The Law of Moses IS the Law of YHWH

[jocor]

Some people believe the Law of Moses is something different from the Law of YHWH (God). The following verses clearly show that the Law of Moses was given to him by YHWH to give to Israel. There is no difference between the Law of Moses and the Law of YHWH.

Exo_24:12 And YHWH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

2Ch_33:8 Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

2Ch_34:14 And when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of YHWH, Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of YHWH given by Moses.

Ezr_7:6 This Ezra went up from Babylon; and he was a ready scribe in the law of Moses, which YHWH God of Israel had given: and the king granted him all his request, according to the hand of YHWH his God upon him.

Neh_8:1 And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which YHWH had commanded to Israel.

Neh_8:14 And they found written in the law which YHWH had commanded by Moses, that the children of Israel should dwell in booths in the feast of the seventh month:

Neh_10:29 They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of YHWH our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;

Mal_4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.​

Therefore, if you choose to believe/teach that the Law of Moses is abolished/done away with, you are also believing/teaching that the Law of YHWH (God) is abolished/done away with. With that in mind, I will start another thread soon concerning what the Scriptures teach about the Law of YHWH.

 

[Deborah13]

Do you believe the Law of Moses the Old Covenant?

 

[jocor]

The Law of Moses was part of the OC. The heart of it was written on tables of stone. It is now part of the NC and should be written on our hearts. As we abide in the living Torah (Messiah) the Torah/Law would be written on our hearts. As the mind of Messiah formed in us, a mind that was obedient to the Law, the Law would be written in our minds.

This new covenant would also include a better sacrifice in the blood of Messiah Yeshua vs. animal blood, a better mediator in Messiah vs. Moses, a better ministration in the spirit vs. the letter alone, a better High Priest in Yeshua vs. Aaron, a better priesthood after the order of Melchizedek vs. Levi, better promises based on the eternal rather than the temporal, a better ministration of the Law in that it becomes internal vs. external, and a better tabernacle made without hands.

 

[th1b.taylor]

The Law of Moses was part of the OC. The heart of it was written on tables of stone. It is now part of the NC and should be written on our hearts. As we abide in the living Torah (Messiah) the Torah/Law would be written on our hearts. As the mind of Messiah formed in us, a mind that was obedient to the Law, the Law would be written in our minds.

This new covenant would also include a better sacrifice in the blood of Messiah Yeshua vs. animal blood, a better mediator in Messiah vs. Moses, a better ministration in the spirit vs. the letter alone, a better High Priest in Yeshua vs. Aaron, a better priesthood after the order of Melchizedek vs. Levi, better promises based on the eternal rather than the temporal, a better ministration of the Law in that it becomes internal vs. external, and a better tabernacle made without hands.

Jocor,
You are dead on brother and as we are called of Jesus, the author of everything, to obey His commands, I fear that few, very few of the better than 12 or 13 billion, possible, candidates will enter into His eternal grace. I have spent the better part of the past 25 years trying to open the eyes of the intentionally blind but it is almost impossible. God speed brother.

 

[Deborah13]

The Law of Moses was part of the OC. The heart of it was written on tables of stone. It is now part of the NC and should be written on our hearts. As we abide in the living Torah (Messiah) the Torah/Law would be written on our hearts. As the mind of Messiah formed in us, a mind that was obedient to the Law, the Law would be written in our minds.

This new covenant would also include a better sacrifice in the blood of Messiah Yeshua vs. animal blood, a better mediator in Messiah vs. Moses, a better ministration in the spirit vs. the letter alone, a better High Priest in Yeshua vs. Aaron, a better priesthood after the order of Melchizedek vs. Levi, better promises based on the eternal rather than the temporal, a better ministration of the Law in that it becomes internal vs. external, and a better tabernacle made without hands.

I like your description of the new covenant. There is only one thing that I question.
" a better ministration in the spirit vs. the letter alone"
Rom_2:29 but a Jew is he who is so inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart, in spirit, not in letter, of which the praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom_7:6 and now we have ceased from the law, that being dead in which we were held, so that we may serve in newness of spirit, and not in oldness of letter.

If we have not ceased from the letter, even the letter written on stone, then one must abide the descriptions of how that letter is to be carried out, which includes the 7th day Shabbot, etc.
We are either still accountable to the letter or to the law written on our hearts and minds, not both.
I believe that what is written on our hearts is the two commandments that the Messiah spoke here.....
Mat 22:36 `Teacher, which is the great command in the Law?'
Mat 22:37 And Jesus said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding--
Mat 22:38 this is a first and great command;
Mat 22:39 and the second is like to it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself;
Mat 22:40 on these--the two commands--all the law and the prophets do hang.'

The question was "which is the great command in the Law?" Interesting question. They knew there was "a great command". To me that says they knew there was a purpose and intent for the Law of Moses. Something that they were suppose to learn from it and Yeshua answered that question with the two commandments that the Law was all about.

 

[Sinthesis]

The law of YHWH is 'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God, and thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself'.

The law of Moses is those weak and beggarly elements attached to the law of YHWH as a guide to those who couldn't know how to apply the law of YHWH within life's myriad circumstances. The Holy Spirit is now freely available to guide us through every application, so why would we desire to return to the myopic corruptible pursuits from which Jesus' work freed God's People.

Gal 4:9 - But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?​

 

[ezrider]

Jocor,
You are dead on brother and as we are called of Jesus, the author of everything, to obey His commands, I fear that few, very few of the better than 12 or 13 billion, possible, candidates will enter into His eternal grace. I have spent the better part of the past 25 years trying to open the eyes of the intentionally blind but it is almost impossible. God speed brother.

I would not characterize this in that manner. We have all entered into His eternal Grace to moment the new covenant, the covenant of His eternal peace was confirmed in the blood of Christ as he was pierced upon the cross. Few, and very few at that I fear ever move beyond the grace of God to come to the knowledge of Christ within their hearts that they might through faith become the image of the resurrected Christ.

If the scripture tells us that it is the Lord who blinded their eyes, then why would you try to open what the Lord has shut?

 

[jocor]

I like your description of the new covenant. There is only one thing that I question.
" a better ministration in the spirit vs. the letter alone"
Rom_2:29 but a Jew is he who is so inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart, in spirit, not in letter, of which the praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom_7:6 and now we have ceased from the law, that being dead in which we were held, so that we may serve in newness of spirit, and not in oldness of letter.

Living under the OC without having the indwelling Spirit only leads to death, but living under the NC with the indwelling Spirit is life because the death penalty has been paid by Yeshua and the Spirit causes us to obey as Ezekiel said 36:26-27.

If we have not ceased from the letter, even the letter written on stone, then one must abide the descriptions of how that letter is to be carried out, which includes the 7th day Shabbot, etc.

Correct.

We are either still accountable to the letter or to the law written on our hearts and minds, not both.

Why not both? The law is written on our hearts (ie; Thou shalt not steal is written on our hearts) and the indwelling Spirit causes us to obey that letter written on our hearts.

I believe that what is written on our hearts is the two commandments that the Messiah spoke here.....
Mat 22:36 `Teacher, which is the great command in the Law?'
Mat 22:37 And Jesus said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding--
Mat 22:38 this is a first and great command;
Mat 22:39 and the second is like to it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself;
Mat 22:40 on these--the two commands--all the law and the prophets do hang.'

The question was "which is the great command in the Law?" Interesting question. They knew there was "a great command". To me that says they knew there was a purpose and intent for the Law of Moses. Something that they were suppose to learn from it and Yeshua answered that question with the two commandments that the Law was all about.

Verse 40 says that the law is hanging on those two commands. It does not say the rest of the law no longer hangs upon them. The law is still there. If we take away the two, we take away the entire law. Thankfully we still have the two. Therefore, we still have the entire law.

Why not go one step further and say only the word "love" is written there based on Romans 13:10? In Jer 31:33, Yahweh said He would write "Torah" in their hearts and inwards parts. He did not say only the two greatest commandments or only "love" would be written there.

 

[Obadiah]

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[jocor]

The law of YHWH is 'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God, and thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself'.

Two verses refute that belief:

2Ch_34:14 And when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of YHWH, Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of YHWH given by Moses. (Moses did not give only two commands)

Luke 2:23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord [YHWH], Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)

The law of Moses is those weak and beggarly elements attached to the law of YHWH as a guide to those who couldn't know how to apply the law of YHWH within life's myriad circumstances. The Holy Spirit is now freely available to guide us through every application, so why would we desire to return to the myopic corruptible pursuits from which Jesus' work freed God's People.

Gal 4:9 - But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?​

Yeshua freed us from sin, not from having to obey Yahweh's commandments.

Gal 4:9 is referring to the pagan holidays they used to keep when they were idolaters who did not know Yahweh. Yahweh's holy days are neither weak, nor beggarly, but "holy, just and good" (Romans 7:12). The Greek word "stoicheion" translated "elements" was also used by Paul in Col 2:8 referring to the traditions of men and Col 2:20 referring to the commandments and doctrines of men.

 

[Deborah13]

Living under the OC without having the indwelling Spirit only leads to death, but living under the NC with the indwelling Spirit is life because the death penalty has been paid by Yeshua and the Spirit causes us to obey as Ezekiel said 36:26-27.
Correct.
Why not both? The law is written on our hearts (ie; Thou shalt not steal is written on our hearts) and the indwelling Spirit causes us to obey that letter written on our hearts.

If one loves their neighbor are they going to steal from them? Even a fairly young child will answer no to that question.

Verse 40 says that the law is hanging on those two commands. It does not say the rest of the law no longer hangs upon them. The law is still there. If we take away the two, we take away the entire law. Thankfully we still have the two. Therefore, we still have the entire law.

Yes, the entire law is fulfilled in them.

Why not go one step further and say only the word "love" is written there based on Romans 13:10?

Paul says that love is the fulfillment of the law so that is the truth. But that love has a definition, the two commandments given by the Messiah. It doesn't look like the love a natural man produces but is produced by the Messiah in us. It is YHVH love working through us by the Holy Spirit.

In Jer 31:33, Yahweh said He would write "Torah" in their hearts and inwards parts. He did not say only the two greatest commandments or only "love" would be written there.

Gen 26:5 because that Abraham hath hearkened to My voice, and keepeth My charge, My commands, My statutes, and My laws.' (Torah)
'Torah' is not synonymous with the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses came 430 yrs. after this verse was spoken about Abraham.

 

[4afaithfulone]

Say: Yah....Weh ,The Breath of life Ruach Spirit of life, Jesus Word of life

What is the Love of God?

The answer is:
2 John 6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. KJV

heard from the beginning.. In the beginning was The Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God......

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. KJV

There are 10 original commandments written in The Stone(Christ) but due to stumbling in them, they added a total of 613 upon themselves by breaking the original 10. Some say that Moses broke the law by throwing the Stone tablets down, but he just finished it, they have broken them before he came down the mountain.
Paul warns that if you allow yourself to be circumcised in the flesh, you have put your self back under all 613, not just the 10 that were condensed to two, which if done correctly, covers all 10.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
KJV
Jesus also loved them in truth and what does it say Truth is?
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
KJV

 

[th1b.taylor]

I would not characterize this in that manner. We have all entered into His eternal Grace to moment the new covenant, the covenant of His eternal peace was confirmed in the blood of Christ as he was pierced upon the cross. Few, and very few at that I fear ever move beyond the grace of God to come to the knowledge of Christ within their hearts that they might through faith become the image of the resurrected Christ.

If the scripture tells us that it is the Lord who blinded their eyes, then why would you try to open what the Lord has shut?

Those misnamed "Old Testament" Saints were and still, today are, saints saved by grace, the same grace that has been from the first day of Adam. Now, because the world is full of ear ticklers, maybe more than before but always present, people, misguided ones, have chosen the liars for, just any reason you can list that will boil down to PRIDE! There has never been but one covenant, God's Covenant of Salvation by Grace.

Adam did not have the Law of God, misnamed, by men, as the Mosaic covenant. When Jesus gave up His Spirit, then all the Saints were released from Paradise to follow Him into Heaven. (Matthew 27:51-53) The Law Of God that better than 98% of you are terrified of has never and it will never save a single person, it was not meant to!

The Law of God, as mentioned by my brother here and by me so many times I feel like I stutter each time I repeat it, is applicable to any man, woman or child that seeks to attain eternity in Heaven. The Law is and will forever be the most accurate, the most beautiful and the Eternal Majesty of the Christ, Jesus.

People, as a whole, myself included, are knuckle headed! There is no Old Testament and there is no New Testament! There is the Bible, the books found in the Jewish Bible that have been subdivided into the first 39 books known, erroneously, as the Old Testament. And then because God is so great there is the Life Application Commentary inspired, a.k.a. authored, by God, that is misnamed the New Testament. It does include as a preface the four Gospels of Jesus, the Christ but even they reference the Gospel of Isaiah and the other prophets.

 

[jocor]

If one loves their neighbor are they going to steal from them? Even a fairly young child will answer no to that question.

No, they will not steal from them. If they do steal from them, then they don't love their neighbor. There are professing believers that steal from their neighbors, especially their tithes and offerings. "Thou shalt not steal" remains a law as a witness against them.

Yes, the entire law is fulfilled in them.

Fulfilled does not mean "abolish" as it pertains to the Law. It means to satisfy what the Law requires. Love fulfills the Law only if one truly loves. However, Yeshua commanded us to love one another. That means we can either obey or disobey this command. If we obey, we fulfill the Law. If we disobey, we break the Law and sin (1 John 3:4). If we abolish the Law, then we have nothing pointing out our sin. Throw away the mirror of James 1:23 (the perfect Law of liberty) and we cannot see the sin upon us.

Paul says that love is the fulfillment of the law so that is the truth. But that love has a definition, the two commandments given by the Messiah. It doesn't look like the love a natural man produces but is produced by the Messiah in us. It is YHVH love working through us by the Holy Spirit.

Yes, love is defined by the two greatest commandments and is a work of the Holy Spirit. Now picture an empty clothes closet with one hanger (love). Now hang two other hangers on the first hanger. Those two hangers are the two great commands. Now hang other hangers on those two. They are the rest of the Law. One cannot fulfill the rest of the Law unless one has love. All commandments hang on love. None are thrown away.

Gen 26:5 because that Abraham hath hearkened to My voice, and keepeth My charge, My commands, My statutes, and My laws.' (Torah)
'Torah' is not synonymous with the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses came 430 yrs. after this verse was spoken about Abraham.

The "Law" of Moses is the "Torah" of Moses. It is the Law of YHWH. Abraham kept the commands, statutes and laws in their oral form. They were later written down because of all the transgressions that were being committed. It was written as a witness against transgressors. They were added as part of the OC. The OC is the Law without the Spirit. The NC is the Law with the Spirit.

 

[jocor]

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
KJV

I'm not sure if you are for my view or against it, but I will just say that this passage is NOT against the Law, but against the misuse of the Law as a means to justification.

Jesus also loved them in truth and what does it say Truth is?
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
KJV

It also says, "Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth." Psa 119:142

 

[Deborah13]

No, they will not steal from them. If they do steal from them, then they don't love their neighbor. There are professing believers that steal from their neighbors, especially their tithes and offerings. "Thou shalt not steal" remains a law as a witness against them.

I agree.

Fulfilled does not mean "abolish" as it pertains to the Law. It means to satisfy what the Law requires. Love fulfills the Law only if one truly loves. However, Yeshua commanded us to love one another. That means we can either obey or disobey this command. If we obey, we fulfill the Law. If we disobey, we break the Law and sin (1 John 3:4). If we abolish the Law, then we have nothing pointing out our sin. Throw away the mirror of James 1:23 (the perfect Law of liberty) and we cannot see the sin upon us.

What is the old covenant?

Yes, love is defined by the two greatest commandments and is a work of the Holy Spirit. Now picture an empty clothes closet with one hanger (love). Now hang two other hangers on the first hanger. Those two hangers are the two great commands. Now hang other hangers on those two. They are the rest of the Law. One cannot fulfill the rest of the Law unless one has love. All commandments hang on love. None are thrown away.

Once again what is the old covenant?

The "Law" of Moses is the "Torah" of Moses. It is the Law of YHWH. Abraham kept the commands, statutes and laws in their oral form. They were later written down because of all the transgressions that were being committed. It was written as a witness against transgressors. They were added as part of the OC. The OC is the Law without the Spirit. The NC is the Law with the Spirit.

Please give me scripture that says that the commandments that Abraham kept were the same ones that the Law of Moses (the 613) were.
Paul clearly says that the law was not given until 430 yrs. after Abraham received the promise. If it wasn't given then it was not given orally or any other way. The scriptures never say anything about an oral law given at any time. Do you follow the Talmud, the Rabbical commentary on the oral law?
Gal 3:16 and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; He doth not say, `And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, `And to thy seed,' which is Christ;
Gal 3:17 and this I say, A covenant confirmed before by God to Christ, the law, that came four hundred and thirty years after, doth not set aside, to make void the promise,
Gal 3:18 for if by law be the inheritance, it is no more by promise, but to Abraham through promise did God grant it .

 

[jocor]

I agree.

What is the old covenant?

Once again what is the old covenant?

Please give me scripture that says that the commandments that Abraham kept were the same ones that the Law of Moses (the 613) were.
Paul clearly says that the law was not given until 430 yrs. after Abraham received the promise. If it wasn't given then it was not given orally or any other way. The scriptures never say anything about an oral law given at any time. Do you follow the Talmud, the Rabbical commentary on the oral law?
Gal 3:16 and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; He doth not say, `And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, `And to thy seed,' which is Christ;
Gal 3:17 and this I say, A covenant confirmed before by God to Christ, the law, that came four hundred and thirty years after, doth not set aside, to make void the promise,
Gal 3:18 for if by law be the inheritance, it is no more by promise, but to Abraham through promise did God grant it .

The old covenant is the covenant made at Sinai 430 years after Abraham. It included many oral laws that Abraham kept such as not murdering, not committing idolatry, eating only clean animals, etc. I believe he kept all ten commandments plus many more. I did not say he kept 613 laws. Some were added later on like the Feasts and all commands related to the Temple system. When the OC was added, including the written law, it was glorious, but not without fault, that fault being the people that entered it. So Yahweh foretold of a New Covenant in which the Law would be internalized if the people would allow the Holy Spirit to write it in their hearts. It would not include the death penalty phase of the OC because it was paid by Yeshua.

No, I do not follow the Talmud, but it is useful at times to understand the culture of the Jews.

 

[Deborah13]

The old covenant is the covenant made at Sinai 430 years after Abraham.

Agreed

It included many oral laws that Abraham kept such as not murdering, not committing idolatry, eating only clean animals, etc. I believe he kept all ten commandments plus many more.

I believe that Abraham kept whatever laws the Lord gave him to keep. I don't try to assume what they were except that they would have included loving God and others. I know that he was circumcised and passed that law on.

I did not say he kept 613 laws.

No you didn't and really didn't think you did. Just clarifying for others.

Some were added later on like the Feasts and all commands related to the Temple system. When the OC was added, including the written law, it was glorious, but not without fault, that fault being the people that entered it.

Yes because people sin and the Law could not take away sin.

So Yahweh foretold of a New Covenant in which the Law would be internalized if the people would allow the Holy Spirit to write it in their hearts. It would not include the death penalty phase of the OC because it was paid by Yeshua.

If it was the Law of Moses that was written on the heart then Paul, Peter, and James were all guilty of misleading the new covenant people and the souls of many people are on their heads.
Act 15:1 And certain having come down from Judea, were teaching the brethren--`If ye be not circumcised after the custom of Moses, ye are not able to be saved;'
Act 15:5 and there rose up certain of those of the sect of the Pharisees who believed, saying--`It behoveth to circumcise them, to command them also to keep the law of Moses.'
Act 15:7 and there having been much disputing, Peter having risen up said unto them, `Men, brethren, ye know that from former days, God among us did make choice, through my mouth, for the nations to hear the word of the good news, and to believe;
Act 15:9 and did put no difference also between us and them, by the faith having purified their hearts;
Act 15:10 now, therefore, why do ye tempt God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Clearly this scripture is talking about the Law of Moses, not the dogma of men. Peter says that it was a yoke that neither the fathers nor they themselves were able to bear.

No, I do not follow the Talmud, but it is useful at times to understand the culture of the Jews.

Yes it is. I'm not against using it for that purpose, I have myself.

 

[jocor]

If it was the Law of Moses that was written on the heart then Paul, Peter, and James were all guilty of misleading the new covenant people and the souls of many people are on their heads.
Act 15:1 And certain having come down from Judea, were teaching the brethren--`If ye be not circumcised after the custom of Moses, ye are not able to be saved;'
Act 15:5 and there rose up certain of those of the sect of the Pharisees who believed, saying--`It behoveth to circumcise them, to command them also to keep the law of Moses.'
Act 15:7 and there having been much disputing, Peter having risen up said unto them, `Men, brethren, ye know that from former days, God among us did make choice, through my mouth, for the nations to hear the word of the good news, and to believe;
Act 15:9 and did put no difference also between us and them, by the faith having purified their hearts;
Act 15:10 now, therefore, why do ye tempt God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Clearly this scripture is talking about the Law of Moses, not the dogma of men. Peter says that it was a yoke that neither the fathers nor they themselves were able to bear.

Yes, it is talking about the Law of Moses, but what is it saying? Verse one sets the context; getting circumcised after the custom of Moses in order to be saved (justification by works alone). Peter then spoke up and mentioned a "yoke" that the father's and the Jews were unable to bear. What was that yoke? The Law of Moses? No. It was seeking to be justified or saved by the Law. That is why Peter continued in verse 11 by saying, "But we believe that through the grace of the Master Yeshua Messiah we shall be saved, even as they. Peter new that Yahweh saves men by grace through faith, not by works. Afterwards they had no problem commanding the Gentile converts to keep four commands from the Law of Moses. Why? They were commanding them to be kept for salvation. This also proves that the two greatest commandments are not the only laws we must keep. In reality, there are many laws given through Moses that we must obey, the two greatest head that list followed by the Ten Commandments and many others.

 

[Deborah13]

Yes, it is talking about the Law of Moses, but what is it saying? Verse one sets the context; getting circumcised after the custom of Moses in order to be saved (justification by works alone). Peter then spoke up and mentioned a "yoke" that the father's and the Jews were unable to bear. What was that yoke? The Law of Moses? No. It was seeking to be justified or saved by the Law. That is why Peter continued in verse 11 by saying, "But we believe that through the grace of the Master Yeshua Messiah we shall be saved, even as they. Peter new that Yahweh saves men by grace through faith, not by works.

I agree. So if it is sin not to abide by ALL the 613 that one is able to, what does that say about ones salvation? One who is saved does not refuse to do what YHVH commands them to do. They at least do their best to obey what YHVH tells them to do and when they fail they repent and do it. Correct?

Afterwards they had no problem commanding the Gentile converts to keep four commands from the Law of Moses. Why? They were commanding them to be kept for salvation. This also proves that the two greatest commandments are not the only laws we must keep. In reality, there are many laws given through Moses that we must obey, the two greatest head that list followed by the Ten Commandments and many others.

I would say that if they did those things they were not saved at all, they were worshiping other gods.
I would say the ones they said needed to be kept are those that pertain to idolatry that the pagan religions were guilty of doing in their pagan worship and that many of the Gentiles had been participating in. We can see this both in the OT and in the history that is written about the pagan worship ceremonies. I think this clearly falls under the first commandment given by Yeshua. To love YHVH with all the heart, mind, and soul. One cannot be worshiping other gods and practicing that form of worship and say they love YHVH as the One God of all creation.
Deu 23:18 thou dost not bring a gift of a whore, or a price of a dog, into the house of Yehovah thy God, for any vow; for the abomination of Yehovah thy God are even both of them.
Jer 44:19 and when we are making perfume to the queen of the heavens, and pouring out to her libations--without our husbands have we made for her cakes to idolize her, and to pour out to her libations?'
Not even looking at the many mentions of Baal/Molech, these are just a couple of pagan worship customs that took the form of sexual, dumb beasts, and food worship customs. They shed the innocent blood of their own children. They took no care to the torture of a dumb beast which YHVH clearly taught against.