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kiwidan said:
God sees everything is very good then Opps, man falls into death/hades/ hell and needs a helping hand out.
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Jesus said, in Luke 16, that there is a great chasm between those in anguish and those in comfort - after physical death.

He said there is no way for one to cross over to the other once they are there. God fixed this chasm to be such. So it is impossible for Jesus to bring someone out of the anguish of hell. Gods justice would not allow it.
 
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Nathan said:
Jesus said, in Luke 16, that there is a great chasm between those in anguish and those in comfort - after physical death.

He said there is no way for one to cross over to the other once they are there. God fixed this chasm to be such. So it is impossible for Jesus to bring someone out of the anguish of hell. Gods justice would not allow it.
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I dont take parables literally.

Thats the problem within christianity, it takes everything out of context.
 
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kiwidan said:
I dont take parables literally.

Thats the problem with christianity, its takes everything out of context and spreads fear. Jesus does not spread fear.

If i dont believe or am a perfect saint, or people don't believe they burn in hell for eternity. Thats terror. Thats not Christ.

Christ come to take away the sin of the world and save the world and give light. His return is to bring in everlasting salvation to all who are waiting for it and, the blind are not guilty as Christ said.
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Where does it say this is a parable? What other, known parables, did Jesus ever use people's names?

Do you not fear God?
 
No, I don't fear God because I dont fear Jesus. Only living under a Law that condemns brings guilt and fear.
 
kiwidan said:
No, I don't fear God because I dont fear Jesus. Only living under a Law that condemns brings guilt and fear.
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Do you know what the Bible says about those who do not fear God?

Is there something you read in the Bible that says the fear of God is bad?
 
The Fire.

"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth."

"Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent."
 
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Do you know what the Bible says about those who do not fear God?

Is there something you read in the Bible that says the fear of God is bad?
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Jesus said be of good cheer, do not be afraid, I am your friend. Jesus said everything he spoke was from the Father and whoever believes his words believes the Father.

Although Jesus might have been talking directly to his diciples, im guessing the same applys to anyone who wants to believe him, as he will never turn away anyone who his Father draws to him, anyone who turns to him is a friend of the Father. Why should the Father or Jesus be feared?

Jesus said Yes you call me Lord but i call you my friends.

"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love."

People worry to much about there sin that stops them from being perfected in Love. Jesus took the sin of the world away so people can Love. How can people love when they fear God and are to worried about there sin. I think that's lack of belief in Christ.
 
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kiwidan said:
Jesus said be of good cheer, do not be afraid, I am your friend. Jesus said everything he spoke was from the Father and whoever believes his words believes the Father.

Although Jesus might have been talking directly to his diciples, im guessing the same applys to anyone who wants to believe him, as he will never turn away anyone who his Father draws to him, anyone who turns to him is a friend of the Father. Why should the Father or Jesus be feared?

Jesus said Yes you call me Lord but i call you my friends.

"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love."

People worry to much about there sin that stops them from being perfected in Love. Jesus took the sin of the world away so people can Love. How can people love when they fear God and are to worried about there sin. I think that's lack of belief in Christ.
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Do you believe that David was a man after God's own heart?
 
Only guilty of sin if the conscience is guilty and the only think that brings guilt is knowing the law and no one can hold it because its a curse. Thats why they all feared God and were miserable bound in a ball and chain.

As Christ said the blind have no sin held against them.

If people love one another they love God. Its as simple as that. You do good to others you do good to God and have a clear conscience.
 
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Jesus got on his knees and washed his diciples feet. Never in the history of mankind would any King ever get on there feet having so much power at will and wash the dirtiest of feet, he even washed the devils feet.

Jesus is the true King. No one except who is born of God could do that.
 
kiwidan said:
Only guilty of sin if the conscience is guilty and the only think that brings guilt is knowing the law and no one can hold it because its a curse. Thats why they all feared God and were miserable bound in a ball and chain.

As Christ said the blind have no sin held against them.

If people love one another they love God. Its as simple as that. You do good to others you do good to God and have a clear conscience.
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Hi Kiwidan,
I used to teach kids up to preteen.
I used to teach them that we cannot trust our conscience.
Would you agree with this?
Why or why not?

Kids don't know or care about the Law as we understand it.
So do they still have a guilty conscience at times?
Why?

And do they NOT have a guilty conscience when in fact they should?
Why?

Think about this. It's interesting.

Is the Law only for Christians? Is it for everyone? Is there a law for everyone?
Where does it come from?
 
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