The "Left Behind" narrative seems unbiblical

[for_his_glory]

What do you think 1000 years signifies?

Like I said, I only see it as a symbolic number not literal. When Christ returns that door of God's salvation is closed forever as final judgement has come and no second chances are given. It is not going to take another 1000 literal years to make an end to everything on this present earth before God ushers down the New Jerusalem. At the time of His return those who are His own, alive and in their grave, will be immediately caught up to Him as he fights the final battle of Armageddon. The last day is the last day when all is finished here on earth.

(IMO) a 1000 years is a figurative number, not a literal number. It is figurative like the numbering in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.)

 

[tdidymas]

Why would any Christian halfway around the world pay any attention at all to what a Jewish preacher giving instructions to Jewish worshipers from a Jewish building of worship says ?
I'd bet you are not even aware of what goes on in the Jewish Synagogue that is nearest to your location right now let alone on the other side of the planet ?
Unless of course you are Jewish ?

Most Christians I know are concerned about current events, especially the ones that are prophesied.

 

[tdidymas]

Like I said, I only see it as a symbolic number not literal. When Christ returns that door of God's salvation is closed forever as final judgement has come and no second chances are given. It is not going to take another 1000 literal years to make an end to everything on this present earth before God ushers down the New Jerusalem. At the time of His return those who are His own, alive and in their grave, will be immediately caught up to Him as he fights the final battle of Armageddon. The last day is the last day when all is finished here on earth.

(IMO) a 1000 years is a figurative number, not a literal number. It is figurative like the numbering in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.)

Figurative numbers and expressions have to mean something. It's there for a reason.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Most Christians I know are concerned about current events, especially the ones that are prophesied.

So what will be the prophesied Spiritual connection between the Christain in Chicago to Jewish Temple worshipers, and A Jewish religious leader in Jerusalem happening on the other side of the planet ?

 

[Ezekiel]

Are you saying you think that today's post-trib Christians are not aware that the Tribulation starts the clock ticking of Lord's return at the end of it ?

Not at all for they should be ready, but the millions that believe they will escape all these things and have not prayed about these things as Jesus said, will then turn around cry out to God because of it. They should have prayed.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Not at all for they should be ready, but the millions that believe they will escape all these things and have not prayed about these things as Jesus said, will then turn around cry out to God because of it. They should have prayed.

The scripture only describes heathen cursing God , not believers in the time of Jacob's trouble.

 

[for_his_glory]

Figurative numbers and expressions have to mean something. It's there for a reason.

Just exactly what will be the purpose of a literal 1000 years here on this present earth after Jesus returns in the air and we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air?

 

[for_his_glory]

When the son of perdition takes his literal seat in the holy place of Jerusalem Jesus warned us to flee as He has a place prepared for us wherever we go to, Matthew 24:15-21; Rev 12:14.

God's protection is absolute to those who escape into the wilderness and trust in Christ to help meet their needs. Just as God told Moses to strike the rock for fresh water, Exodus 17:1-7, and sending manna down from heaven and providing Quail for meat, Exodus 16, so will be the same in the end of days, Philippians 4:19.

Nut shell scenario of what will happen during the first six trumpets of Rev Chapter 8-11 that leads up to the seventh trumpet and the events of Chapter 13 with the beast out of the sea and out of the earth.

God’s wrath is poured out into the world as chastisements for disobedience, but also a warning that man needs to repent and turn back to God before the door of salvation is closed forever when Christ returns.

Hail and fire can be likened unto meteors that fall from the sky. A third of the trees and all the green grass are burned up which makes a third part of the world with a shortage of oxygen in the air that is created from the carbon dioxide from the trees and living plants. Seeing that this is Global the intense fire and smoke from all the trees and grass burning can travel for miles causing much more damage throughout the nations. The trees that produce various healthy foods for our well being will become scarce. The green grasses that would probably include crops of wheat, barley, corn and so forth will be destroyed causing a shortage in food. The animals we depend on as a food source will also die as they are left without vegetation they need to live on.

This great mountain burning with fire could be another meteor or even a series of meteors sent down from heaven at one time, but on an extremely larger scale as the third part of the sea is destroyed along with sea life and the third part of the ships that sit in it. The third part of the sea turned to blood by reason of all the animal life that is killed and those men, women and children who are on these ships that are destroyed. Take into consideration the disease that would spread from all the rotted sea life that is rotting away washing up on the shore and the flesh of those who were burned along with the ships.

These ships will more than likely be types of fuel tankers, merchant, fishing and luxury cruises ships traveling the waters. With the third of these ships being destroyed means a third part of the world’s fuel and food supply would be destroyed. There is only one ocean, but divided by four regions as being the Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, Arctic Ocean, and the Indian Ocean. This would be like the four corners of the earth as being North, South, East and West. The only difference between the ocean and the sea is that the ocean is much larger and feeds into the 108 seas around the world that also flow into our lakes and streams that provide us with fresh drinking water and other sources of food.

With the third part of the sun, moon and stars being darkened this will affect mans source of electricity and heat that is vital to keep a certain degree of the earth warm, and generated power in homes, hospitals and manufacturing plants including nuclear reactors.

Agriculture and navigation would be hard pressed as it takes the solar power from the sun to run the solar cells that produces the energy needed to run farming machinery and trucks to take the produce to manufacturing plants where the produce is then distributed to market.

Vehicles such as cars, ambulances, planes, trains and the list goes on need an energy source from the sun in order to run their engines. The darkness of the third part of the day would be roughly around eight hours of daylight being lost and total darkness of night as the moon and stars are illuminated by the sun at night. A flashlight would be useless to see in the dark as it needs energy from the sun to run the battery that turns the light on.

This much darkness would cause people to panic in the streets creating chaos as the love of many will wax cold, Matthew 24:12. Riots would break out causing looting and lose of life as those who have not will do anything in desperation to take from those who have much. IMO Marshal law will be enforced as we see history repeat itself with many Christians taken captive that did not flee and killed as they refuse to denounce Christ and take the mark. They will also die a martyr's death, Rev 6:9-11, especially vs. 11. Also we are not to fear what man can do to us, Matthew 10:28.

This is where the mark of the beast comes in during the seventh trumpet as this NWO is a Luciferian system of economics, political, military, educational and false religious power that gives power to the beast out of the earth being the son of perdition. By lying signs and wonders the beast will deceive the nations (people) into taking its mark. IMO I think the mark is the thoughts of our mind and the actions of our hands reaching out to this beast that promises peace, safety and provision as many will bow down and worship this beast who claims to be God.

After the 3 1/2 years of this Luciferian reign on earth that will try and wear out the saints then every eye will see Christ coming in the clouds with His army of angels that are then sent out to gather those saints who are alive at His coming and those who sleep in their graves. We are gathered up to the clouds as we receive our new glorified bodies in order to meet Jesus in the air. From the air He destroys the beast and false prophet by the brightness of His coming only speaking their destruction casting them into the lake of fire. Satan is bound for a time as Jesus sets out to destroy all the nations that followed after the beast. Satan is then released in a final attempt to destroy the saints as he sends his angels out to surround the camp of the saints, but the angels are consumed by fire and Satan cast into the lake of fire. Then comes God's great white throne judgment and the books are opened and all are judged. Then this present heaven and earth are burned up and made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord forever.

 

[Ezekiel]

The scripture only describes heathen cursing God , not believers in the time of Jacob's trouble.

Many forget to study Jesus words. Rule 1, what did Jesus say.

First listed church.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Second listed church.
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Third church listed.
2 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Fourth church listed.
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Fifth church listed.
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

Seventh church listed.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Judgement comes to the whole world. Again we must pray that we may counted worthy.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Judgement comes to the whole world. Again we must pray that we may counted worthy.

You said believers have not been praying for "escape" from His Wrath & judgement .

Not at all for they should be ready, but the millions that believe they will escape all these things and have not prayed about these things as Jesus said, will then turn around cry out to God because of it. They should have prayed.

Are you saying in your theology that God has marked Christians who should have prayed to escape His Wrath & judgement to experience His Wrath and Judgement because they did not pray to escape His Wrath and Judgement ?

 

[tdidymas]

So what will be the prophesied Spiritual connection between the Christain in Chicago to Jewish Temple worshipers, and A Jewish religious leader in Jerusalem happening on the other side of the planet ?

Are you just trying to be argumentative? It seems so, since my answer to your previous question is obvious.

 

[tdidymas]

Just exactly what will be the purpose of a literal 1000 years here on this present earth after Jesus returns in the air and we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air?

I answered this question days ago. MANY SONS.

 

[Consecrated Life]

You said believers have not been praying for "escape" from His Wrath & judgement .

Are you saying in your theology that God has marked Christians who should have prayed to escape His Wrath & judgement to experience His Wrath and Judgement because they did not pray to escape His Wrath and Judgement ?

Are you just trying to be argumentative? It seems so, since my answer to your previous question is obvious.

You have not elaborated on your allegation that Christians who have failed to pray for "escape form the tribulation" deserve an extra measure of the wrath and judgement of God ?

Not at all for they should be ready, but the millions that believe they will escape all these things and have not prayed about these things as Jesus said, will then turn around cry out to God because of it. They should have prayed.

Do you have a scripture saying specifically that Christians failed to pray for escape tribulation ?
How am I able to know even before you concoct an obfuscation of an answer that you have no scripture to back up your claim of Christians who failed to pray for escape from tribulation suffering extra wrath & judgement from God ?

 

[for_his_glory]

I answered this question days ago. MANY SONS.

Another question.

When Christ returns and we are at that time changed into our new glorified bodies and then caught up to meet Him in the air, then who is going to be left here on earth to witness and testify of Christ to those who have been left behind for another literal 1000 years? And don't forget when we are caught up to Christ the Holy Spirit is also taken up and goes back to God.

 

[tdidymas]

You have not elaborated on your allegation that Christians who have failed to pray for "escape form the tribulation" deserve an extra measure of the wrath and judgement of God ?

I did not say what you claimed, you are confusing me with someone else.

 

[tdidymas]

Another question.

When Christ returns and we are at that time changed into our new glorified bodies and then caught up to meet Him in the air, then who is going to be left here on earth to witness and testify of Christ to those who have been left behind for another literal 1000 years? And don't forget when we are caught up to Christ the Holy Spirit is also taken up and goes back to God.

Someone else has explained that going up in the air to meet the Lord is like a procession of people going out to greet an arriving king; they then go together into the city. Therefore, an objection posed that going up then coming down doesn't make sense - is an invalid objection. Therefore, an argument based on silence is not valid. It should not be assumed that Jesus and the resurrected saints will not come to earth to reign for 1000 years. Scripture says He will rule in Zion with a rod of iron (Ps. 2). Why then isn't a literal 1000 year reign of Christ a feasible idea?

 

[for_his_glory]

Someone else has explained that going up in the air to meet the Lord is like a procession of people going out to greet an arriving king; they then go together into the city. Therefore, an objection posed that going up then coming down doesn't make sense - is an invalid objection. Therefore, an argument based on silence is not valid. It should not be assumed that Jesus and the resurrected saints will not come to earth to reign for 1000 years. Scripture says He will rule in Zion with a rod of iron (Ps. 2). Why then isn't a literal 1000 year reign of Christ a feasible idea?

When I read and put together Matthew 24:29-31; John 5:28-29, 6:40; Rev 17-18; Rev 19:11-21; Rev 20:1-10; Rev 21 speaking of the last day, as Christ only returns once, we can not put a time limit on that day as a 24 hour day, or weeks and years, but to know scripture says last day. At that time the whole body of Christ, dead and alive at His coming, will be changed in a twinkling of an eye and then all at one time, no procession, will be caught up in the clouds to meet him in the air, 1Corinthians 15:51-58; 1Thessalonians 4:13-18.

I have already explained my understanding of what some believe is a literal 1000 years as it makes no sense to be here on this present earth after the sounding of the seventh trumpet that begins the 3 1/2 years of the son of perdition's reign here on earth. After the 3 1/2 years Christ returns on the last day after all that have taken the mark of this beast then the kingdoms of this world will have become the Kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever, Rev 11:15-19.

Jesus will rule with a rod of iron over the nations that day that as God makes His enemies a footstool for His feet. Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats and final judgement comes and the goats are cast into the lake of fire prepared for the beast and the false prophet. Satan is bound for a time as he can not interfere with with Jesus ruling over the nations and then with everything finished he will be set loose to gather all the nations to fight against Christ and all that are with Him as Satan sends out his army to compass the camp of the saints that are with Christ, but God will then send fire down from heaven to consume those who oppose God and reject Jesus as with Satan they are all judged and cast into the lake of fire.

 

[tdidymas]

When I read and put together Matthew 24:29-31; John 5:28-29, 6:40; Rev 17-18; Rev 19:11-21; Rev 20:1-10; Rev 21 speaking of the last day, as Christ only returns once, we can not put a time limit on that day as a 24 hour day, or weeks and years, but to know scripture says last day. At that time the whole body of Christ, dead and alive at His coming, will be changed in a twinkling of an eye and then all at one time, no procession, will be caught up in the clouds to meet him in the air, 1Corinthians 15:51-58; 1Thessalonians 4:13-18.

"caught up in the cloud to meet him in the air" is the procession.

I have already explained my understanding of what some believe is a literal 1000 years as it makes no sense to be here on this present earth after the sounding of the seventh trumpet that begins the 3 1/2 years of the son of perdition's reign here on earth. After the 3 1/2 years Christ returns on the last day after all that have taken the mark of this beast then the kingdoms of this world will have become the Kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever, Rev 11:15-19.

Jesus will rule with a rod of iron over the nations that day that as God makes His enemies a footstool for His feet. Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats and final judgement comes and the goats are cast into the lake of fire prepared for the beast and the false prophet. Satan is bound for a time as he can not interfere with with Jesus ruling over the nations and then with everything finished he will be set loose to gather all the nations to fight against Christ and all that are with Him as Satan sends out his army to compass the camp of the saints that are with Christ, but God will then send fire down from heaven to consume those who oppose God and reject Jesus as with Satan they are all judged and cast into the lake of fire.

Ps. 2 says the Messiah's throne is in Zion. Promises in the Messiah's reign says that the nations will come to Jerusalem to worship (such as Zech. 14:16, and others). What then do you do with these prophecies which have not yet been fulfilled?

 

[for_his_glory]

"caught up in the cloud to meet him in the air" is the procession.

Ps. 2 says the Messiah's throne is in Zion. Promises in the Messiah's reign says that the nations will come to Jerusalem to worship (such as Zech. 14:16, and others). What then do you do with these prophecies which have not yet been fulfilled?

I've given my full understanding and have no more to give. I'm not saying I am right or wrong, but this is how I understand that there is no pretrib, or a literal 1000 years. One thing though, it has nothing to do with our salvation as long as we are prepared for His return.