israel regarding a future covenant in which He (God) will put His law in their hearts and minds, and they will not need teaching because they will know His law, from the least to the greatest.
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ddubsolo85
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servant_2000 wrote:
Two things.
First, the Bible doesn't say that we live in the New Covenant. That statement isn't present in the Bible.
Second, the law IS NOT the Old Covenant (Gal.3:17-19). They are two different things.
Now that we live in the New Covenant, we are cursed if we go back to observing the law.
Two things.
First, the Bible doesn't say that we live in the New Covenant. That statement isn't present in the Bible.
Second, the law IS NOT the Old Covenant (Gal.3:17-19). They are two different things.
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ddubsolo85
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Ormly wrote:
Thanks.
Could you please list the scripture that states the law is now embodied in a person in the way the New Covenant describes?The Law is now embodied in a person. The creeds don't speak of it but the Bible does.
Thanks.
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Ormly
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SputnikBoy said:SputnikBoy said:Ormly said:The Law is now embodied in a person. The creeds don't speak of it but the Bible does.
Orm
Sputnik: Orm, I know that you and others on this forum believe that the Law no longer exists. So, I have a couple of questions for all of you. Do you have to go out of your way NOT to keep the commandments in order not to be cursed? If not, does this mean that you therefore obey them? And, as long as you do, then why are we even debating this issue? Silly, isn't it?
Whoa! I didn't say the law no longer exists. What I did say is that it is now embodied in a Person. Learn the Person to understand the law. What was the greatest commandment in Deut. except Vs4 of Chap.6? God's chiefest complaint with the Israelites was that they didn't obey that one. Jesus repeats it to them in the gospels and then demonstrates it to them.
With that properly understood, we can love God and do as we please.
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SputnikBoy
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Sputnik: Orm, I know that you and others on this forum believe that the Law no longer exists. So, I have a couple of questions for all of you. Do you have to go out of your way NOT to keep the commandments in order not to be cursed? If not, does this mean that you therefore obey them? And, as long as you do, then why are we even debating this issue? Silly, isn't it?
Orm: Whoa! I didn't say the law no longer exists. What I did say is that it is now embodied in a Person. Learn the Person to understand the law. What was the greatest commandment in Deut. except Vs4 of Chap.6? God's chiefest complaint with the Israelites was that they didn't obey that one. Jesus repeats it to them in the gospels and then demonstrates it to them.
With that properly understood, we can love God and do as we please.
Sputnik: So, if I understand you correctly, as long as we love God with all our hearts and with all our souls and with all our strength, we can go out and rape, murder, debach and pilage to our heart's content? Could you clarify HOW we might best love God with heart, soul, and mind? Be more specific, Orm, since there might be novices reading this thread. Could it be, perhaps, that we demonstrate our love to God by obeying the first four commandments? Just a suggestion. :wink:
Orm: Whoa! I didn't say the law no longer exists. What I did say is that it is now embodied in a Person. Learn the Person to understand the law. What was the greatest commandment in Deut. except Vs4 of Chap.6? God's chiefest complaint with the Israelites was that they didn't obey that one. Jesus repeats it to them in the gospels and then demonstrates it to them.
With that properly understood, we can love God and do as we please.
Sputnik: So, if I understand you correctly, as long as we love God with all our hearts and with all our souls and with all our strength, we can go out and rape, murder, debach and pilage to our heart's content? Could you clarify HOW we might best love God with heart, soul, and mind? Be more specific, Orm, since there might be novices reading this thread. Could it be, perhaps, that we demonstrate our love to God by obeying the first four commandments? Just a suggestion. :wink:
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Ormly
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SputnikBoy said:Sputnik: Orm, I know that you and others on this forum believe that the Law no longer exists. So, I have a couple of questions for all of you. Do you have to go out of your way NOT to keep the commandments in order not to be cursed? If not, does this mean that you therefore obey them? And, as long as you do, then why are we even debating this issue? Silly, isn't it?
Orm: Whoa! I didn't say the law no longer exists. What I did say is that it is now embodied in a Person. Learn the Person to understand the law. What was the greatest commandment in Deut. except Vs4 of Chap.6? God's chiefest complaint with the Israelites was that they didn't obey that one. Jesus repeats it to them in the gospels and then demonstrates it to them.
With that properly understood, we can love God and do as we please.
Sputnik: So, if I understand you correctly, as long as we love God with all our hearts and with all our souls and with all our strength, we can go out and rape, murder, debach and pilage to our heart's content? Could you clarify HOW we might best love God with heart, soul, and mind? Be more specific, Orm, since there might be novices reading this thread. Could it be, perhaps, that we demonstrate our love to God by obeying the first four commandments? Just a suggestion. :wink:
How could you say you love God and then do those things?? If you love Him He will be the only one you will desire to please. A novice can see that. How you love Him is by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Do you have a revelation of Jesus Christ; are you born again? --- or just saved?
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SputnikBoy
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Sputnik: So, if I understand you correctly, as long as we love God with all our hearts and with all our souls and with all our strength, we can go out and rape, murder, debach and pilage to our heart's content? Could you clarify HOW we might best love God with heart, soul, and mind? Be more specific, Orm, since there might be novices reading this thread. Could it be, perhaps, that we demonstrate our love to God by obeying the first four commandments? Just a suggestion. :wink:[/quote]
Ormly: How could you say you love God and then do those things?? If you love Him He will be the only one you will desire to please. A novice can see that. How you love Him is by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Do you have a revelation of Jesus Christ; are you born again? --- or just saved?[/quote]
Sputnik: So, in other words, you really DO apply the principles of the Ten Commandments to your Christian walk? The novice should clearly see that this is what you are actually saying in a round-about manner. Your 'shyness' in regard to acknowledging that the commands of God still apply to Christians in a very REAL way seems to be somewhat a problem for you. I'm not sure why we SEEM to be in agreement ...and yet, we are evidently not. Then again, maybe you're right - perhaps I'm not born again ...merely saved.
Ormly: How could you say you love God and then do those things?? If you love Him He will be the only one you will desire to please. A novice can see that. How you love Him is by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Do you have a revelation of Jesus Christ; are you born again? --- or just saved?[/quote]
Sputnik: So, in other words, you really DO apply the principles of the Ten Commandments to your Christian walk? The novice should clearly see that this is what you are actually saying in a round-about manner. Your 'shyness' in regard to acknowledging that the commands of God still apply to Christians in a very REAL way seems to be somewhat a problem for you. I'm not sure why we SEEM to be in agreement ...and yet, we are evidently not. Then again, maybe you're right - perhaps I'm not born again ...merely saved.
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Ormly
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SputnikBoy said:Sputnik: So, if I understand you correctly, as long as we love God with all our hearts and with all our souls and with all our strength, we can go out and rape, murder, debach and pilage to our heart's content? Could you clarify HOW we might best love God with heart, soul, and mind? Be more specific, Orm, since there might be novices reading this thread. Could it be, perhaps, that we demonstrate our love to God by obeying the first four commandments? Just a suggestion. :wink:
Ormly: How could you say you love God and then do those things?? If you love Him He will be the only one you will desire to please. A novice can see that. How you love Him is by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Do you have a revelation of Jesus Christ; are you born again? --- or just saved?[/quote]
Sputnik: So, in other words, you really DO apply the principles of the Ten Commandments to your Christian walk? The novice should clearly see that this is what you are actually saying in a round-about manner. Your 'shyness' in regard to acknowledging that the commands of God still apply to Christians in a very REAL way seems to be somewhat a problem for you. I'm not sure why we SEEM to be in agreement ...and yet, we are evidently not. Then again, maybe you're right - perhaps I'm not born again ...merely saved.[/quote]
“The Word†is Jesus Himself ( John 1:1 ), therefore we must have an experiential knowledge of Him before we can begin to understand the literal words of the Bible other than perhaps, "Jesus wept". The danger today is that people are being nourished not with the Bible so much as with conceptions which ignore Him and God's universal purpose for His creation in Christ.. Bible facts are either revelational facts or they're nonsense. It depends on our Spiritual relationship ---- Spiritual as in intimate with Father as Jesus was. Each one of us brings certain prejudices based largely upon '101' depth teachings, which greatly hinder our understanding of revelational facts [truths]. Our attitude to the Bible is a care-less and stupid one; we care more for our prejudices and come to the Bible for proof that they are accurate, the teachers we loved were accurate and our way is the correct and only way. The Bible states and affirms facts for the benefit of those without those handicaps. Those who are snared by them can make the Bible say anything they choose. --- How sad for the blind of us. All of the ten hinge on and are fulfilled in the one great commandment spoken in Duet. and repeated by Jesus in Matthew:
"Thou shalt love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul, mind and strength." --- Love God and do as you please.
Orm
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SputnikBoy
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Ormly said:SputnikBoy said:Sputnik: So, if I understand you correctly, as long as we love God with all our hearts and with all our souls and with all our strength, we can go out and rape, murder, debach and pilage to our heart's content? Could you clarify HOW we might best love God with heart, soul, and mind? Be more specific, Orm, since there might be novices reading this thread. Could it be, perhaps, that we demonstrate our love to God by obeying the first four commandments? Just a suggestion. :wink:
Ormly: How could you say you love God and then do those things?? If you love Him He will be the only one you will desire to please. A novice can see that. How you love Him is by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Do you have a revelation of Jesus Christ; are you born again? --- or just saved?
Sputnik: So, in other words, you really DO apply the principles of the Ten Commandments to your Christian walk? The novice should clearly see that this is what you are actually saying in a round-about manner. Your 'shyness' in regard to acknowledging that the commands of God still apply to Christians in a very REAL way seems to be somewhat a problem for you. I'm not sure why we SEEM to be in agreement ...and yet, we are evidently not. Then again, maybe you're right - perhaps I'm not born again ...merely saved.[/quote]
“The Word†is Jesus Himself ( John 1:1 ), therefore we must have an experiential knowledge of Him before we can begin to understand the literal words of the Bible other than perhaps, "Jesus wept". The danger today is that people are being nourished not with the Bible so much as with conceptions which ignore Him and God's universal purpose for His creation in Christ.. Bible facts are either revelational facts or they're nonsense. It depends on our Spiritual relationship ---- Spiritual as in intimate with Father as Jesus was. Each one of us brings certain prejudices based largely upon '101' depth teachings, which greatly hinder our understanding of revelational facts [truths]. Our attitude to the Bible is a care-less and stupid one; we care more for our prejudices and come to the Bible for proof that they are accurate, the teachers we loved were accurate and our way is the correct and only way. The Bible states and affirms facts for the benefit of those without those handicaps. Those who are snared by them can make the Bible say anything they choose. --- How sad for the blind of us. All of the ten hinge on and are fulfilled in the one great commandment spoken in Duet. and repeated by Jesus in Matthew:
"Thou shalt love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul, mind and strength." --- Love God and do as you please.
Orm[/quote]
Sputnik: Love God and do as you please. Am I REALLY the only one on this forum who has a problem with this philosophy? Please explain, Orm.
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Ormly
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SputnikBoy said:Ormly said:SputnikBoy said:Sputnik: So, if I understand you correctly, as long as we love God with all our hearts and with all our souls and with all our strength, we can go out and rape, murder, debach and pilage to our heart's content? Could you clarify HOW we might best love God with heart, soul, and mind? Be more specific, Orm, since there might be novices reading this thread. Could it be, perhaps, that we demonstrate our love to God by obeying the first four commandments? Just a suggestion. :wink:
Ormly: How could you say you love God and then do those things?? If you love Him He will be the only one you will desire to please. A novice can see that. How you love Him is by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Do you have a revelation of Jesus Christ; are you born again? --- or just saved?
Sputnik: So, in other words, you really DO apply the principles of the Ten Commandments to your Christian walk? The novice should clearly see that this is what you are actually saying in a round-about manner. Your 'shyness' in regard to acknowledging that the commands of God still apply to Christians in a very REAL way seems to be somewhat a problem for you. I'm not sure why we SEEM to be in agreement ...and yet, we are evidently not. Then again, maybe you're right - perhaps I'm not born again ...merely saved.
“The Word†is Jesus Himself ( John 1:1 ), therefore we must have an experiential knowledge of Him before we can begin to understand the literal words of the Bible other than perhaps, "Jesus wept". The danger today is that people are being nourished not with the Bible so much as with conceptions which ignore Him and God's universal purpose for His creation in Christ.. Bible facts are either revelational facts or they're nonsense. It depends on our Spiritual relationship ---- Spiritual as in intimate with Father as Jesus was. Each one of us brings certain prejudices based largely upon '101' depth teachings, which greatly hinder our understanding of revelational facts [truths]. Our attitude to the Bible is a care-less and stupid one; we care more for our prejudices and come to the Bible for proof that they are accurate, the teachers we loved were accurate and our way is the correct and only way. The Bible states and affirms facts for the benefit of those without those handicaps. Those who are snared by them can make the Bible say anything they choose. --- How sad for the blind of us. All of the ten hinge on and are fulfilled in the one great commandment spoken in Duet. and repeated by Jesus in Matthew:
"Thou shalt love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul, mind and strength." --- Love God and do as you please.
Orm[/quote]
Sputnik: Love God and do as you please. Am I REALLY the only one on this forum who has a problem with this philosophy? Please explain, Orm.[/quote]
If you love Him, truly love Him, then He is the only one you will desire to please.
What do want from the person that you love? What demands do you make on such a one? Isn't it that you would seek to rather please him or would you have it to be that he please you? Do you love with a hook or simply because you love the person, with no strings attached? Who is God that He shouldn't be loved with our whole being? Christ shows us how in Himself. [Jn 17]]