The law of the LORD is perfect, restoring the soul;

[GodsGrace]

Thats what Jesus said to anyone who would believe it.

Was it Elijah, was it John the Baptist, or was it the Spirit of Elijah in John the Baptist.

For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

I believe it was the spirit of Elijah in John the Baptist.
Malachi 3:1 reads as you've posted.

verses 2 and 3 go on to say HOW John will refine the sons of Levi and purify them like gold and silver.

Malachi 4:5 says that Elijah will come in the great and terrible day of the Lord.
I believe this means the end times. So clearly Jesus is speaking about Elijah's power being in John the Baptist.

 

[GodsGrace]

OK
I agree.
What did Jesus mean when He told the adultress woman...
"Go and sin no more".

You skipped over this. There would be a lot to go over and I have to leave soon.

 

[Corn Pop]

People follow doctrine.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Thats a call to repentance. If anyone says they have not sinned or have no sin, they reject Christ and Christ is not needed.

Every one who knows Christ knows they fall short, but if they believe it, Christ took away the sin of the world. The judge is powerless. Christ is faithful to forgive and cleanse.

I can't just answer every question, im not all knowing and i need time to go through and show and explain something using just scriptures.

 

[GodsGrace]

Im not all knowing but my guess is Christ had not yet gone to the cross so the curse of the Law was still standing. Not one jot of the law will pass until all things are fullfilled. If people believe it Christ fulfilled all things. He did not fail.

Christ took away the sin of the world and nailed the law to the cross, and his commandments are Love with no contract attached, because there is no law. If Christ had a contract attached it would be the same thing all over again and people would need a Savior from the Savior.

Its not blessings and curses anymore, its just blessings.

I would have liked to talk about this a little more too.
We find this in Mathew 5:17

Jesus said He did not come to ABOLISH the Law, but to fulfill it. To make it complete, to satisfy it but not to abolish it.

If we consider Jesus' two Great Commandments in
Mathew 22:37-39
we understand that if we follow these two commandments, then we will automatically follow ALL commandments because we desire to please both God and man and do them no harm or disservice.

So then the question becomes:

If the Law still stands and is NOT abolished, then what's the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant?

I understand the difference to be LOVE.

The O.C. was written on stone and it was impossible to observe the commandments of God because there was no motivation that the Israelites could actually feel. They were like slaves all over again but to different Laws. There was no love.

The New Covenant is written in our heart. The Law is now not written in stone but on our heart.
Jeremiah 31:33

Jesus went to the cross on our behalf. To free us from bondage to satan and sin. When we see what a great sacrifice He made for us, we're filled with love for Him. We see that God wishes to be a friend and not a harsh taskmaster. So in response to this love, we WANT to obey the Law. It is not abolished but our desire is to please God. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit so that we may have the spirit of God within us and so have the power to eliminate much sin from our lives.

Would you agree with this?

IOW, the Law has not been abolished, but we now have the power to follow it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Before follow the doctrine.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Thats a call to repentance. If anyone says they have not sinned or have no sin, they reject Christ and Christ is not needed.

Every one who knows Christ knows they fall short, but if they believe it, Christ took away the sin of the world. The judge is powerless. Christ is faithful to forgive and cleanse.

I can't just answer every question, im not all knowing and i need time to go through and show and explain something.

I believe we're on the same page.
Please comment on my post no. 24.

But tomorrow for me...

 

[GodsGrace]

kiwidan

I just saw this:

I can't just answer every question, im not all knowing and i need time to go through and show and explain something.

This isn't a test Kiwidan! It's just interesting to talk about this. I pretty much know the answers. It's interesting to know what you think.

 

[Corn Pop]

I believe it was the spirit of Elijah in John the Baptist.
Malachi 3:1 reads as you've posted.

verses 2 and 3 go on to say HOW John will refine the sons of Levi and purify them like gold and silver.

Malachi 4:5 says that Elijah will come in the great and terrible day of the Lord.
I believe this means the end times. So clearly Jesus is speaking about Elijah's power being in John the Baptist.

So what do you believe. It was the Spirit of Elijah in John or Elijah's power being in John the Baptist.

I clearly believe it was The Spirit of Elijah in John the Baptist as Jesus says.

He was Elijah.

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

And people still dont believe it that when they are baptised into Jesus death they are standing beofre the judgement throne and go through the great and terrible day of the Lord. Thats the trial and tribulation people face at repentance. Waiting for Christ to raise them up.

 

[twinc]

So what do you believe. It was the Spirit of Elijah in John or Elijah's power being in John the Baptist.

I clearly believe it was The Spirit of Elijah in John the Baptist as Jesus says.

He was Elijah.

this has always troubled me a bit - since John said the sin of the world and not sins of the world - the sin of the world was/is original sin which closed heaven to us but was reopened by Christ - twinc

 

[Corn Pop]

It doesn't matter what Jesus says, what the scriptures say, people don't believe anything Jesus says because they follow doctrine, there deceived by doctrine.

 

[Corn Pop]

this has always troubled me a bit - since John said the sin of the world and not sins of the world - the sin of the world was/is original sin which closed heaven to us but was reopened by Christ - twinc

The sin of the world. Its all. He could have said the sins of this and the sins of that, but its all in one. The sin of the world.

"Behold, the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world."

"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."

People are just going through the judgement because the Law has found them guilty, and when the truth comes they will understand they acturally rejected Christ and had faith in the Law, and not Christ, they won't believe that whole time they have been under satan.
The first thing people do at repentance is reject Christ and start to follow the Law and commandments.

 

[Corn Pop]

How many know this truth, when you were baptised or come to repentance the first thing you did was try follow the laws and commandments and try and obey and serve Christ and do good works and be good Christian for Christ because you were buried in Christ and convicted by the Law.

We cannot do anything for Christ because he did everything for us. I realise I had acturally rejected him. I had no true belief in him. Everytime I tried to be good following the commandments I was acturally rejecting Christ work. I really had no belief in Christ. Thats what it is. The reality of it. All fall short and all put him on the cross.

I had to go through the wilderness and babylon and tribulation and my master the judge untill I come to the Truth and the full revelation of Christ. Christ revealed. The full revealing of Christ is so glorious its Christ in his glory. So great the word great is a understatement.

I never believed in Christ, I was following the letter and doctrine.

 

[twinc]

How many know this truth, when you were baptised or come to repentance the first thing you did was try follow the laws and commandments and try and obey and serve Christ and do good works and be good Christian for Christ because you were buried in Christ and convicted by the Law.

We cannot do anything for Christ because he did everything for us. I realise I had acturally rejected him. I had no true belief in him. Everytime I tried to be good following the commandments I was acturally rejecting Christ work. I really had no belief in Christ. Thats what it is. The reality of it. All fall short and all put him on the cross.

I had to go through the wilderness and babylon and tribulation and my master the judge untill I come to the Truth and the full revelation of Christ. Christ revealed. The full revealing of Christ is so glorious its Christ in his glory. So great the word great is a understatement.

I never believed in Christ, I was following the letter and doctrine.

it seems many Christians go from the frying pan into the fire viz from false humility to proud born again new creation sinless and saved but the commandments are for the proud and the gospel for the humble - twinc

 

[GodsGrace]

So what do you believe. It was the Spirit of Elijah in John or Elijah's power being in John the Baptist.

I clearly believe it was The Spirit of Elijah in John the Baptist as Jesus says.

He was Elijah.

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

And people still dont believe it that when they are baptised into Jesus death they are standing beofre the judgement throne and go through the great and terrible day of the Lord. Thats the trial and tribulation people face at repentance. Waiting for Christ to raise them up.

Kiwidan, if by spirit of Elijah in John, you understand that John was Elijah, then, no, John the Baptist was John the Baptist. The power of Elijah was in John. In these modern times we sometimes say that someone is in the "spirit" of someone else. This does not mean they are the other person.

Malachi 4:5 says that God will send Elijah before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord.
When is the great and terrible day of the Lord? It has not come yet. It's the end of the world when all will be judged - who, the saved, by Jesus and the unsaved at the Great White Throne Judgement.
2 Corinthians 5:10
Revelation 20:11-15

Since the great and terrible day of the Lord has not come yet, we must believe that neither has Elijah come.

 

[GodsGrace]

It doesn't matter what Jesus says, what the scriptures say, people don't believe anything Jesus says because they follow doctrine, there deceived by doctrine.

If it wasn't for churches and theologians, how would we know the difference between SIN and SINS?
How would we ever have discovered the Holy Trinity in the pages of the bible?

Because I believe in the doctrine of a church does not mean that I don't believe anything Jesus said or that I don't follow Him. It would seem to me that those who do not go to any church are not following Him.

Paul instructs us to worship together and to be a unit.
Hebrews 10:24-25
We are to stimulate one another to love and good deeds. We need encouragement - that's why some of us are here on this forum because we find learning and encouragement. The learning, however, must be backed up by a mainline church that has theologians that can properly understand the bible. We each can understand it in our own way and God can also use it to speak to us individually - but as a Christian Church, or Body of Christ, we should be instructed by persons who know much more than we ever will.

Verse 25 tells us not to forsake the assembling of ourselves. The early Christians gathered together at least once a week to hear the word, to praise God and to share communion. Love wants to be shared.

 

[GodsGrace]

The sin of the world. Its all. He could have said the sins of this and the sins of that, but its all in one. The sin of the world.

"Behold, the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world."

"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."

People are just going through the judgement because the Law has found them guilty, and when the truth comes they will understand they acturally rejected Christ and had faith in the Law, and not Christ, they won't believe that whole time they have been under satan.
The first thing people do at repentance is reject Christ and start to follow the Law and commandments.

Have you considered the difference between SIN and SINS?

TwinC is correct: SIN is the sin committed by Adam and Eve. It is also called Original Sin, it can also be said that this sin is the Sin Nature.
SINS, instead, are those acts we commit every day that displease God. It can be said that it is missing the mark, disobeying God.

And the difference between the Law and Grace?
Does Grace abolish the Law?
See Romans 8:1-13

And which Law are we speaking of. Was there only ONE Law in Israel or were there three Laws?
There were three Laws to follow in Israel. The Ceremonial Law, the Civil Law and the Moral Law. Jesus abolished the Ceremonial and Civil Law, but He did not abolish the Moral Law, by His own words...
Mathew 5:17-20

In fact, He raised the Moral Law to a new level, saying that if we sin in our heart, we have already sinned.
Mathew 5:27-28

So then, it must be asked: What is the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.
Please look into this because if we still must follow the Law, then what has changed?

 

[Corn Pop]

Kiwidan, if by spirit of Elijah in John, you understand that John was Elijah, then, no, John the Baptist was John the Baptist. The power of Elijah was in John. In these modern times we sometimes say that someone is in the "spirit" of someone else. This does not mean they are the other person.

Malachi 4:5 says that God will send Elijah before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord.
When is the great and terrible day of the Lord? It has not come yet. It's the end of the world when all will be judged - who, the saved, by Jesus and the unsaved at the Great White Throne Judgement.
2 Corinthians 5:10
Revelation 20:11-15

Since the great and terrible day of the Lord has not come yet, we must believe that neither has Elijah come.

The scriptures and Jesus clearly says it was the end of the world with Christ, the law and Prophets were up to John the Baptist, Christ fullfilled all things, and it was the great and dreadful day of the Lord. The old heaven and earth passed away on the Cross. Its what scripture says.

Jesus even said this generation would not pass until all things are fullfilled. Christ fullfilled everything and the day is at hand. Its now, not the future.

I will post all the scriptures to prove it if you want.

 

[Corn Pop]

Even just this one of the top of my head.

"For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

Who believes it. No one. Christ failed and did not appear once at the end of the world to put away sin, there still waiting for the end of the world and for sin to be put away right?

See, people don't believe in Christ and dont believe scripture because they follow doctrine.

 

[GodsGrace]

it seems many Christians go from the frying pan into the fire viz from false humility to proud born again new creation sinless and saved but the commandments are for the proud and the gospel for the humble - twinc

As is apparent,
The commandments are for everyone
The gospel is for everyone.

 

[GodsGrace]

The scriptures and Jesus clearly says it was the end of the world with Christ, the law and Prophets were up to John the Baptist, Christ fullfilled all things, and it was the great and dreadful day of the Lord. The old heaven and earth passed away on the Cross. Its what scripture says.

Jesus even said this generation would not pass until all things are fullfilled. Christ fullfilled everything and the day is at hand. Its now, not the future.

I will post all the scriptures to prove it if you want.

No Kiwidan.
That won't be necessary.

Unless you want to discuss a particular scripture. I'd be willing to.
Are you telling me the end of the world has already come?

 

[Corn Pop]

No Kiwidan.
That won't be necessary.

Unless you want to discuss a particular scripture. I'd be willing to.
Are you telling me the end of the world has already come?

Unless people think Jesus failed they are still waiting for the end of the world and sin to be put away. Thats what people believe right. There waiting for the end of the world and for sin to be put away because obviously they believe Christ failed on the cross.

The old heaven and earth passed away on the Cross and he ushered in the new heaven and earth, the kingdom is at hand. Old covenant passed away, new covenant ushered in.

Read this one scripture. There is more I can post but just read this one and who believes it?. Or are they still waiting for Christ to come once at the end of the world and put away sin?, because they follow doctrine.

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

So he appeared once at the end of the world and put away sin as it says. But no, people don't believe it, still waiting, don't believe in Christ and his works. Rejected Christ and are waiting for there savior to come at the end of the world and put away sin.

Why do you think Jesus said people will come in his name saying 'the time is near' and dont believe them.

People have been waiting 2000 years for his return and they can wait another 50000 years it makes no difference. The time is never near, the time was fullfilled for those who have ears to hear and the time is now.