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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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The Life Christ Lived...
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Christ_empowered
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wasn't he a carpenter?
Kidron
Member
Yes, God was a carpenter, among other things.
Other things would include designing and building and controlling the universe.
Creating humanity as well as the humans.
He's also pretty good with art.....such as designing sunsets, and creating flowers, and then of course he created ALL the colors of found in nature as well as creating 2 types of "nature".
Human, and non.
God paints the colors of LIFE on the Palate of original nothingness and it becomes alive for all humans to enjoy.
We are made in his "image", in that we are designed to like what he likes and to live forever.
So, the reason you enjoy color and sound and so forth, is because God designed you to enjoy what he enjoyed creating to enjoy.
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Jesus was a prophet.
Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
Mar 6:4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
Jesus was a prophet.
Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
Mar 6:4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
Jethro Bodine
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I think that is the implication we are to draw from the fact that his father, that is, Joseph, was a carpenter--Jesus, the son, following in his father's trade. Which is fitting...
"And Jesus said...upon this rock I will build My church" (Matthew 16:17-18 NASB)
"...just as Moses was faithful in all God's house. Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself." (Hebrews 3:2-3 NIV)
Jesus was a healer.
He offered healing for free to the entire human race.
Edward
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Jesus was a man of many talents. He was a Carpenter. He was a Prophet and Healer also as far as that goes. He was about His Fathers business too. It sounds like He didn't have much idle time when He was here. But being a man, He worked too, like all men and Hid trade was Carpentry. I'm guessing that perhaps he began learning the trade ~13-15 years of age? If He didn't start His ministry until He was 30 then He probably had a good 15 years in the trade. I bet He made some nice furniture!
He made nice trees.
He made nice trees.
Classik
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Interesting responses!
however there doenst seem to be any monetary value/earning attached to all of these, (if they are really to be termed occupation): healer, preacher etc.
Perhaps the only time real money was involved was when HE helped the dad in The carpentry work.
My job is to do my Father's Will. Job = responsibility. This doesnt seem to be occupation, by default definition - today. (in that money's involved, and over what one does for a living)
so, no one would go this Christ way if Christ did a no-money-making occupation. Perhaps only very few can. And that is why members of a church should ALWAYS thrive to support and provide for their pastors. Christ might have rejected such offers, maybe.
Little wonder the full-time ministry thing is dying away - when most pastors today need to work to make money.
however there doenst seem to be any monetary value/earning attached to all of these, (if they are really to be termed occupation): healer, preacher etc.
Perhaps the only time real money was involved was when HE helped the dad in The carpentry work.
My job is to do my Father's Will. Job = responsibility. This doesnt seem to be occupation, by default definition - today. (in that money's involved, and over what one does for a living)
so, no one would go this Christ way if Christ did a no-money-making occupation. Perhaps only very few can. And that is why members of a church should ALWAYS thrive to support and provide for their pastors. Christ might have rejected such offers, maybe.
Little wonder the full-time ministry thing is dying away - when most pastors today need to work to make money.
Deborah13
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A pastor has to live within the means of his parishioners. I personally don't believe the pastor should be paid less or more than the income of the average parishioner in his church.
Sometimes pastors need or want more than their church can provide.
If the pastor is doing his own job and letting the elders do theirs, he will likely have time to pursue other avenues of income, such as writing books or a part-time job, to supplement his income.
Edward
2024 Supporter
Remember when Jesus stayed behind in that town and His parents had left and then had to come back to get Him and they inquired of Him as to why He stayed behind to which He replied, I must be about my Fathers business...?
His work ethic is showing here already, at 12 years old. :yes
His work ethic is showing here already, at 12 years old. :yes
Rob Cuse
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Here's an interesting read, Acts 4:32-37 KJV. The beginnings of the new testament church, what great faith! Also one of my favorite chapters in the Holy Bible, John 17 KJV. Just some interesting reads. I personally feel the Holy Spirit is leading the entire body to rethink our own personal economy. Of course this is just my humble opinion. There also is alot of other real dynamics to be considered as well. This is just food for thought.
I get the idea that general consensus was that until Jesus started His ministry he was a carpenter. I find this reasonable. If Jesus came to Earth to live as a human, it is only reasonable to assume that He had a job and lived as the other humans did until he started His ministry at age 30.
During His ministry, we see that He wandered around a lot and didn't really settle down anywhere. That doesn't mean He lived like that beforehand.
During His ministry, we see that He wandered around a lot and didn't really settle down anywhere. That doesn't mean He lived like that beforehand.
Classik
Member
This sounds right. But what should a pastor of a less-than-40-members church do? That is to say he should forget the full-time stuff...and go find another meanse to survive? Not saying the congregation should empty their pockets for the pastor - however I see this as a discouragement to full-time service. The pastor will starve
Classik
Member
Yea. So what is the Father's business in the scenario? I doubt if it was about jobs
Jethro Bodine
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40 members probably would not demand a full time schedule, IMO. But I can only guess since I don't have the 'been there, done that' T-shirt for that yet.
Deborah13
Member
He should do whatever the Lord puts on his heart to do.
Our pastor, his wife and two teens came here 1 1/2 ago. They knew exactly what they were getting into by taking over a mission church, that had been closed for a year. They get a small stipend from the denomination. The church membership at the time of closure had diminished to about 10 people. All of them were retired poor, working poor, or just getting by. They knew they would have to work outside the church but they came anyway because the Lord told them to.
That church is growing. A few that left have returned and new people are coming. Some of them have more means. They and the church is being blessed because of that pastor and his wife's obedience to the Lord.